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Ok, so they stood in their seat and did it?
If they stood in their seat and didn’t block someone else’s view. Why would I care?
I think CK's case is going to come down to finding emails or written proof that there was a conspiracy to keep him out of the league. I agree that the owners will back each other verbally if there's no written evidence that they should have destroyed a long time ago.
People show up to a football game to watch what the players do during the anthem?
Why are players choosing the time in which the National Anthem is played for their protest?
So it doesn't interfere with the work they have to do and they can deliver the product they are paid to deliver.
Why not come take a knee when they enter the field prior to pregame stretching and warmups? Again, why during the anthem?
To be clear, you have no answer and are choosing to sidetrack the discussion? I should move on and realize not to engage you in a serious discussion?
Ignore is a valuable feature of this board if you choose to use it. I won't stop you, but will suggest again CK has said why the anthem numerous times.
I'm not asking CK. I'm asking you since you claimed "So it doesn't interfere with the work they have to do and they can deliver the product they are paid to deliver.". Doing it during the anthem is certainly considered disrespectful to some and kneeling before pregame stretching likely will not offend anyone. So again, why choose to do it during the anthem?
Oh sorry, I guess I wasn't clear. The reason I believe they do it during the anthem and not game time is so it doesn't interfere with the work they have to do and they can deliver the product they are paid to deliver
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem
You think people show up at piano recitals to hear other people's kids?
Thanks for the quote. I was always under the impression that it was a protest against police brutality. It appears it is a protest against the entire country. I wonder how he feels about all the services that are provided to him by this country.
You keep conflating a protest before the games start with a protest during a piano recital.
He was sulking like a petulant little kid because Gabbert beat him out and invented the reason
A piano recital is a fine example. Almost nobody goes to a piano recital to see all the other kids perform. They are there for their kids performance. Just because they dont care about the other kids, doesn't mean somebody else doesnt.
I'm sure they'll say that it's not about the fans, it's about the players. But the players have been "disrespecting the flag" by violating the Flag Code for years:
Again, there would be no interference with any kids performance if the protest was done before, not during the recital.
To some extent this is true, but that's because all protests work this way. If you have a problem with people seeking to bring attention to their cause than you have a problem with the very concept of a protest.
You are ignoring intent. I think most people would find it inappropriate if somebody wore a shirt that had somebody wiping their butt with the flag. Somebody just wearing a shirt with the flag would only upset a few people that were strict followers of flag code.
And you are looking for intent.
Kind of like how there would be no interference if kneeling was done before the anthem. You are trying to make some warped inference that nobody cares about the anthem and that it is some lala land of before the game and it isnt actually a performance. It is an event. It is televised. People talk about it, people replay it. They get special guests to do it. They replay and count on chicago radio all the time how long a singer held certain notes. It is disingenuous to argue otherwise.
LOL at moral outrage nonsense. Come on man @timschochet has mentioned several times that point of most protests are to make people uncomfortable so action gets taken. They are protesting during the anthem because they know it's considered disrespectful by many people and making people angry gets them attention. Otherwise if they were protesting police brutality they would protest at the police station. Or if they are protesting laws that aren't fan to black people they would protest at city hall or governor's office or somewhere where people actually make laws. But NFL pregame during the anthem gets the most people pissed off and the most attention.
From a position in the middle - not pro- or anti-Kaep:
Actually almost everyone goes to see other kids perform. I only know me and a couple other to go see my kid.
I think they show up to see their kid...and are expected to not disrupt while other kids are playing...so others can enjoy their kids.
But your example would still be disruptive to others who wish to watch the performance.
What is the intent of the kneeling? Is it's intent to disrespect the flag, soldiers, anthem?
Yes it is an event but the purpose of the televised event is patriotic propaganda that was encouraged by the DOD in the form of payments to teams for many years for having the anthem played/performed before games. (and some teams may still be receiving funds, but I can't swear to that and don't have the time to research it). Now, promoting patriotism is a fine purpose but for many teams the goal may have been more monetary that patriotic (if one wishes to be cynical).
Are you honestly going to stand there and tell me nobody enjoys watching the anthem or the anthem being played doesn't have special meaning for some people?
Yeah, it is only because of the deal from 2009 that people care about the performance. just stop already.
Um, no, despite you continually accusing me of that, I have never said that no one enjoys watching the anthem, nor that it doesn't have speical meaning for some people. I am sure that there are many people that do and that it does - but that begs the question: Why were they not complaining about the lack of most regular season games not televising the anthem prior to the kneeling protests becoming newsworthy?
Strange distinctions you make.
And they were looking at the flag or Whitney. Not some guy kneeling in the sidelines who is no distraction from what Whitney lip synced.
Hmmmmm... Seems like I have seen this argument before. Interesting that this is the side you come down on. Will definitely make a note of that.
Pretty sure nobody was kneeling, but just to be clear. Are you saying that if one of the players would have kneeled that nobody would have noticed it?
I was talking about your first example of going on stage.
I remember you saying you didn't have an issue with somebody standing in their seat as long as they didn't block the view or cause any commotion (it would inevitably block the view and no matter where they were if they were protesting in that scenario it would cause a commotion.)
