Ilov80s
Footballguy
Agreed. My evals at this point are more real NFL- who would I want if I was an nfl gm.
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WR John Ross, KC (3 Viewers)
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joey
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Looks good. Doesn't feel like a Phillip Dorsett type fluke
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I think it's the coaching change. He knows if he makes one mistake he's not going to be sent to sit in the stands for the rest of the game.shadyridr said:
I would make a massive post-week 1 upward adjustment for him. This game is going to do wonders for his confidence. Seattle's defense is no joke and he made a big difference.
-QG
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I like his target share but his 60 yarder seemed kind of flukey though.
he's all about the long ball though. I'll take that + 12 targets all day. Granted, Seahawks probably went back to man at some point to contain Boyd but still
az_prof
Footballguy
Agreed. You can't argue with the competition or the target share but that TD was just plain lucky.
Rushmore
Footballguy
Before that play, he dropped a pass that likely would have been a long touchdown and was clearly upset by it. I thought it might screw his confidence up for the remainder of the game and was thinking "here we go again," but to his credit, he came back from it. I'm cautiously optimistic, and I think Quizguy above made a good point about accountabity under Zac Taylor. I love that Taylor is making players earn their jobs despite where they were drafted. Not only Ross, but Dalton and the offense's identity looked so much more intriguing than under the previous staff.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I don't think it was - I think Seattle outsmarted themselves there. I'm sure they watched the film of Dalton's tendency to underthrow balls. The Seahawk positioned himself for the underthrow. But instead Dalton's throw was right where it need to be.
-QG
I love that so many people aren’t buying into this. It will make it easier for me to snag him off waivers this week.
He was a monster in college. Talent is not the issue with Ross. He oozes that. Injuries, confidence, and an inept coaching staff have been his problems.
He is now healthy, his confidence is now back, and the new coaching staff knows how to use him. His qb clearly sees the potential, this the 12 targets.
I need everyone to keep sleeping until after. Wednesday please! Lol
He was a monster in college. Talent is not the issue with Ross. He oozes that. Injuries, confidence, and an inept coaching staff have been his problems.
He is now healthy, his confidence is now back, and the new coaching staff knows how to use him. His qb clearly sees the potential, this the 12 targets.
I need everyone to keep sleeping until after. Wednesday please! Lol
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
I'm a buyer based on the coaching, he passed the eye test to me yesterday and sure seems like they'll be chucking from behind, he looked like a guy taken in the top half of the first round yesterday
Insein
Footballguy
I have top waiver priority this week. No RBs out there worth anything. All the other WRs scream week 1 flash in the pan. This is the only guy with pedigree and opportunity to be a big deal for his team. I'm thinking real hard about it. Is it fools gold or is this a guy in his 3rd year, finally healthy and finally going to put it all together.
az_prof
Footballguy
Definitely not fool's gold; he will produce all year and looks legit. But I wouldn't expect 12 targets every game.
hamsterdam
Footballguy
I certainly like him over the rookie WRs. I'm hoping to nab him without reaching into my pockets in FAAB.
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Footballguy
True, but Green is 31 years old and dealing with torn ligaments. He could end up being a shadow of his former self.
Manster
Footballguy
This is my line of thinking as well. I read an interview from earlier in the summer where he talked about not transitioning well to the NFL. Lots of expectations he didn't live up to. According to him, he's had kind of rebirth, re-awakening or whatever you wanna call it....im drinkin the koolaid!.....I'm not super concerned about AJ coming back as he's not the same guy he was several years ago.....hes still a stud, but he's got a lot of mileage on his body....him and Boyd can draw coverage so Ross can take the top off! If only he had more of a Wentz than a Dalton at QB!
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joey
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
New coaching staff... and he has some talent but has had struggles with health.
Going off this first game is pretty huge for him. If he can build some momentum, we could be seeing an old school 3rd year breakout.
Going off this first game is pretty huge for him. If he can build some momentum, we could be seeing an old school 3rd year breakout.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
What would you sell for?SELL SELL SELL...I'm not a believer...I don't think he's the next Tyreek Hill. I actually have him on 1 of my teams and was hoping for a game like this to unload...trade offers went out tonight
my 2 cents
-DD
I'm potentially buying from the non believers, just in case.
Devil_Dog
Footballguy
I'm trying to snag a 2020 1st but no takers and not really surprised...if he's the next Tyreek then that's probably the right price tag but have yet to find an owner who is on that wavelength.
I did get offered a 2021 2nd and I countered for an additional piece but no reply yet. I believe right now I could move for a 2nd rounder and that sounds about the right value but if he has anything close to wk 1 I think I could get more.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
It just seems to me that when offensive coordinators or head coaches change roles change, and that's what might be happening here. Concerns are the o-line, the flukiness of a couple of the plays (but otoh Ross also missed on a couple other good plays), and Green returning.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I was surprised I got him last night, clearly people did not watch much of the game outside the usual fan base of the two teams. I say that because all I saw on our league message board was he was a flavor of the week. 12 targets and a head coach that is offensive minded and wants to throw. I thought Dalton looked as good as I've seen him vs stiffer competition. And I think people should get ahead of this because the division is ripe with Cleveland a hot mess, Pittsburgh looks soft, this could be the number two team in the North and at the least looks functional on offense. Why can't Cinci feature two or even three WRs? AJ just got out of the walking boot and will take weeks to get all his motion back. I think Ross can have a couple more solid to big weeks and with Mixon on the mend, they're gonna throw and throw and throw...good stuff Rg
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Added bonus might be Cleveland twice and Miami in December during the playoffs if you make it.
The schedule looks pretty favorable with SF, @Buff, @Pitt , AZ...those are all good match ups while AJ is healing up.
The schedule looks pretty favorable with SF, @Buff, @Pitt , AZ...those are all good match ups while AJ is healing up.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
He's still only 23... Two months older than Deebo Samuel. 2 months younger than Terry Mclarin.
I wouldn't sell for anything less than a 1st either. Too much upside.
I wouldn't sell for anything less than a 1st either. Too much upside.
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This is madness. He was nigh upon unrosterable 10 days ago, and now you want no less than a 1st?
I haven’t moved him yet because no one in my league will pay a 2nd, but the instant that they will he’s off my roster.
I gave a late round 2019 first for him before the 2019 season started. Was betting on college production, draft capital, rebound from injury plagued rookie year. Thought I got completely hosed back then. I am fairly certain that the guy who traded Ross to me back then was rubbing his tummy and thinking he raped me. And now I am betting that guys wishes he had Ross back on his team.
sometimes it takes players a few years to break out in the nfl. with Ross it was a complicated mixture of factors causing him to bust in years 1 and 2:
1) injuries
2) incompetent coaching
3) confidence issues/mental stability
4) bad case of the dropsies.
So here we are in his third season. As of right now he is fully healthy. We all know that can change in an instant and he definitely has an injury prone label. But so does will fuller and everyone loves him and gushes about his upside although he’s never actually showed it BC he’s never completed a full season.
The incompetent coaching is gone and has been replaced by a coach who comes from the McCray coaching tree and wants to use Ross in the Brandon cooks role.
His confidence issues seem to be behind him although that can change with a few bad games. Who knows.
He still has the dropsies. But MAN did he flash his potential in week 1. He was every bit as explosive as marquise brown, who everyone was practically jizzing on themselves over in week 1. Brown was a first round pick in many rookie drafts this year and probably would have been even higher if not for the lis franc. Who knows? Brown could be injury prone too Lis Franc is a no joke type of injury
The difference? Ross is on a pass happy team with a better passing qb. Brown is in a run first team with a qb who is a better runner than passer and he got 4 targets instead of the twelve that Ross got in week 1.
If I asked you right now who you’d rather have straight up bw brown and Ross given everything stated above who would you take?
DropKick
Footballguy
I think you mean 2017...
People have plenty of concerns about Will Fuller and his ability to stay on the field. He also has a boom or bust nature. That is reflected in his value.
Brown is a new kid on the block and these guys also get most of the hype. Just the way it is..
We know more about Ross... Now, you may be right that the stars have finally aligned but the history on Ross is still out there and that is reflected in his value.
People value players differently. You are clearly invested in Ross and value him highly - probably higher than anyone else in your league. Simply means you won't be trading him anytime soon.
