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TE Evan Engram, JAX (5 Viewers)
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Deamon
Footballguy
he had 9 targets today. Actually a decent statline in PPR and TE Premium leagues. Maybe not startable for everyone, but will be for some people who got hit with TE injuries.
He's 4th in Tight End receptions this year so far. (will drop a bit once everyone else plays this week)
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I get what you're saying. He still looks the part out there. He's fast and looks like he could make a big play any time. Not a lot of TEs have that potential. He gets a good amount targets.
Still, in my 0.5 PPR he still hasn't broken double digits once. Whe he does run a route downfield he drops it, like last night. All these targets aren't resulting in much production at all.
I'm ready to watch him be someone else's headache.
NickyHatton
Footballguy
Garrett's offense looks awful this year, just really bad and outdated, even before the Barkley injury.
Not really liking Engram's 2020 prospects, even with how thin TE always is. He gets maybe one target a game at the seam, everything else is screens/curls/handoffs at the line of scrimmage.
Will probably have a useful game or two from here on out, but I want nothing to do with this offense this year.
Not really liking Engram's 2020 prospects, even with how thin TE always is. He gets maybe one target a game at the seam, everything else is screens/curls/handoffs at the line of scrimmage.
Will probably have a useful game or two from here on out, but I want nothing to do with this offense this year.
Deamon
Footballguy
It's all relative to who your other options are. If you drop him, that means you have 1-2 top 15 TE's already, so that's fine.
If you have deep benches or TE premium or are hurting at TE, Engram is a definite hold and maybe even a start still.
I started him in several leagues last night an have no regrets, with most of those leagues TE premium. The drop was massively unfortunate for him and the Giants but I thought it was the best he was used all year.
Hearing his name crop up often in trade talks, a lot of people seem to think he's available. In dynasty I would not mind but for sure not what I want in redraft, can't imagine a TE switching teams in midseason is overly ideal. I guess if he got to NE I'd not mind to much just out of trust in the staff, but in a perfect world he'd finish out the year with Giants and get moved in the off-season.
Hearing his name crop up often in trade talks, a lot of people seem to think he's available. In dynasty I would not mind but for sure not what I want in redraft, can't imagine a TE switching teams in midseason is overly ideal. I guess if he got to NE I'd not mind to much just out of trust in the staff, but in a perfect world he'd finish out the year with Giants and get moved in the off-season.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes I was holding on due to the targets as well and potential ceiling vs waiver wire options. But when you break it down, he's only averaging 5yds per target. An elite TE should be averaging 8-10yds per target. He also has the most drops of any TE since 2017. They have him blocking more (even though he's not good at it) and running almost zero deep routes. He checks all of the wrong boxes right now and so does the Giants coaching staff.
Deamon
Footballguy
I never said anything about Elite. He is definitely not elite. But he isn't droppable like you say for a lot of teams who don't have a healthy top 10 TE.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I think he is borderline elite TE. He really started to look good in the second half of 2018 and early 2019 (which is what you would expect from a TE in year 3) and then got hurt again.
He's clearly in a slump and the coaching staff sucks. I'm selling.
Deamon
Footballguy
Selling is okay (if you miraculously find a buyer) Your first post suggested people should drop him though.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes to clarify, by sell I mean drop. I would straight drop him right now for a bag of balls. Now if he miraculously gets traded in real life, that's a different story.
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Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
There is diddly squat at TE on the WW in 12-team leagues with medium or large bench sizes.
Deamon
Footballguy
Again, maybe in your league. In a deep bench league like mine, where I own Ertz, Engram is not only undroppable, he's likely my best option to start.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Yes true. That said, I dropped him for Logan Thomas. It would have been Austin Hooper but he's out.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I have the likes of Gesicki or Trey Burton available, dropped bc they were on byes i guess. Think ill go for one of them if they're available on waivers. Unfortunately Engram is locked in my lineup so I can't drop him now. Still, it feels like an exercise in futility. As much as I detest him, none of these guys on waivers come close to his upside.
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Deamon
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Deamon
Footballguy
The good news is EE's opportunities are there. Once targets go below 5 a game is when I start to worry. I mean if you have other options I would not start him, but many many leagues don't have top 12 options sitting aroundI'm inclined to agree. Which is how I keep ending up here each week.
EDT: He's still averaging over 6 targets a game and has some juicy matchups after his bye. I'm holding on my bench if you have the room.
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Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I had relegated him to the bench and was content to see how things played out until Tonyan turned his ankle. Had to make a decision too early with the Thursday night game. The numbers say hold, but the bad feelings are strong with this one.
Still, as bad as he's been, he's still probably going to produce what a dart throw waiver TE would, and none have his upside. I'd prefer to find someone in my league who is a league-equivalent to Siberia and ship him there for a kicker. Or anything. But it's probably the wrong move.
Guess I'll be back in this thread next week.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Tonyan = you have a much better option than almost anyone else who is in this predicament.I had relegated him to the bench and was content to see how things played out until Tonyan turned his ankle. Had to make a decision too early with the Thursday night game. The numbers say hold, but the bad feelings are strong with this one.
Still, as bad as he's been, he's still probably going to produce what a dart throw waiver TE would, and none have his upside. I'd prefer to find someone in my league who is a league-equivalent to Siberia and ship him there for a kicker. Or anything. But it's probably the wrong move.
Guess I'll be back in this thread next week.
Deamon
Footballguy
No reason to drop him at all if you have no better options. Again, all this "should I drop player X" COMPLETELY depends on your roster and league.I had relegated him to the bench and was content to see how things played out until Tonyan turned his ankle. Had to make a decision too early with the Thursday night game. The numbers say hold, but the bad feelings are strong with this one.
Still, as bad as he's been, he's still probably going to produce what a dart throw waiver TE would, and none have his upside. I'd prefer to find someone in my league who is a league-equivalent to Siberia and ship him there for a kicker. Or anything. But it's probably the wrong move.
Guess I'll be back in this thread next week.
I can totally see short bench leagues dropping Engram fully. No question. In one of my leagues, I'm starting him. There's 34 Tight Ends owned in that league... it would be nuts to drop him there.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Their have been 'whispers' that the Giants will or should deal him so I tried to find teams where it would make sense and I could not find any 'perfect' fits but one team intrigues me even though they primarily run 3-wide sets.
Cincinnati.
They got crap at TE and don't use them because the offense revolves around wide receivers but Evan is 'like' a WR so if they had him on the field with another TE they could split him and still run their base 3-wide WR set.
I'm convinced the guy has talent. He came into this season ranked 7th overall at the TE spot, he's done it before.
Joe Burrow with a young TE and those young WRs going forward?
Bengals lack vision and are risk averse/rarely make trades and it is unlikely but Engram to Nati intrigues me.
What other possible trades 'make-sense' because I've heard 'rumors' the G-Men have others on the table with whispers of Engram.
Cincinnati.
They got crap at TE and don't use them because the offense revolves around wide receivers but Evan is 'like' a WR so if they had him on the field with another TE they could split him and still run their base 3-wide WR set.
I'm convinced the guy has talent. He came into this season ranked 7th overall at the TE spot, he's done it before.
Joe Burrow with a young TE and those young WRs going forward?
Bengals lack vision and are risk averse/rarely make trades and it is unlikely but Engram to Nati intrigues me.
What other possible trades 'make-sense' because I've heard 'rumors' the G-Men have others on the table with whispers of Engram.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Jordan Raanan@JordanRaanan
Evan Engram is NOT expected to be traded.
Other teams have called, but he's not being shopped.
The Giants view him as an explosive offensive weapon that is part of their future, even though it hasn't clicked yet this season. #Giants #NFL
Evan Engram is NOT expected to be traded.
Other teams have called, but he's not being shopped.
The Giants view him as an explosive offensive weapon that is part of their future, even though it hasn't clicked yet this season. #Giants #NFL
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The only explosive offensive weapons in North Jersey these days are burrito sharts.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Per Giants saying Engram not being shopped.Pip's Invitation said:
March 2018
Giants GM won't say OBJ off trade block, but 'you don't quit on talent'
Its possible, but I think there is a lot of reason to assume than Engram just isn't very good. Like, he's a great athlete, but he's very mistake prone, both as a receiver and a blocker. Maybe he gets it together ala Jared Cook, but I feel like the offense has never really missed him when he's been gone.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Exactly. Teams never reveal publicly that they are trying to trade a guy. That might mess with the head of the player and maybe some of his teammates, and could screw things up on the field and in the locker room if they can’t make a deal. I never believe a team when they declare they won’t trade a player. I don’t assume he’s getting traded, but I don’t assume he’s not getting traded.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
He's been injured a lot which I think can account for some of his mistakes. That's not exactly a positive though.
You Know Who I Am
Footballguy
Back to back double digit games- that’s promising. 3rd in targets on the season- again, promising. I feel like the law of averages is bound to catch up here and he starts performing rest of season. Not sure what to think. Very disappointing first 6 games or so. The last two haven’t been great but certainly not bad
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I pick up a TE off the trash heap and hope for a TD every week and always fail. This week I pick Engram. So, I would not start him this week if I were you.You Know Who I Am said:
Helaire-ious
Footballguy
I'm at the point where I will likely start Burton over him
Yenrub
Footballguy
I thought he got in the end zone on Monday night but they didn't review the play.You Know Who I Am said:
All of the Giants beat reports say that the organization view him as a piece for the Giants future. They are trying to get the ball in his hands, maybe he starts producing
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Well, I will counter by saying I was finally able to rid myself of Engram last week, and now my opponent is going to start him against me. I'm due to have it come back and bite me for how much trash I talked about him to my league mates. You can feel better now
tombonneau
Footballguy
Is he a FA after this year? I thought he was but does he have one more year of this?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I lost because I started Goedert last week and dropped Jared Cook. My opponent now has Jared Cook. So I may be in the same boat as you.Well, I will counter by saying I was finally able to rid myself of Engram last week, and now my opponent is going to start him against me. I'm due to have it come back and bite me for how much trash I talked about him to my league mates. You can feel better now
The Frankman
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Ardbeg4ever
Footballguy
Damn, I just convinced myself that Engram was a better start than Goedart, well at least I'm only going up against Waller :( ....
