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2017 Closer Thread: Bad Day To Be A Blake

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Gomez goes boom!

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Not a closer but Chris Devenski :wub:

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Tigers sent down Rondon and called up Joe Jimenez.

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Do we think Neris will be the guy?

In a league with very limited transactions, so would like to get this right.  Hasn't Benoit been pretty not good when asked to be a closer or am I just remembering his terrible Ranger days?

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28 minutes ago, scoobus said:

Do we think Neris will be the guy?

In a league with very limited transactions, so would like to get this right.  Hasn't Benoit been pretty not good when asked to be a closer or am I just remembering his terrible Ranger days?

I was going to make a joke about Benoit killing it but not sure how many will get the reference....

I think both are good but it sounds like Neris will get the first shot. He's young (23 I think) and with the closer spot being such a volatile position, we might see Benoit close at some point this season.

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[has benoit]

I would think they may want to go with him to build some artificial trade value. 

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Not sure why the Phillies wouldn't give the spot to Neris.  He's not that young - will be 28 this year, but Benoit is damn near 40 and has been just an arm the past 10 years.  Not sure how much trade value they could build into a 39 year old reliever making 7.5 million who is what he is.

I grabbed Neris - not sure if I had limited transactions I would waste one on him, as there will be plenty of other situations to be settled/changed later on in the year, but if nothing else, Neris's K ratio's are pretty strong.

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13 minutes ago, guru_007 said:

Not sure why the Phillies wouldn't give the spot to Neris.  He's not that young - will be 28 this year, but Benoit is damn near 40 and has been just an arm the past 10 years.  Not sure how much trade value they could build into a 39 year old reliever making 7.5 million who is what he is.

I grabbed Neris - not sure if I had limited transactions I would waste one on him, as there will be plenty of other situations to be settled/changed later on in the year, but if nothing else, Neris's K ratio's are pretty strong.

Benoit has an ERA of 2.68 and a 1.06 WHIP, a K rate north of 9 per. over the last decade and that's just an arm?

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9 minutes ago, Limp Ditka said:

Benoit has an ERA of 2.68 and a 1.06 WHIP, a K rate north of 9 per. over the last decade and that's just an arm?

for rotosserie baseball purposes, yes.  5 wins and 7 saves per year with about 60 k's over 55 innings per year is just an arm.  And now it's a 39 year old arm.  Perhaps he is a better real pitcher than roto pitcher, but I could care less.

Neris's upside is much higher.

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45 minutes ago, eoMMan said:

 

I think both are good but it sounds like Neris will get the first shot. He's young (23 I think) 

Close. Almost 28

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21 minutes ago, guru_007 said:

for rotosserie baseball purposes, yes.  5 wins and 7 saves per year with about 60 k's over 55 innings per year is just an arm.  And now it's a 39 year old arm.  Perhaps he is a better real pitcher than roto pitcher, but I could care less.

Neris's upside is much higher.

You know there are roto leagues out there that count holds? And that this guy is #2 in career holds and #1 over the last decade?

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1 hour ago, guru_007 said:

Not sure why the Phillies wouldn't give the spot to Neris.  He's not that young - will be 28 this year, but Benoit is damn near 40 and has been just an arm the past 10 years.  Not sure how much trade value they could build into a 39 year old reliever making 7.5 million who is what he is.

I initially thought it was going to be Benoit, but I think I agree with this now. 

Neris is actually pretty good. Will be interesting to see if the Phils shop him come summer or if he's actually in their long-term plans. 

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1 hour ago, guru_007 said:

for rotosserie baseball purposes, yes.  5 wins and 7 saves per year with about 60 k's over 55 innings per year is just an arm.  And now it's a 39 year old arm.  Perhaps he is a better real pitcher than roto pitcher, but I could care less.

Neris's upside is much higher.

Lol at thinking baseball teams care about your wins and saves stat. 

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Not sure where I said a baseball team cared about my wins and saves stats.  But he has made over 700 appearances in his career for 7 teams and he has compiled a grand total of 51 saves, I guess the precedent has been set that no other team has had much faith in him as their solution as the closer.

Who knows, maybe something will change and the Phillies will give him a shot.  Doubt it.

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4 minutes ago, guru_007 said:

Not sure where I said a baseball team cared about my wins and saves stats. 

You were literally talking about the Phillies thought process in making the decision. 

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You know it's in Philadelphia's best interest to keep Neris in the 8th for arbitration purposes, right?

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14 minutes ago, Fat Drunk and Stupid said:

You know it's in Philadelphia's best interest to keep Neris in the 8th for arbitration purposes, right?

Yeah I'm thinking the same thing.  Plus Neris can pitch multiple innings and they are paying Benoit a pretty penny.  Seems like a share situation IMO. 

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Benoit it is!

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1 hour ago, Fat Drunk and Stupid said:

You know it's in Philadelphia's best interest to keep Neris in the 8th for arbitration purposes, right? make Neris the closer and then trade him for awesome prospects like they did with Ken Giles.

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Bobmel officially clarified the Oaklands' closer situation as a two man lefty/righty committee of Doolittle and Casilla.  That seems reasonable unless you're a Madson owner.

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12 hours ago, Eephus said:

Bobmel officially clarified the Oaklands' closer situation as a two man lefty/righty committee of Doolittle and Casilla.  That seems reasonable unless you're a Madson owner.

I own Casilla in my H2H league, and Doolittle is available....and I think Doolittle is exponentially better...and I'm holding Casilla.  #### that whole thing. :bye:

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On 4/5/2017 at 11:15 PM, Doctor Detroit said:
On 4/3/2017 at 10:25 PM, Doctor Detroit said:

Sam Dyson won't make it through the month as the Rangers closer right?  Oof, he's bad. 

So bad

Really bad. 

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Roster Resource has a pretty good breakdown of reliever hierarchy / recent usage here

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Looks like Bush won't be the immediate answer in Texas.

 

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Matt Bush has returned to Texas for an examination of the AC joint in his right shoulder.

Bush came down with some shoulder soreness after throwing 29 pitches in an appearance Sunday versus the Athletics. He'll get an injection back in Arlington and will be sidelined for at least a couple of days. Texas is having all kinds of bullpen problems at the moment, with Sam Dyson and Jeremy Jeffress both struggling and Bush now possibly facing an extended absence.

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Limp Ditka said:

Looks like Bush won't be the immediate answer in Texas.

 

 

this aint fair. decided to low-pri closers in my big draft. took neris and bush as late-rounders, to go with a mid-rd established closer or two. guessed ab right on who'd fall apart first and now i get the reward from neither?! i feel like i want to die. good bye -

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don't die, wikkid

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On 4/3/2017 at 7:43 PM, Eephus said:

Tony Barnette

This is my dark horse in Texas.  Barnette tied Seung-hwan Oh as the SV leader in the Japan Central League in 2015.

There's a joke somewhere about doing it for the Swallows but I couldn't make it work.

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29 minutes ago, Eephus said:

This is my dark horse in Texas.  Barnette tied Seung-hwan Oh as the SV leader in the Japan Central League in 2015.

There's a joke somewhere about doing it for the Swallows but I couldn't make it work.

@Doctor Detroit to the red curtesy phone 

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is Yakult the official sound for when one tries to swallow and can't?

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See Rosenthal get the 8th, go pick him up in my holds league right after he gets first out. Proceeds to give up, as of now, 3 straight hits

:mellow: 

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OK who had Jose Leclerc getting the next SV for Texas?

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With Familia coming back next week I need to get rid of Reed before Monday's games begin at 11AM (in a weekly league). Is Bedrosian the man in LAA with Street and Bailey on the DL?

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2 minutes ago, Swing 51 said:

With Familia coming back next week I need to get rid of Reed before Monday's games begin at 11AM (in a weekly league). Is Bedrosian the man in LAA with Street and Bailey on the DL?

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How much longer will Treinen keep the job?   Oof.

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