No to the 1st 2If you have or if you had the 1.1 rookie pick this year, what are you hoping for on draft day? Keep in mind, logical options- not unlikely scenarios.
List your top 3 options.
At this stage mine are:
Fournette- Panthers
Mixon- Raiders
Fournette- Jaguars
Curious- why Fournette to the Jets?!) Fournette to Jets
2) Davis to Cards
3) Cook to Colts
Finally a good post. I've seen months of talk about the Panthers and jags. Both are bad spots and I'll be trading the 1.01 if Fournette goes to either.My ideal scenario for the first 7 guys I see drafted in rookie drafts
1.01 Fournette - Colts they trade up for 15th to get him.
1.02 Cook - Redskins at 17
1.03 Davis - Cardinals at 13
1.04 Williams - Titans at 18
1.05 Mixon - Packers at 61
1.06 McCaffery - Saints at 32
1.07 Howard - Saints at 11
Finally a good post. I've seen months of talk about the Panthers and jags. Both are bad spots and I'll be trading the 1.01 if Fournette goes to either.
Maybe my fat rob Kelley will have some value!Are we totally writing off any chance of the Redskins drafting a RB?
I don't think they will in the first, but I could see them grabbing one in the mid rounds.Are we totally writing off any chance of the Redskins drafting a RB?
Don't know, but it's the correct answer to the question.That's supposed to be funny?
^^^Think you guys might be forgetting this part of the OP.Keep in mind, logical options- not unlikely scenarios
Don't know, but it's the correct answer to the question.
They have a lot of needs on the defensive side of the ball so I consider a 1st round RB or WR by Washington to be unlikely.Are we totally writing off any chance of the Redskins drafting a RB?
Maybe Mixon or Kamara in the 2nd? Also how logical is the ownership/management in DC?They have a lot of needs on the defensive side of the ball so I consider a 1st round RB or WR by Washington to be unlikely.
I suppose they could do it as BPA but if they are going to draft a skill player, a WR or even a QB might be a higher priority.Maybe Mixon or Kamara in the 2nd? Also how logical is the ownership/management in DC?
I think they would have to move up to get him. Can't see him getting past the Jags or Panthers.As far as absolute best for 1.1 (not just best landing spots in general), it seems like Fournette to Indy is an absolute best case scenario that actually has a chance of happening.
Fournette is the guy most people want at 1.1, but like Meno mentioned he has the smallest chance of falling to a truly great spot since Indy/Oakland/GB all pick after he's expected to be off the board. Indy is the one possible exception where he could still be there.
Cam could easily start vulturing again when feeling better. Then there is the shotgun issue that has been brought up a few times. Fournette's YPC dropped by 2.5ypc when running out of the shotgun compared to under center in college, and Carolina runs the highest percentage of shotgun snaps in the league.Not sure why people don't think Carolina is a good landing spot. Cam stopped vulturing TDs after hurting his head, and I expect that to continue. An injured Cam is worthless and I believe both he and the team now realize him pointlessly rushing for TDs has to slow down at the very least.
no consideration for Corey or even Mike Williams? why is everyone so locked in on the rib's??I'm starting to 2nd guess that Fournette is the 1.1 regardless of landing spot, especially in PPR. At this point I think I would consider Fournette, Mixon, or McCaffrey pending how high they are drafted and who takes them.
Ribs are delicious.no consideration for Corey or even Mike Williams? why is everyone so locked in on the rib's??
People can't imagine this, and I don't know why.I think they would have to move up to get him. Can't see him getting past the Jags or Panthers.
Seems like a mistake to take a WR 1.01 in a year where the top WRs are pretty mediocre compared to most year's top WRs while the RBs are very strong compared to most year's top RBs.no consideration for Corey or even Mike Williams? why is everyone so locked in on the rib's??
For me, I have 4 WR 1's and currently Lacy & AD are my top 2 RB's . I really need to hit with an RB at 1.1, 1.10 or 2.1 or trade back pending the draft.no consideration for Corey or even Mike Williams? why is everyone so locked in on the rib's??
This.Not sure why people don't think Carolina is a good landing spot. Cam stopped vulturing TDs after hurting his head, and I expect that to continue. An injured Cam is worthless and I believe both he and the team now realize him pointlessly rushing for TDs has to slow down at the very least.
An ancient Gore and even Donald Brown thrived.....because Luck takes all the pressure away. And he'll be gifted a ton of short tds. You can improve the line and hide a lot of problems. Qb isn't so easy. And there is no competition at all. I agree the Packers would be better but my bigger point was that the Jaguars and Panthers are bad landing spots. Additionally all I did was say another person made a good post. Where you are getting all this other stuff is a real straw man exercise.I'm not sure this is an accurate assessment, and it's insulting on top of it.
Fournette has not shown he can create for himself. When his offensive line did not have an advantage he struggled to produce. When they do have an advantage he is fully capable of superior performance.
Despite that, you would rather see him in IND, where the weakness of the O-line has crippled the offense and the capability of QB who hasn't been able to get close to the apex of his skills.
The Colts are going to need a RB whose game is very diverse and who can gain yardage in nontraditional ways. It seems to me that Cook or McCaffrey is a much better fit for IND than Fournette is.
Put Fournette in OAK or GB where the lines are strong and the passing games forces bigger rushing lanes and you've got a recipe for substantial success by him.
I believe your line of thinking is not only in poor judgment of others, but also misgiven in and of itself.
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History, DeAngelo Williams went out and had a monster season and what did they do. Made it a time share with Stewart, plus Cam will still vulture touchdowns. Everyone has in the back of their mind that Carolina drafts Fournette and Mike Tolbert will be the goal line back, or a guy like Artis-Payne will take enough touches away to make Fournette an RB2, or god forbid Fournette goes nuts this year and in game 10 has a season ending injury and the draft another back next year and force another time share.This.
Cam has learned his lesson in 2016.....he can't keep playing the way he has been playing, or his career will end prematurely. He will still vulture some TDs, but there's no reason why Fournette couldn't be a stud in CAR.
The "Fournette is just a straight line guy" narrative has really just kind of built on itself this offseason. In this thread alone I'm seeing a notion that he can't move inside and that he can't create for himself. As a fan of a rival SEC team full of defensive players that are about to be drafted in the 1st and 2nd round, I disagree with that wholeheartedly. Two years ago when Fournette was healthy and he played Florida the Florida defense dominated the LoS and Fournette still ripped us up. 7 of those guys on that defense will end up 1st/2nd round NFL picks and they just couldn't get a hold of the guy inside the tackles.I'm not sure this is an accurate assessment, and it's insulting on top of it
Fournette has not shown he can create for himself. When his offensive line did not have an advantage he struggled to produce. When they do have an advantage he is fully capable of superior performance.
Despite that, you would rather see him in IND, where the weakness of the O-line has crippled the offense and the capability of QB who hasn't been able to get close to the apex of his skills.
The Colts are going to need a RB whose game is very diverse and who can gain yardage in nontraditional ways. It seems to me that Cook or McCaffrey is a much better fit for IND than Fournette is.
Put Fournette in OAK or GB where the lines are strong and the passing games forces bigger rushing lanes and you've got a recipe for substantial success by him.
I believe your line of thinking is not only in poor judgment of others, but also misgiven in and of itself.
So you see the Raiders trading up to get Fournette, because there is zero chance he's available at their pick.Liked Bronco Billy's assessment. Idealy I'd like Fournette in Oakland EVEN if they acquire beast mode. I think they could accomodate,2 backs(see Atlanta). Plus what kinda shape would Lynch be in and I think Fournette would end up with the majority of the carries. Anyway Seattle still owns the rights to Lynch. Once beast gets his legs could help get,the division title.
McCaffrey just kinda feels like a fit in G.B. Rodgers would utilize his assets & skills as much as he can. If that be the case Montgomery may give way & lose carries to Christian. If McCaffrey ends up a Packer &they can improve their defense some they could become a powerful SB contender. Rodgers is probably at this moment putting McCaffrey bugs in all the higher ups & forces that be in Green Bay telling 'em, "Hey, get this guy and watch what happens. Let,me work him & we'll reap,the rewards" Revive the discount double check,lol.
In all, I can,just picture Fournette a Raider even if they wuss down to Las Vegas town and McCaffrey,uh, just feels right for him in a Green Bay Packers uniform. Just my opinions.
Sooooo, the 2016 Rams? Didn't work out so great for Gurley.Don't like Panthers with Newton vulturing . . .
Jets want to run first and have no established passing game, WR corps or QB . . .
Doubts in the Jags O line . . .
Doubts in Forte of other RB's being long term solution . . .
In regard to Fournette, do you think the Colts o-line is good enough to have this be the ideal situation?My ideal scenario for the first 7 guys I see drafted in rookie drafts
1.01 Fournette - Colts they trade up for 15th to get him.
1.02 Cook - Redskins at 17
1.03 Davis - Cardinals at 13
1.04 Williams - Titans at 18
1.05 Mixon - Packers at 61
1.06 McCaffery - Saints at 32
1.07 Howard - Saints at 11
No around here they are not and I disagree with the reasoning that Davis and Williams don't compare to the elite WR's to come out of the past seasons as the reason. For sure like both a lot more than any WR from last years draft(pre-draft of course). Most people whose opinion I respect have one or both of these WR's in their top 10 overall players, which is impressive this season considering how strong the draft is on the defensive side.The WRs aren't getting much love through. I
Frank Gore has been been averaged about 1300 total yards from scrimmage and 7.5 touchdowns a year behind that line, and he is waaaaay past his prime and even in his prime probably wasn't the talent that Fournette is. The real question should be how can people think the line is going to stop Fournette from 1700 + yards from scrimmage and 10+ touchdowns when Gore, at 32 and 33 years of age average 1300 and 7.5In regard to Fournette, do you think the Colts o-line is good enough to have this be the ideal situation?
I would think any of the RBs to the Packers would be fantasy gold; maybe with McCaffery being the best.
We're talking "ideal", not "ok/good". I figure Cook, McCaffery and Mixon could do better than the 1000 yards rushing Fournette should get, that all. Never said Fournette will be bad. Also, I don't see Fournette getting much receiving.Frank Gore has been been averaged about 1300 total yards from scrimmage and 7.5 touchdowns a year behind that line, and he is waaaaay past his prime and even in his prime probably wasn't the talent that Fournette is. The real question should be how can people think the line is going to stop Fournette from 1700 + yards from scrimmage and 10+ touchdowns when Gore, at 32 and 33 years of age average 1300 and 7.5
He doesn't have too, Gore only got about 270 yards each year. I think him with Luck would be gold.We're talking "ideal", not "ok/good". I figure Cook, McCaffery and Mixon could do better than the 1000 yards rushing Fournette should get, that all. Never said Fournette will be bad. Also, I don't see Fournette getting much receiving.
The other situation at play is need. In 4 different leagues I have picks 3,4,5 and 6 and in another league I have picks 1-6 but that one is not relevant. The other 4 leagues I have picks in 3-6 range I have a higher pick in all but the league I have pick 4 and what I did in all of those leagues was look at the rosters of what totaled 11 teams that had picks before my picks in 3-6 range. My opinion was that all 11 of those teams had a greater RB need than WR need and most not close.
The whole idea is Fournette is a lot better than 33 year old Frank Gore, not that he will be only as "good" (or maybe "not terrible") as him. So why would we expect him to just put up the same as Gore? If an over the hill RB can run for 1000 yards, I would think Fournette can run for a lot more.We're talking "ideal", not "ok/good". I figure Cook, McCaffery and Mixon could do better than the 1000 yards rushing Fournette should get, that all. Never said Fournette will be bad. Also, I don't see Fournette getting much receiving.