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Aaron Hernandez Kills Himself - And according to the law, is no longer a murderer. (1 Viewer)
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Football Jones said:
Yep. Hernandez is clearly a victim here.
Really? You're able to pinpoint the date he first showed CTE markers?
That's pretty incredible, considering no doctor can.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I'm really surprised by the people discounting the CTE diagnosis. Like it couldn't have been a factor.
LOL.
LOL.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Because a lot of people suffering from CTE turn into murdering scumbags. Agreed.
babydemon90
Footballguy
I don't think most people are saying the CTE was the sole cause. It's likely it was a Contributing Factor. Add up all the contributing factors in Aaron's life, and you have a murderer. So yes, the bad influences, the drugs, whatever morality he acquired - there are dozens of contributing factors that lead to this (and for Seau), etc. CTE probably impacts everyone differently - it probably matters what part of the brain and what neurons get damaged, etc.. It probably matters what you do on your spare time (neuroplasticity and all that) to restore or rewire some of those neural pathways that got damaged. Bottom line of course is that CTE alone didn't cause this, but it likely played a part, and it doesn't hurt to dig into exactly what and how it impacts people's brains.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Well, some people are going to find a way to excuse any behavior including cold blooded murder, I guess. I'd sure like to see some kind of documentation that shows that CTE is causal in any way to a human determining to intentionally and willfully take the life of another human in anything other than defense of self or others. If you don't have that and you're still willing to give a guy like Hernandez the benefit of the doubt given his history and the actions he committed, I guess I'll refrain from responding further since it will obviously not make any impact on you.
Football Jones
Footballguy
"CTE? I thank that's a bunch a BS. It don't affect your thankin. That don't have anythang to do with it".
Right?
Football Jones
Footballguy
Nobody knows what effect CTE had on Hernandez, but common sense tells me it very likely played some kind of role in his downfall.
Advanced CTE is a devastating disease from all accounts. It has to be considered a possible contributing factor.
There's really no other way to look at it.
Advanced CTE is a devastating disease from all accounts. It has to be considered a possible contributing factor.
There's really no other way to look at it.
We know a lot more about CTE than we did a decade ago. There is still plenty we don't know.
We can speculate about the links between subsequently diagnosed CTE and cognitive or behavioral orders observed previously, but it is far from absolute gospel. I'm still waiting for the simple comparative study that sets a baseline for CTE incidence in the general population. Seems straightforward enough that it amazes me it hasn't been done.
Without that, we don't really even know how much more prevalent CTE is in football players than the general population. Certainly too soon to go down the "he was a football player so every crazy thing he did in life is due to brain injury" path. But that makes for the most sensational story.
We can speculate about the links between subsequently diagnosed CTE and cognitive or behavioral orders observed previously, but it is far from absolute gospel. I'm still waiting for the simple comparative study that sets a baseline for CTE incidence in the general population. Seems straightforward enough that it amazes me it hasn't been done.
Without that, we don't really even know how much more prevalent CTE is in football players than the general population. Certainly too soon to go down the "he was a football player so every crazy thing he did in life is due to brain injury" path. But that makes for the most sensational story.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I pretty much agree, but we still have to leave open the possibility & even likelihood it affected him negatively to some degree.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Ex-football players have killed more people than any other sport. Hernandez, Jovan Belcher, Rae Carruth, Lawrence Phillips, O.J. Simpson, plenty of others.
Maybe it's just because people with violent tendencies are attracted to a violent sport? Or maybe it's because the violent sport makes violent people more violent?
Just curious if you have a source for this?
There are after all a whole lot more ex-football players than there are ex-players of anything else in this country. Given the difference in roster sizes, we'd expect about 10x as many murders by ex-NFLers as we would by ex-NBAers, for instance.
Also, murders involving famous athletes are going to get more press than those involving non-athletes or athletes in minor sports. So we likely hear about more of them.
I honestly don't know, but I'd like to see whether the incidence of violent crime IS significantly higher in ex-football players vs. other sports, or the general public. Need more information to evaluate that though.
DropKick
Footballguy
Almost certain if effected him to some degree. However, AH has been the center of violence since he was 17 (that we're aware of). Long before college, long before the pros. Kind of lame to have empathy for this character or give him any kind of pass for the CTE.
From wiki:
2007 Gainesville bar fight
On April 28, 2007, according to a police report in Gainesville, Florida, 17-year-old Hernandez consumed two alcoholic drinks in a restaurant, refused to pay the bill, and was escorted out by a restaurant employee. As the employee walked away, Hernandez punched him on the side of the head, rupturing his eardrum. Although the police department recommended charging Hernandez with felony battery, the incident was settled out of court with a deferred prosecution agreement.[33][34]
2007 Gainesville double shooting
On September 30, 2007, five gunshots were fired into a car containing Randall Carson, Justin Glass, and Corey Smith while they were waiting at a Gainesville traffic light after having left a nightclub. Carson, a passenger sitting in the back seat who was uninjured, told police that the shooter was a "Hawaiian" or "Hispanic" male with a large build weighing about 230 lb (100 kg) and having many tattoos. Glass, the driver, was shot in the arm, and Smith was shot in the back of the head. He continues to suffer seizures as a result of the shooting.
Hernandez invoked his right to counsel and refused to talk to police, and no charges were filed at the time. However, due to his 2013 arrest and subsequent conviction for the murder of Odin Lloyd, Massachusetts authorities contacted police in Florida to try to determine whether Hernandez may have had a role in the 2007 shooting.[35]
2012 Boston double homicide
Hernandez was investigated in connection with a double murder that took place on July 16, 2012, in Boston's South End.[36] Daniel Jorge Correia de Abreu, 29, and Safiro Teixeira Furtado, 28, both immigrants from the Canary Islands who lived in Dorchester, were killed by gunshots fired into their vehicle.[37] On May 15, 2014, Hernandez was indicted on murder charges for the killings of de Abreu and Furtado,[38] with additional charges of armed assault and attempted murder associated with shots fired at the surviving occupants in the vehicle.[39] The trial began March 1, 2017.[40] The evidence was strongly based on testimony by a man who was a known drug dealer. On April 14, 2017, Hernandez was acquitted of the murders and most of the other charges. He was found guilty of illegal possession of a handgun.[41]
2013 Miami shooting of Alexander Bradley
On June 13, 2013, Alexander S. Bradley, described as a friend of Hernandez,[42][43] filed a civil lawsuit for damages against Hernandez in a Florida federal court. Bradley claimed that on February 13, 2013, Hernandez had shot him while the two were riding in a car on Interstate 95 in Palm Beach County, following an altercation at a Miami strip club. Bradley alleged that he lost his right eye as a result. At the time, when police came to assist Bradley, he declined to name his assailant. No arrest was made. Bradley's lawsuit was dismissed on June 17, 2013, as a result of incorrect paperwork; his attorney refiled it on June 19, 2013.[44][45]
On September 3, 2013, Hernandez's lawyers filed a postponement request in federal court until his murder charges were resolved. They said it would be legally unfair to Hernandez to permit the lawsuit to continue while he was on trial in the shooting death of 27-year-old Odin Lloyd.[citation needed] In February 2016, Hernandez reached a settlement with Bradley over the lawsuit. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed.[46]
On May 11, 2015, Hernandez was indicted for witness intimidation in relation to the 2013 shooting of Bradley, since Bradley was reportedly a witness to the 2012 Boston double homicide. The intimidation charge for Hernandez carried a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison.[47][48][49]
This charge was included in the trial that began March 1, 2017, for the 2012 Boston double homicide.[50] He was later acquitted of the charge of witness intimidation by a jury on April 14, 2017. They also acquitted Hernandez of all other charges in the murders of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado, except for finding him guilty on one count of illegal possession of firearms.[51]
2013 murder of Odin Lloyd
Main article: Murder of Odin Lloyd
Aaron Hernandez
Criminal penaltyLife imprisonment without the possibility of parole
Conviction(s)First-degree murder
Capture status
Deceased
Killings
VictimsOdin Lloyd
DateJune 17, 2013
On June 18, 2013, the police searched Hernandez's house in North Attleboro for several hours in connection with an investigation into the shooting death of a friend, Odin Lloyd. Lloyd's body was found in an industrial park about a mile from Hernandez's house with multiple gunshot wounds to the back and chest.[52][53] The Massachusetts State Police obtained a search warrant after evidence surfaced that Hernandez had intentionally destroyed his home security system. A cell phone belonging to Hernandez was turned over to police "in pieces" and Hernandez allegedly hired a "team of house cleaners" the same day Lloyd's body was discovered, raising additional suspicion.[54]
On June 20, 2013, the Boston Herald reported the Patriots had "barred" Hernandez from Gillette Stadium.[55] According to NFL.com, Patriots owner Robert Kraft decided to have Patriots staff ask Hernandez to leave because he did not want Gillette to be "the site of a media stakeout".[56] The Boston Globe reported that Kraft, head coach Bill Belichick (who is also effectively the Patriots' general manager) and other members of the team's management had decided, given Hernandez's history, to cut ties with Hernandez if he was arrested on any charge related to the case. Reportedly, this decision was made a week before Hernandez' arrest.[57]
On June 26, 2013, Hernandez was handcuffed by police and taken into custody.[58] The Patriots released Hernandez from the team about 90 minutes later, before officially learning the charges against him.[57] Their press release stated:
A young man was murdered last week and we extend our sympathies to the family and friends who mourn his loss. Words cannot express the disappointment we feel knowing that one of our players was arrested as a result of this investigation. We realize that law enforcement investigations into this matter are ongoing. We support their efforts and respect the process. At this time, we believe this transaction is simply the right thing to do.[59]
Later that day, Hernandez was charged with first-degree murder,[60][61] in addition to five gun-related charges;[62] he was held without bail at the Bristol County Jail.[63]
Two other men were also arrested in connection with Lloyd's death: Carlos Ortiz on June 27, 2013, and Ernest Wallace on June 28, 2013.[64][65] Ortiz revealed to the police that Hernandez had secretly rented an apartment in Franklin, Massachusetts. A subsequent search of the apartment, according to the Associated Press, "turned up ammunition and clothing that police believe could be evidence in the murder case against him".[66]
On August 22, 2013, Hernandez was indicted by a grand jury for the murder of Lloyd.[67] On September 6, 2013, he was arraigned and pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder. He was held without bail but reserved the right to request bail later.[68]
On September 27, 2013, Hernandez's fiancee Shayanna Jenkins was indicted on a perjury charge in connection with Lloyd's killing.[69]
On April 15, 2015, Hernandez was found guilty of murder in the first degree, a charge that in Massachusetts automatically carries a sentence of life in prison without a possibility of parole; he also was found guilty of five firearm charges.[70][71]
Immediately following the conviction, Hernandez was temporarily transferred to the Massachusetts Correctional Institution – Cedar Junction, a maximum-security intake facility to begin serving his sentence. (It is located 1.5 mi (2.4 km) from Gillette Stadium where he formerly played for the NFL.) He was transferred to serve the remainder of his life sentence at the Souza-Baranowski Correctional Center, a maximum-security facility adjacent to the medium security Massachusetts Correctional Institution – Shirley
[scooter]
Footballguy
There are 672 NCAA football teams. At ~65* per squad, that's 43,680 players.
There are 1866 NCAA soccer teams. At ~25 per squad, that's 46,650 players. That includes both men and women. But if you excluded the women and just compared football players (44K per year) to men's soccer (23K per year), you'd still have to have several more ex-soccer murderers to catch up to the rate of football players.
Or, murderers who happened to be former soccer players didnt become widely known names in national news, thus associating their crimes with their athletic history. The popularity if football contributes to our awareness of murders anecdotally connected to football in ways that I dont expect apply to other sports.[scooter] said:
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
There sure is a lot of wild unfounded speculation in this thread.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Here is some wild speculation: a person from the time they are ~10 years old playing Pop Warner football to the time they are 30 years old are getting hit in the head over and over and over and over. Wild speculation tells me that something in their head ain’t gonna be right by the time they are 30. Their brain is going to be damaged in more ways than one from the confined abuse from football. The NFL should not take on the full burden though as kids played football with their parents permission and then on their own volition. But, trying to tell people that getting hit in the head won’t have an effect is ludicrous. I also believe that smoking helps people get cancer. Crazy, I know.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
How do you do triple life? That means if he dies, and comes back, he gotta go to the penitentiary! "The hell with kindergarten, kid, you comin' with us..."
- Richard Pryor
Only he didn't say "hell".
