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ISPs to sell your internet history (1 Viewer)

On a scale of 1-5, how upset are you that your ISP will be able to sell your browsing data?

  • 1-Don't care at all

    Votes: 5 5.0%

  • 2-Care a little bit

    Votes: 10 10.0%

  • 3-I'm concerned about this

    Votes: 10 10.0%

  • 4-Very concerned

    Votes: 14 14.0%

  • 5-This is outrageous

    Votes: 61 61.0%
  • Total voters
    100
GroveDiesel

GroveDiesel

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Didn't see anything about this after a quick search here. 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-private-browsing-history/

Your ISP will be allowed to sell your browsing history. This will essentially make everything you've viewed on the internet accessible to anyone else eventually. 

The ramifications of this are immense obviously. 

And if you're reading this at work right now, you should be especially concerned. Future employers will be able to buy your internet history and see just how much you surf the Internet during work hours. And what you were looking at.

 
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GroveDiesel said:
Didn't see anything about this after a quick search here. 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-private-browsing-history/

Your ISP will be allowed to sell your browsing history. This will essentially make everything you've viewed on the internet accessible to anyone else eventually. 

The ramifications of this are immense obviously. 

And if you're reading this at work right now, you should be especially concerned. Future employers will be able to buy your internet history and see just how much you surf the Internet during work hours. And what you were looking at.
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Yeah, bet those 4chan guys are super stoked about supporting the Republican Party this past election. 

 
GroveDiesel said:
Didn't see anything about this after a quick search here. 

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/for-sale-your-private-browsing-history/

Your ISP will be allowed to sell your browsing history. This will essentially make everything you've viewed on the internet accessible to anyone else eventually. 

The ramifications of this are immense obviously. 

And if you're reading this at work right now, you should be especially concerned. Future employers will be able to buy your internet history and see just how much you surf the Internet during work hours. And what you were looking at.
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How so?

 
fantasycurse42 said:
This will never make it through the government - you think they want their internet history accessible?
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Wat?

The US House of Representatives voted Tuesday to eliminate ISP privacy rules, following the Senate vote to take the same action last week. The legislation to kill the rules now heads to President Donald Trump for his signature or veto.

The White House issued a statement today supporting the House's action, and saying that Trump's advisors will recommend that he sign the legislation. That would make the death of the Federal Communications Commission's privacy rules official.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Wat?

The US House of Representatives voted Tuesday to eliminate ISP privacy rules, following the Senate vote to take the same action last week. The legislation to kill the rules now heads to President Donald Trump for his signature or veto.

The White House issued a statement today supporting the House's action, and saying that Trump's advisors will recommend that he sign the legislation. That would make the death of the Federal Communications Commission's privacy rules official.
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Really? Glad I use a VPN. I should read the news more often.

 
Apple Jack said:
How so?
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I guess this would only apply to people browsing on their phones while at work since any work browsing wouldn't be able to be traceable to you presumably. But if you browse the internet on your phone while at work, that data will be available for future employers to purchase.

 
Jobber said:
So now the GOP is anti-privacy. What is their reasoning behind this?
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From what I read, their argument is that Facebook and Google are already doing this. They are basically letting the internet providers to do it too in order to ensure a note competitive environment free of regulation.

 
As someone who works in this space, I can explain exactly what most large websites are doing right now in terms of sharing data, which I don't feel there is anything malicious about it:

Hypothetically, I'm viewing HGTV 4-5x in a week... I'm viewing information about DIY bathroom remodels, ideas, costs, etc - I'm showing heavy interest in this project, they have 300,000 users that exhibit similar behavior for some sort of home repair/remodel - HGTV takes those cookie pools and offers to sell it to a Home Depot or Lowe's so they can serve you advertisements through their trading desks. 

Pretty fair IMO.

 
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fantasycurse42 said:
As someone who works in this space, I can explain exactly what most large websites are doing right now in terms of sharing data, which I don't feel there is anything malicious about it:

Hypothetically, I'm viewing HGTV 4-5x in a week... I'm viewing information about DIY bathroom remodels, ideas, costs, etc - I'm showing heavy interest in this behavior, they have 300,000 users that exhibit similar behavior for some sort of home repair/remodel - HGTV takes those cookie pools and offers to sell it to a Home Depot or Lowe's so they can serve you advertisements through their trading desks. 

Pretty fair IMO.
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Can you expand on what you mean by the underlined?

 
In case you need a reason to dislike your congressperson (like me!) Here is an article with a listing of who voted in favor of the ISP bill, and the amount of cash they have received from the telecom industry.

My representative (Barbara Comstock - R(VA)) voted in favor, and has received ~$56k this year. WOW. She is currently afraid of her constituents, and already has people prepping to run against her in the next election.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
As someone who works in this space, I can explain exactly what most large websites are doing right now in terms of sharing data, which I don't feel there is anything malicious about it:

Hypothetically, I'm viewing HGTV 4-5x in a week... I'm viewing information about DIY bathroom remodels, ideas, costs, etc - I'm showing heavy interest in this project, they have 300,000 users that exhibit similar behavior for some sort of home repair/remodel - HGTV takes those cookie pools and offers to sell it to a Home Depot or Lowe's so they can serve you advertisements through their trading desks. 

Pretty fair IMO.
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Some major differences though between doing that and what this now allows.

1) We're not just talking pooled data here, we are talking about very specific individualized data. This would make it possible for a large company to buy up everyone's data and then charge people a fee to get data on one specific person. Dating someone new? Now she can go to this website, pay a fee, and see just how much porn you watch and what sites you are going to. Interviewing with a new employer? They can do the same thing.

2) When I use Google or Facebook or any other free website, I do it with the understanding that I AM the product. I know that they'll track everything I do while I am on that site (and often beyond) so that they can sell that to advertisers. But I PAY my ISP a crapload of money for their service. I expect them to treat me like the customer, not the product.

 
GroveDiesel said:
Some major differences though between doing that and what this now allows.

1) We're not just talking pooled data here, we are talking about very specific individualized data. This would make it possible for a large company to buy up everyone's data and then charge people a fee to get data on one specific person. Dating someone new? Now she can go to this website, pay a fee, and see just how much porn you watch and what sites you are going to. Interviewing with a new employer? They can do the same thing.

2) When I use Google or Facebook or any other free website, I do it with the understanding that I AM the product. I know that they'll track everything I do while I am on that site (and often beyond) so that they can sell that to advertisers. But I PAY my ISP a crapload of money for their service. I expect them to treat me like the customer, not the product.
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I agree 100%. Nothing wrong with sharing cookie pools.

Honestly, I think the way marketers use data now is actually beneficial for a consumer. If Home Depot wants to serve me an ad about saving 20% on materials for a bathroom while I'm remodeling it, that is a win/win IMO. 

If an employer wants to know how much Asian lesbian midget porn I view, that is nobody's business. 

 
I didn't even mention the legal system implications. Police/FBI/etc. currently run into legal hurdles at times when trying to get internet browsing of search history on someone. They have to deal with nuisances like warrants and court orders. Now? Just place an order with the ISP and get every bit of it in an instant! Better yet, have a standing contract where the government just automatically gets every bit of everyone's browsing history and create their own nice little database! Fun!

 
The problem isn't what they are doing today.  It's that they are opening up the flood gates for what people want to do tomorrow.

There is absolutely no reason to think that an ISP would refuse to sell this data after spending millions lobbying for the right to do so.  Once data is sold, it's out there.  It can't be unsold.  And this is potentially very sensitive data - not just porn habits but if you've been job searching, or screwing off during company time, do you want all your current and future employers to have that data?  If you've been searching about a symptom that you had and the government does away with the ACA, which banned recision based on pre existing conditions, you could lose insurance coverage for failing to notify your doctor or insurance company about that weird pain you looked up on WebMD. Do you have any enemies who would like to embarrass you?  Rivals gunning for the same job?  Some creepy guy who wants to bang your wife?  Have you ever said anything here that you don't want your kids to read some day?

This is a really big deal and we have the worst people possible making permanent decisions. 

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I agree 100%. Nothing wrong with sharing cookie pools.

Honestly, I think the way marketers use data now is actually beneficial for a consumer. If Home Depot wants to serve me an ad about saving 20% on materials for a bathroom while I'm remodeling it, that is a win/win IMO. 

If an employer wants to know how much Asian lesbian midget porn I view, that is nobody's business. 
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What if they offer a 20% discount for travel to Asia? 

 
I'm hitting Target for a gift card today. I'll use it to pay for a PIA VPN  yearly subscription.

These guys claim they don't log anything at all so even if someone serves a warrant, they have nothing to give. And if you pay using a Starbucks card, you are almost untraceable.

 
I'd assume that this would be forward looking.

If you want to avoid any issues, go sign up for a service like IPVanish for like $7 a month, and you'll remain anonymous to your ISP provider.

 
GroveDiesel said:
And if you're reading this at work right now, you should be especially concerned. Future employers will be able to buy your internet history and see just how much you surf the Internet during work hours. And what you were looking at.
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As much as I hate this legislation this is absurd.  There is no way a future employer would be able to know what node I was connected to compared to anyone else.  There might be a concern about buying your home internet history, but that's not what you are saying here.  You imply Company X can buy internet history of a specific Company Y employee.  No effing way.  

 
"I'm just tired of politics as usual in Washington, I'm voting for Trump because I want to send a message. Anyway, how much harm could he really do?"

 
Jobber said:
I'm hitting Target for a gift card today. I'll use it to pay for a PIA VPN  yearly subscription.

These guys claim they don't log anything at all so even if someone serves a warrant, they have nothing to give. And if you pay using a Starbucks card, you are almost untraceable.
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PIA is good.  I used them before.  

 
Out of curiosity, ISPs always knew what sites you were going to if you didn't use a vpn.   So now they can sell that knowledge, how does this affect me?  Am I going to get more snail mail ,more junk mail and more phone calls I need to ignore?

 
So, much as this is abhorrent to me, the libertarian in me wonders what private sector solutions are available here... ie VPN or other services ( @[icon] your link?) for now. It also opens up a market opportunity for ISP and other services to be sold that specifically preclude them from tracking / selling as well.  

 
bostonfred said:
The problem isn't what they are doing today.  It's that they are opening up the flood gates for what people want to do tomorrow.

There is absolutely no reason to think that an ISP would refuse to sell this data after spending millions lobbying for the right to do so.  Once data is sold, it's out there.  It can't be unsold.  And this is potentially very sensitive data - not just porn habits but if you've been job searching, or screwing off during company time, do you want all your current and future employers to have that data?  If you've been searching about a symptom that you had and the government does away with the ACA, which banned recision based on pre existing conditions, you could lose insurance coverage for failing to notify your doctor or insurance company about that weird pain you looked up on WebMD. Do you have any enemies who would like to embarrass you?  Rivals gunning for the same job?  Some creepy guy who wants to bang your wife?  Have you ever said anything here that you don't want your kids to read some day?

This is a really big deal and we have the worst people possible making permanent decisions. 
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I'm not a network guy so I couldn't tell you how they do it, but my job already knew if I was browsing too much and what sites I was hitting.   That's why I browse through a remote desktop connection to my home computer.   

 
Koya said:
So, much as this is abhorrent to me, the libertarian in me wonders what private sector solutions are available here... ie VPN or other services ( @[icon] your link?) for now. It also opens up a market opportunity for ISP and other services to be sold that specifically preclude them from tracking / selling as well.  
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A quality VPN service like PIA renders you fairly invisible to anything but serious hacker/federal attempts to dig. For most normal stuff... you might as well be a ghost, from what I understand. 

 
I mean the next step after VPN is a black box type router that has it's own encryption scheme and shifts nodes on some schedule.  These don't really exist yet, but would be super easy to design and build.  

You could even theorize how you could setup a service where you double (or more) hop traffic across different nodes or services.  

 
fantasycurse42 said:
I agree 100%. Nothing wrong with sharing cookie pools.

Honestly, I think the way marketers use data now is actually beneficial for a consumer. If Home Depot wants to serve me an ad about saving 20% on materials for a bathroom while I'm remodeling it, that is a win/win IMO. 

If an employer wants to know how much Asian lesbian midget porn I view, that is nobody's business. 
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Exactly.  And if I asked for a link to where you find the best stuff, hypothetically, that would also end nobody's business. 

 
I mean I really think you could make some serious money if you partnered with PIA or some service provider, and took a tomato based wi-fi router and pre-configured it for the VPN tunnel.  

For some people the act of setting up a VPN for their whole house is just far too complicated a task to accomplish.  I mean when I was using a VPN it took me quite some time as well.

I get a sense the market there could explode.

 
FYI just took about 30 seconds to install PIA on my Macbook Pro. Now set to automatically start up as soon as I turn on my machine. Adding it to my iPhone now. Then the Kodi-enabled FireTV when I get home. I should have done this earlier. The $50 for 2 years promo makes it a no-brainer. 

You can even manually select the country you want to be "From"... which is nice for discounted NFL sunday ticket and other stuff.... 

 
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FYI just took about 30 seconds to install PIA on my Macbook Pro. Now set to automatically start up as soon as I turn on my machine. Adding it to my iPhone now. Then the Kodi-enabled FireTV when I get home. I should have done this earlier. The $50 for 2 years promo makes it a no-brainer. 
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how does this work if you already use a vpn for work purposes? can you set it up only on a separate local user account on a pc? 

 
[icon] said:
FYI just took about 30 seconds to install PIA on my Macbook Pro. Now set to automatically start up as soon as I turn on my machine. Adding it to my iPhone now. Then the Kodi-enabled FireTV when I get home. I should have done this earlier. The $50 for 2 years promo makes it a no-brainer. 
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That's a good deal, my average monthly on IPVanish is $6.4 a month. 

I like the service though, so I'm going to stick with it. I already have it on my phone and Amazon TV - my MBPro is mainly used for work stuff, so whatever.

 
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