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Where should my wife and I move? (1 Viewer)

Future home of Zen and MrsZen?

  • Cincinnati, OH

    Votes: 10 10.4%
  • San Diego, CA

    Votes: 38 39.6%
  • St. Louis, MO

    Votes: 4 4.2%
  • Stateline, NV (Lake Tahoe)

    Votes: 23 24.0%
  • Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL

    Votes: 12 12.5%
  • Other (please explain)

    Votes: 9 9.4%

  • Total voters
    96

ZenMaster

Footballguy
In honor of my 1000th post, I'm calling on the vast knowledge and expertise of the FFA to help my wife and I choose where to move in 2-3 years. We are currently considering 5 options but are open to others. Note that we are not obligated to abide by the results.  :D

Backstory: We currently live the suburbs north of Dallas and plan to move in 2019/2020. We will be in our mid-to-late 40s and have no children. We are budgeting as though we do not have to work but it's likely we'll do something part-time or maybe we'll stumble into a new career. We've allocated $700K for housing and expect to have ~$70K/year in income. We do not plan to have a mortgage wherever we end up.

Priorities (not in order of importance)

1) Poker - gotta have it, not optional and it can't be hours away. All the options on our list have poker close by.

2) Golf - there are golf courses everywhere. Some places are less expensive, some places have year-round golf due to the weather.

3) Cost of living - housing, taxes, etc.

4) Nature/walkability - these are sort of related. We initially started looking at Lake Tahoe because of the mountains/forests/lake but we realize that not everywhere has that kind of nature. We don't want to live in the suburbs. We'd love to live in a walkable neighborhood with shops, restaurants, activities nearby and while that's unlikely to be in a wooded/mountain area, having that sort of nature close by is important to us. The beach counts, too.

5) Employment - although we're planning so that we don't have to work, it's likely that we'll want part-time employment. If not, then volunteer opportunities for each of us.

6) Weather - sure, we'd love mild weather year-round but we also know there's a price for that.

7) Activities/Entertainment - music, sports, etc. What are we going to do with our time?

Areas under consideration (in alphabetical order)

1) Cincinnati, OH - I grew up in Ohio and my aunt/uncle + 2 cousins live in Cincinnati. My dad is only 3 hours away as well. There's a casino in Cincinnati plus more than a few golf courses. Cost of living is reasonable - we could find a great place downtown for well under our top-end budget. The Ohio River is nearby and there seems to be a lot of outdoor stuff to do in the area. It's also not too far from St. Louis where my wife has family.

2) San Diego, CA - this one was added to the list because of the weather. It seems like it's 80 degrees year-round there. Huge downside is the cost because $700K doesn't go far out there. Taxes also suck.  There's a poker room in Oceanside (north of SD). We'd give up some living space with a condo near the beach but there's only two of us so how much room do we really need? Tons of outdoor stuff and only a couple hours from LA.

3) St. Louis, MO - my wife's parents + a couple of siblings live in St. Louis. It's similar to Cincinnati for a lot of things - housing, cost of living, weather - but the Mississippi is definitely not as attractive as the Ohio River. Upside to St. Louis is that due to a separate tax on the residents, the zoo and other science/art-type activities are free. 

4) Stateline, NV (Lake Tahoe) - originally our first choice but we've decided to rethink and see if there's anywhere else of interest. It's beautiful there and outdoor activities year-round between skiiing/hiking/lake. We'd go with the NV side due to no state income tax and the property taxes are also quite low. It's really expensive, though - $700K seems to be where we'd end up for something we want. My wife is slightly nervous about the potential for large snowfall and driving around in it. There's poker and golf although not too many courses in the area and a couple are fairly expensive. Non-outdoor activities are somewhat limited with no sports teams (Reno has minor league baseball). 

5) Tampa/St. Pete, FL - recent addition to the list. Housing is reasonable, lots of golf courses, beaches. I haven't been to FL in a long time but I remember it's humid with lots of bugs. But there's the beach! No state income tax here either - but gators.

TLDR: My wife and I are planning to move from Dallas in 2-3 years. Where should we go?

 
If you are going to be playing poker in Oceanside anyway, that's not a bad place to be especially if you don't need to live right on the ocean.  Only downside is that it's a trek to downtown SD.

 
My ranking

Tampa
Tahoe
SD

I grew up in STL and lived in the Midwest for most my life.  If its a choice I am not going back.  I lived in Tampa for two years (14',15') and really enjoyed it.  It gets hot during the summer but have a pool and the beach is close so its ok.  Its a good size city but not too big or expensive.  I would definitely go back.

I feel like Tahoe would be just as good as Tampa if you prefer cold and snow to hot and humid.

SD is perfect weather, but cost of living my be prohibitive if you are planning on not working?

Good luck

 
If you're tired after this past winter... it's definitely time for you to leave...
Amen brother.. This past Winter was WEAK and I still hated it..   Wife with 20 years into teaching, four daughters, three still in school and a family business means I'm pretty much stuck here...

 
I just came back from Lake Tahoe....very beautiful area of the country but I would not want to drive around there. Also, Harvey's had the only poker room and it was dead. The dealer was saying that most people are simply playing in California now instead of driving to Tahoe. Keep this in mind. And Reno is probably a good 45 minutes to 1 hour away.

If you are considering Tampa, would you consider the Fort Lauderdale area? Tons of poker rooms in that area, great entertainment options, nice beaches, etc etc.

 
I just came back from Lake Tahoe....very beautiful area of the country but I would not want to drive around there. Also, Harvey's had the only poker room and it was dead. The dealer was saying that most people are simply playing in California now instead of driving to Tahoe. Keep this in mind. And Reno is probably a good 45 minutes to 1 hour away.

If you are considering Tampa, would you consider the Fort Lauderdale area? Tons of poker rooms in that area, great entertainment options, nice beaches, etc etc.
We're open to just about anywhere in Florida. I've been to Orlando for work a few times but haven't spent any time anywhere else. 

 
While you may save on taxes living in Nevada, it is a far drive to Tahoe and not nearly as beautiful.  Pay the taxes to wake up every morning while looking down at the lake and up to the mountains.

Seriously doubt you're going to find a decent condo in SD for $700k anywhere near the beach, and cost of living has got to be significantly higher than your other options.

Congrats - sounds like a fun future to plan.

 
Tough call. I've been to them all and SD would be the only place I'd want to live but I just wouldn't really want to live in California. Tampa if you can deal with the heat. We're in the same boat (no kids, early retirement) and will be heading to Boise this summer to check it out. Doesn't fit your gambling needs though, I think.

 
Could you get two smaller places for $350k each? 
We considered that - have a summer place and a winter place. That would allow us to live up on the mountain in Tahoe during the summer without having to deal with driving in the winter and we could have a winter place somewhere like Arizona or Florida. We're not sure if we want to start out that way, though. Since we may still want to work part-time, trying to do that in two places might be challenging. 

 
Was wondering why Cincy even made the list until the backstory. Born and raised so here's my two lincolns. TLDR: A good midwest city with a fair amount to offer.

Since you don't have kids necessitating a particular school district, $700K goes a LONG way in Cincy. SibcyCline.com is a local realtor website that I find easy to use to give you a feel.

Downtown has gone under a massive renovation, especially the OTR area (Over the Rhine). Use to be a VERY bad part of town- nightly shootings, drugs, etc. They've cleaned a lot up, but they basically just pushed it all over several blocks. I will not live in the city with my kids, especially OTR because of that (city schools are terrible). Coworkers have baught in at the ground level and are set to have a large win-fall when they sell. Look at areas like Mt Adams, Hyde Park, or maybe Ft Thomas in KY. 

Jack is the new Casino in town, and the one's just across the border in Indiana would be about an hour away.

Lots of golf options and one of the best locations for parks. 

Lots of businesses have headquarters here around the area as well.

The weather sucks, winters can be bitterly cold, and summers can feel like a sauna. Spring and fall are amazing, but I get the appeal of SD or Tampa.

 
Sonoma, CA (or surrounding areas of Glen Ellen, Kenwood, Santa Rosa)

1) Poker - Graton Casino & Resort (30 min away)

2) Golf - Plenty of public/private courses in Sonoma County 

3) Cost of living - depending on amenities and location, housing could run between 500k and 1M. it's CA, so taxes are pretty high, along w/ gas prices, food prices, etc., compared to other parts of the country

4) Nature/walkability - plenty of State Parks (e.g. Annadale & Sugar Loaf) right in Sonoma Valley. Sonoma (the town) is walkable, w/ restaurants, shops, wineries, bars. if you want to get more secluded, there's Forestville/Graton witch are a bit more remote (i.e. less population density, probably lower housing costs and properties come w/ some acreage). 3 hours to Tahoe, 1 hour to SF/East Bay, 3 hours to Monterey, 45 minutes to the Pacific Ocean. 

5) Employment - numerous PT jobs available, lots of volunteer work too (especially if you like animals)

6) Weather - Spring: can be a little wet in a normal year, temps usually between 70-80; Summer - typically dry and can get hot, temps between 80-100; Fall - best time of year, temps between 70 - 85, can rain; Winter - can get fairly cold and rain is common; temps between 40-60, very, very little chance of snow

7) Activities/Entertainment - wine & wine tasting; beer & beer tasting; SF is an hour away if you want "culture"; Sonoma has a "small-town" feel with weekly farmer's market, 4th of July Parade, film festival, Napa/Sonoma marathon, BottleRock Napa, etc.; Sonoma County is a big place with lots to explore

8) not to drag politics into anything, but Sonoma/NorCal is pretty liberal if that makes a difference

 
Was wondering why Cincy even made the list until the backstory. Born and raised so here's my two lincolns. TLDR: A good midwest city with a fair amount to offer.

Since you don't have kids necessitating a particular school district, $700K goes a LONG way in Cincy. SibcyCline.com is a local realtor website that I find easy to use to give you a feel.

Downtown has gone under a massive renovation, especially the OTR area (Over the Rhine). Use to be a VERY bad part of town- nightly shootings, drugs, etc. They've cleaned a lot up, but they basically just pushed it all over several blocks. I will not live in the city with my kids, especially OTR because of that (city schools are terrible). Coworkers have baught in at the ground level and are set to have a large win-fall when they sell. Look at areas like Mt Adams, Hyde Park, or maybe Ft Thomas in KY. 

Jack is the new Casino in town, and the one's just across the border in Indiana would be about an hour away.

Lots of golf options and one of the best locations for parks. 

Lots of businesses have headquarters here around the area as well.

The weather sucks, winters can be bitterly cold, and summers can feel like a sauna. Spring and fall are amazing, but I get the appeal of SD or Tampa.
My older sister lived in Mt. Adams about 20 years ago after she graduated from college. She loved it - of course, back then her main focus was being able to walk to the nearest bar from her apartment. We'd been looking at OTR so that's good information - I've been reading about the area cleanup but it's good to have local info.

 
Sonoma, CA (or surrounding areas of Glen Ellen, Kenwood, Santa Rosa)

1) Poker - Graton Casino & Resort (30 min away)

2) Golf - Plenty of public/private courses in Sonoma County 

3) Cost of living - depending on amenities and location, housing could run between 500k and 1M. it's CA, so taxes are pretty high, along w/ gas prices, food prices, etc., compared to other parts of the country

4) Nature/walkability - plenty of State Parks (e.g. Annadale & Sugar Loaf) right in Sonoma Valley. Sonoma (the town) is walkable, w/ restaurants, shops, wineries, bars. if you want to get more secluded, there's Forestville/Graton witch are a bit more remote (i.e. less population density, probably lower housing costs and properties come w/ some acreage). 3 hours to Tahoe, 1 hour to SF/East Bay, 3 hours to Monterey, 45 minutes to the Pacific Ocean. 

5) Employment - numerous PT jobs available, lots of volunteer work too (especially if you like animals)

6) Weather - Spring: can be a little wet in a normal year, temps usually between 70-80; Summer - typically dry and can get hot, temps between 80-100; Fall - best time of year, temps between 70 - 85, can rain; Winter - can get fairly cold and rain is common; temps between 40-60, very, very little chance of snow

7) Activities/Entertainment - wine & wine tasting; beer & beer tasting; SF is an hour away if you want "culture"; Sonoma has a "small-town" feel with weekly farmer's market, 4th of July Parade, film festival, Napa/Sonoma marathon, BottleRock Napa, etc.; Sonoma County is a big place with lots to explore

8) not to drag politics into anything, but Sonoma/NorCal is pretty liberal if that makes a difference
This is great info. Can you delete all of it before I show this thread to my wife?  :D  

I think she would LOVE Sonoma - we visited there a few years ago but didn't really think about living there. We just assumed it would be far too expensive. We'll look into it - thanks!

 
We considered that - have a summer place and a winter place. That would allow us to live up on the mountain in Tahoe during the summer without having to deal with driving in the winter and we could have a winter place somewhere like Arizona or Florida. We're not sure if we want to start out that way, though. Since we may still want to work part-time, trying to do that in two places might be challenging. 
Our retirement plan is to just keep our house in Ohio as a "home base" and airbnb a month at a time wherever we feel like going.

 
Just to throw another option out there, maybe Santa Fe, NM area?  It seems to meet a lot of your criteria.
We thought about Santa Fe - did some Googling and thought we might get bored. It seems like there's a great arts community there but there were lots of comments I found that suggested there's really not much to do there.

 
Our retirement plan is to just keep our house in Ohio as a "home base" and airbnb a month at a time wherever we feel like going.
If we end up in the Midwest or Florida where July/August are the worst, we figured we could go to Tahoe for a month to escape.

 
My older sister lived in Mt. Adams about 20 years ago after she graduated from college. She loved it - of course, back then her main focus was being able to walk to the nearest bar from her apartment. We'd been looking at OTR so that's good information - I've been reading about the area cleanup but it's good to have local info.
Yeah Mt. Adams is usually for a little younger crowd, but it's a nice area and has some fantastic river views. I'm guessing Hyde Park might be more what you're looking for.

My perspective is from a family guy who grew up in nicer 'burbs. I have zero experience living the 'city life'. For DINKs or recently retired DINKs, there are more established OTR areas that I'm sure are safe. I just remember rolling through that area as a kid when one of the highways were shut down and knowing I did not belong.

Findley Market is a really cool open air market in OTR that has nearly everything. You're a decent walk away from the ballparks (wouldn't suggest it for a night game without a group going), local breweries are coming online at a pretty good clip if that's your thing. A 

If you're ok with Kentucky, Bellevue is another area that's seen a rebirth. Have family (dinks) who absolutely love the lifestyle/pace of life. City is 5-10 minutes away, but it doesn't feel that way.

 
Santa Fe is great...

Also I will throw out my hometown of New Orleans and also Austin.
Austin has no poker (OK, there's home games). My wife has a lot of friends in Austin but I think we're ready to get out of Texas. We both grew up in the Midwest and it would be nice to have seasons again. It's easy to say that now when winter is barely more than a week or two but we are getting tired of 7 months of summer. 

 
Tahoe is cool, but I wouldn't want to live there.  My mother-in-law lives there and her house was buried under 15-20 feet of snow this winter.  If you are retired and can pick the days you are out using the roads then it won't matter as much, but something to keep in mind.

 
Prefer Reno to Tahoe. Lived there 12 yrs (if my wife hadnt died there and left too many memories i'd still be there) and its completely different than Tahoe, where winters are oppressive. Reno's actually a high-desert town, so there's change of seasons with none too severe; eomman's right about the poker action in Tahoe, but the casinos dominate downtown so there's not any village feel.. Many of the local golf courses are short (a leftover from the old days when the casinos wanted to cut an hour from tourists time away from the tables), but they're solid, open all yr and courses up & down the Sierra are tremendous in summer. Grrrreat fly-fishing on the Walker River, Pyramid Lake (NV's salt lake) is a one-of-a-kind picnic day, 4 hrs to the Bay Area and all the culture you want and they always keep the I80 clear for the tourist flow. Cheap,ez living in one of the best towns to get out of in the country.

That said, SD is the ####in bomb if you can afford it.

 
We thought about Santa Fe - did some Googling and thought we might get bored. It seems like there's a great arts community there but there were lots of comments I found that suggested there's really not much to do there.
That is fair.  Arts and museums are the big thing there. If you wanted sports, you would need to drive to ABQ for Isotopes or Lobos games.  New Mexico does have some decent activities spread around it for longer trips (my wife is from ABQ and I've spent a good amount of time driving around NM), even though there is not much in Santa Fe itself.

 
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Dunedin, Florida is beautiful and has everything you've listed. And it wouldn't be a bad vacation to investigate.

 
Dunedin, Florida is beautiful and has everything you've listed. And it wouldn't be a bad vacation to investigate.
So Tampa you're saying? 

The only reasons to not pick SD is cost and if you really really want those 4 seasons again.

 
I was just reading an article about Hollywood, FL and how that is one of the new top retirement destinations in the US.

 
btw if this post isn't a ringing endorsement for birth control, I don't know what is.

"wife and I will be moving anywhere in the country we want in our late 40's.  Don't have to work, maybe we will if we feel like it.  Oh and we only have a paltry $700k to throw down on a house.  I'd post more details but our personal chef just told us that dinner is served.  We'll probably get hammered and have sex all over the house later tonight.  We call that Tuesday."

 
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Nice options for 700k in Tampa area.  Waterfront is in the picture at that point.  There are countless golf communities, new construction, lakes, beaches, acreage, etc.

You could still get a nice pad for 400k-500k and get a vacation home up north for June - August.

 
What about Nashville?

Casinos and golf

Moderate weather with seasons

Pro sports and music scene

Convenient to Cincy and St Louis

 
What about Nashville?

Casinos and golf

Moderate weather with seasons

Pro sports and music scene

Convenient to Cincy and St Louis
One of my coworkers suggested Nashville but we haven't looked into it yet. I think we'd really like the music scene assuming we can find non-country. We'll check into it, thanks. 

 
I voted San Diego.  Great climate, fun community, very outdoor friendly, some casinos nearby, high cost of living--but also tends to be an area where the real estate maintains or improves value--so thats also good.   

As you can tell by my profile--I'm biased--but Las Vegas has treated me very well in regards to my real estate investments.  First of all--you could get an absolutely beautiful single family home in Vegas for half of your housing budget.  You could also get an amazing condo for 1/4-1/3 of your budget.  Amazing poker opportunities--and plenty of golf.  Heck--with the money you save on housing--you could join a country club.   If you do move there--get solar panels installed on your house--and the 3-4 months of hard weather per year gets far easier to deal with.  Great tax ramifications for living in Nevada as well.   The city is also vastly under rated for its outdoor activities.  Red Rock canyon is filled with beautiful hiking trails as is Mt Charleston.   If you picked a home in the Summerlin area--Red Rock will essentially be right at the tips of your fingers--so I'd even specify my recommendation further to being Summerlin. It's a great area.  

 
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San Diego is the no-brainer for me.  Absolutely love the place.  Great weather, golf, beautiful beaches, good local restaurants, etc.  Torrey Pines is still my absolute favorite golf round ever.  

However, the cost of living is really high and i've heard traffic sucks. 

 

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