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Just now, CalBear said:

Hundley was terrible. He went 3-6 and threw 12 picks and only 9 TDs in 9 games. (Kaepernick has never thrown more than 10 picks in a season).

If the Pack went 4-5 during that stretch they'd probably have made the playoffs. Could Kaepernick have given them one more win over Hundley? Like in the game against New Orleans where Hundley threw for a total of 87 yards and they lost by 9? Or against Minnesota where they lost 16-0 and Hundley threw for 130 yards and two picks?

Ok, I think we're done here... :lmao:

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20 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

CK has had chances in the league. HE ALSO OPTED OUT OF HIS OWN CONTRACT, 

There were so many false or misleading statements in your post I don't have the time or energy to address them all, but the bolded I will. GM John Lynch has stated publically that Kaep opted out of his contract by mutual agreement and that he would have been cut if he didn't.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/

John Lynch: 49ers would have cut Kaepernick if he hadn’t opted out

One of the popular narratives regarding Colin Kaepernick’s lingering unemployment is that he has only himself to blame after opting out of his 49ers contract. This flawed assumption overlooks the fact that the 49ers would have cut Kaepernick if he hadn’t opted out.

“HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!?!?” some of you have said in response. Here’s how. 49ers G.M. John Lynch said so on Wednesday, in a PFT Live interview to be aired later this week.

“Yes,” Lynch said regarding whether Kaepernick would have been cut if he hadn’t opted out, “and we had that conversation with him. So I don’t want to characterize it as he made a decision to leave here. We both sat down and under that current construct of his deal, it was a big number. [Coach] Kyle [Shanahan] had a vision for what he wanted to do, and one thing I think Kyle was very clear and I think Colin appreciated, is that Kyle has an idea of how he’d play with Colin Kaepernick. But he preferred to run the exact offense that he ran in Atlanta last year that was record-breaking in this league. And if you change it for the quarterback, you change it for everybody on that offense.  So he had a great discussion that I think gave Colin clarity, so we moved on. Brian Hoyer was one of the guys we pursued. Once we pursued him, we didn’t see Kaep as a backup that would really fit in that scheme and we communicated that to him. So I think we’ve been very up front with it. But I think that is a fair characterization.  Yes, he was not going to be here under the construct of his contract.  We gave him the option, ‘You can opt out, we can release you, whatever.’ And he chose to opt out, but that was just a formality.”

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, squistion said:

There were so many false or misleading statements in your post I don't have the time or energy to address them all, but the bolded I will. GM John Lynch has stated publically that Kaep opted out of his contract by mutual agreement and that he would have been cut if he didn't.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/

John Lynch: 49ers would have cut Kaepernick if he hadn’t opted out

One of the popular narratives regarding Colin Kaepernick’s lingering unemployment is that he has only himself to blame after opting out of his 49ers contract. This flawed assumption overlooks the fact that the 49ers would have cut Kaepernick if he hadn’t opted out.

“HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!?!?” some of you have said in response. Here’s how. 49ers G.M. John Lynch said so on Wednesday, in a PFT Live interview to be aired later this week.

“Yes,” Lynch said regarding whether Kaepernick would have been cut if he hadn’t opted out, “and we had that conversation with him. So I don’t want to characterize it as he made a decision to leave here. We both sat down and under that current construct of his deal, it was a big number. [Coach] Kyle [Shanahan] had a vision for what he wanted to do, and one thing I think Kyle was very clear and I think Colin appreciated, is that Kyle has an idea of how he’d play with Colin Kaepernick. But he preferred to run the exact offense that he ran in Atlanta last year that was record-breaking in this league. And if you change it for the quarterback, you change it for everybody on that offense.  So he had a great discussion that I think gave Colin clarity, so we moved on. Brian Hoyer was one of the guys we pursued. Once we pursued him, we didn’t see Kaep as a backup that would really fit in that scheme and we communicated that to him. So I think we’ve been very up front with it. But I think that is a fair characterization.  Yes, he was not going to be here under the construct of his contract.  We gave him the option, ‘You can opt out, we can release you, whatever.’ And he chose to opt out, but that was just a formality.”

 

 

 

So he opted out of his own contract is what you are saying?

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3 hours ago, squistion said:

There were so many false or misleading statements in your post I don't have the time or energy to address them all, but the bolded I will. GM John Lynch has stated publically that Kaep opted out of his contract by mutual agreement and that he would have been cut if he didn't.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/05/31/john-lynch-49ers-would-have-cut-kaepernick-if-he-hadnt-opted-out/

John Lynch: 49ers would have cut Kaepernick if he hadn’t opted out

One of the popular narratives regarding Colin Kaepernick’s lingering unemployment is that he has only himself to blame after opting out of his 49ers contract. This flawed assumption overlooks the fact that the 49ers would have cut Kaepernick if he hadn’t opted out.

“HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?!?!?” some of you have said in response. Here’s how. 49ers G.M. John Lynch said so on Wednesday, in a PFT Live interview to be aired later this week.

“Yes,” Lynch said regarding whether Kaepernick would have been cut if he hadn’t opted out, “and we had that conversation with him. So I don’t want to characterize it as he made a decision to leave here. We both sat down and under that current construct of his deal, it was a big number. [Coach] Kyle [Shanahan] had a vision for what he wanted to do, and one thing I think Kyle was very clear and I think Colin appreciated, is that Kyle has an idea of how he’d play with Colin Kaepernick. But he preferred to run the exact offense that he ran in Atlanta last year that was record-breaking in this league. And if you change it for the quarterback, you change it for everybody on that offense.  So he had a great discussion that I think gave Colin clarity, so we moved on. Brian Hoyer was one of the guys we pursued. Once we pursued him, we didn’t see Kaep as a backup that would really fit in that scheme and we communicated that to him. So I think we’ve been very up front with it. But I think that is a fair characterization.  Yes, he was not going to be here under the construct of his contract.  We gave him the option, ‘You can opt out, we can release you, whatever.’ And he chose to opt out, but that was just a formality.”

 

 

 

He was gonna get cut long before his protest. Chip and company didn't cut him after protesting because of the liberal #### storm they would've had with being in SF. There were reports well before he kneeled he was in danger f getting cut. 

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34 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

He was gonna get cut long before his protest. Chip and company didn't cut him after protesting because of the liberal #### storm they would've had with being in SF. There were reports well before he kneeled he was in danger f getting cut. 

Why would there be a "liberal #### storm" if they cut him before he started kneeling? It wasn't a political issue until then

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25 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

How is your response any better than 

:lmao:

 

Unlike your rolling smiley it actually was obviously referring to something, in this case to this bolded section:

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They voted for him because they didn't want the media storm from the CK Jock huggers that if he didn't get the award they'd make a huge deal out of it

When you do the smiley it is that buy itself with no reference point, usually not even attached to a quote, so no one knows what you are laughing at or about or referring to. My point was I was pointing out the absurd claim that he was considered a good team mate, as the 49ers award proves the contrary.

And if you are agreeable, I will work out a deal with you, I won't use either :rolleyes: or :hophead: in responding to your posts, if don't use :lmao: in responding to mine.

Deal?

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Just now, squistion said:

 

Unlike your rolling smiley it actually was obviously referring to something, in this case to this bolded section:

When you do the smiley it is that buy itself with no reference point, usually not even attached to a quote, so no one knows what you are laughing at or about or referring to. My point was I was pointing out the absurd claim that he was considered a good team mate, as the 49ers award proves the contrary.

And if you are agreeable, I will work out a deal with you, I won't use either :rolleyes: or :hophead: in responding to your posts, if don't use :lmao: in responding to mine.

Deal?

No deal. When I see something funny it makes me laugh. 

Thanks for the offer though

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20 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

No deal. When I see something funny it makes me laugh. 

Thanks for the offer though

There are other emojis that you can use. :lol: :D

OK, fine, since you won't deal, I will not respond to your future posts, so please refrain from asking me direct questions or to comment on something you have said, because I won't answer. :hophead: (FYI in this context that is expressing chattering) 

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1 minute ago, squistion said:

There are other emojis that you can use. :lol: :D

OK, fine, since you won't deal, I will not respond to your future posts, so please refrain from asking me direct questions or to comment on something you have said, because I won't answer. :hophead: (FYI in this context that is expressing chattering) 

Dude, take a break from the board for awhile for your own sake.  You're taking things way too seriously

This isn't that important

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54 minutes ago, Wise Old Owl said:

Why would there be a "liberal #### storm" if they cut him before he started kneeling? It wasn't a political issue until then

I meant to say it would be a #### storm if they cut him after he knelt. Theres some theories out there CK started kneeling after hearing he could very likely be cut. 

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1 hour ago, squistion said:

 

Unlike your rolling smiley it actually was obviously referring to something, in this case to this bolded section:

When you do the smiley it is that buy itself with no reference point, usually not even attached to a quote, so no one knows what you are laughing at or about or referring to. My point was I was pointing out the absurd claim that he was considered a good team mate, as the 49ers award proves the contrary.

And if you are agreeable, I will work out a deal with you, I won't use either :rolleyes: or :hophead: in responding to your posts, if don't use :lmao: in responding to mine.

Deal?

:lmao:

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44 minutes ago, squistion said:

There are other emojis that you can use. :lol: :D

You're fine with those two but not :lmao:.   Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

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The fact this thread is still going, and discussing the kneeling, politics, etc way more than the football aspect of Kap, is exactly why he doesn't have a job.

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7 hours ago, CalBear said:

Because he's better than 90% of the backup QBs, and at least 25% of the starting QBs in the NFL, and he doesn't have a job.

Then stand the hell up.

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On 4/13/2018 at 7:19 AM, daveR said:

If the rules of a workplace demand that you become a distributor of child porn, would you comply?  Why not?  If you were Jewish & the corporation demanded that all employees become Hindu?  If you were a pacifist and they required that you enlist?  What if they required that you leave your family?

In this case, they are demanding that he give up his stance on racism.  For me, that is selling one's soul -- giving up on something vitally important for a job.  

No, they're not.

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8 minutes ago, DallasDMac said:

The fact this thread is still going, and discussing the kneeling, politics, etc way more than the football aspect of Kap, is exactly why he doesn't have a job.

Or maybe this thread is still going because he is remains in the news at least on a weekly basis (if not more frequently) tied to his collusion grievance and people seeing (in their opinion) inferior QBs being signed as backups

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19 minutes ago, BigJim® said:

We're talking about him because he's suing the NFL, and visiting teams with a "yeah, I plan to continue to be a disruption" sales pitch. And BTW- if backup QB is what you think kept the Packers out of the playoffs.... well...

Hundley was terrible. He went 3-6 and threw 12 picks and only 9 TDs in 9 games. (Kaepernick has never thrown more than 10 picks in a season).

If the Pack went 4-5 during that stretch they'd probably have made the playoffs. Could Kaepernick have given them one more win over Hundley? Like in the game against New Orleans where Hundley threw for a total of 87 yards and they lost by 9? Or against Minnesota where they lost 16-0 and Hundley threw for 130 yards and two picks?

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9 minutes ago, CalBear said:

Hundley was terrible. He went 3-6 and threw 12 picks and only 9 TDs in 9 games. (Kaepernick has never thrown more than 10 picks in a season).

If the Pack went 4-5 during that stretch they'd probably have made the playoffs. Could Kaepernick have given them one more win over Hundley? Like in the game against New Orleans where Hundley threw for a total of 87 yards and they lost by 9? Or against Minnesota where they lost 16-0 and Hundley threw for 130 yards and two picks?

NO would've feasted on him and the Viking's defense would've made him wish he wasn't signed. Minn D was great this year until they ran into Nick Foles who quite frankly is a worlds better QB then Kaepernick too. 

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There's been no indication Kaepernick is willing to take a significant pay cut to come in as a backup...until that happens he will remain unemployed...regardless of the kneeling issue.

Teams want either a cheap veteran or up-and-coming developmental QB.  For reference RGIII's new salary is $1 million plus incentives.

As far as competing for a starter's job, it's just not gonna happen for a guy who hasn't played a regular season game in 2.5 years.

 

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Kap has the right to protest in many ways

NFL teams has the right to hire players in many ways

If what Kap brings in is game isn't worth what he brings in political and negative image ways, then teams will not hire him. Kap makes his decisions, teams react accordingly.

This is fair and how it should be.

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4 hours ago, squistion said:

Or maybe this thread is still going because he is remains in the news at least on a weekly basis (if not more frequently) tied to his collusion grievance and people seeing (in their opinion) inferior QBs being signed as backups

You should probably work on your comprehension a bit. I didn't attempt to give any reason whatsoever as to why the thread was still going. I gave the reason Kap is still out of work.

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2 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

NO would've feasted on him and the Viking's defense would've made him wish he wasn't signed. Minn D was great this year until they ran into Nick Foles who quite frankly is a worlds better QB then Kaepernick too. 

Of the 16 teams New Orleans played, Hundley's performance was by far the worst. The second worst was Tampa Bay (Winston being another QB Kaepernick is better than) which got 113 yards passing, and then Miami (Jay Cutler being another QB Kaepernick is better than) which got 128. New Orleans also did well against Tyrod Taylor and Bryce Petty, two more QBs Kaepernick is better than. The only QB who they did well against who was clearly better than Kaepernick was Cam Newton.

Minnesota killed Hundley, but also played well against Andy Dalton, Mitch Trubisky, and Joe Flacco. If you needed further evidence that there are a lot of NFL teams in need of a decent QB.

 

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14 hours ago, CalBear said:

Because he's better than 90% of the backup QBs, and at least 25% of the starting QBs in the NFL, and he doesn't have a job.

It's amazing that knowledgeable football fans actually believe this...

What's hilarious is the comparison of his stats in his final 5 games to Garoppolo's 5 games.... yea the raw stats are similar. The problem is Kaepernick had a worse QBR than Gabbert his last year and went 1-4 while Garoppolo went flawless. 

He's an athletic guy but he's a ####ty NFL QB. VInce Young flashed too, but 5 years later he was outta the league... same timeframe as Kaepernick. He's just the latest in a line of promising athletic QBs that got "figured out".

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17 minutes ago, chinawildman said:

It's amazing that knowledgeable football fans actually believe this...

What's hilarious is the comparison of his stats in his final 5 games to Garoppolo's 5 games.... yea the raw stats are similar. The problem is Kaepernick had a worse QBR than Gabbert his last year and went 1-4 while Garoppolo went flawless. 

He's an athletic guy but he's a ####ty NFL QB. VInce Young flashed too, but 5 years later he was outta the league... same timeframe as Kaepernick. He's just the latest in a line of promising athletic QBs that got "figured out".

I'm not comparing the stats of his final 5 games. I'm talking about his career stats, by which he's the 16th overall in passer rating among active QBs. Vince Young, by comparison, had a 74.4 passer rating; Kaepernick is 88.9. Which is better, by the way, than Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Matt Stafford, or Derek Carr, let alone another 20-30 crappy QBs who have jobs. The comparison to Vince Young is simply lazy.

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19 hours ago, PhantomJB said:

There's been no indication Kaepernick is willing to take a significant pay cut to come in as a backup...until that happens he will remain unemployed...regardless of the kneeling issue.

Teams want either a cheap veteran or up-and-coming developmental QB.  For reference RGIII's new salary is $1 million plus incentives.

As far as competing for a starter's job, it's just not gonna happen for a guy who hasn't played a regular season game in 2.5 years.

 

And the NFL and owners will use this in their arguments as well. CK took a chance and agreed to void his injury clause and opt out with SF. He took a chance thinking he could get more in FA and when teams didn't budge he cried wolf and used the protest as his excuse. Instead of acting like an adult and saying maybe I need to take a significant pay cut to just latch on somewhere. Teams want Cheap options and some teams will take a cheap reclamation project like CK and think they can fix them if he decided on that.  

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17 hours ago, CalBear said:

Of the 16 teams New Orleans played, Hundley's performance was by far the worst. The second worst was Tampa Bay (Winston being another QB Kaepernick is better than) which got 113 yards passing, and then Miami (Jay Cutler being another QB Kaepernick is better than) which got 128. New Orleans also did well against Tyrod Taylor and Bryce Petty, two more QBs Kaepernick is better than. The only QB who they did well against who was clearly better than Kaepernick was Cam Newton.

Minnesota killed Hundley, but also played well against Andy Dalton, Mitch Trubisky, and Joe Flacco. If you needed further evidence that there are a lot of NFL teams in need of a decent QB.

 

I hate Winston but he's way better then CK. Even all the QB's you mentioned. Kapernick was only good when he had a gimmick offense he could run no one knew how to stop and I'm also not Taylor fan but I'd take Taylor too who's proven capable of playing without the gimmicky offense. Heck I'd take Buttfumble at QB if it was between those two. The dude couldn't even beat out and lost his job to Blain Gabbert. That's worth repeating anytime anyone says CK is better then so and so. Really because those QB's would've beaten out Gabbert by wide margin but somehow Kaepernick is better then them? 

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5 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

I hate Winston but he's way better then CK. Even all the QB's you mentioned. Kapernick was only good when he had a gimmick offense he could run no one knew how to stop and I'm also not Taylor fan but I'd take Taylor too who's proven capable of playing without the gimmicky offense. Heck I'd take Buttfumble at QB if it was between those two. The dude couldn't even beat out and lost his job to Blain Gabbert. That's worth repeating anytime anyone says CK is better then so and so. Really because those QB's would've beaten out Gabbert by wide margin but somehow Kaepernick is better then them? 

So you're saying that his early-career passing numbers, which were very impressive, don't count because it was a "gimmicky offense", whatever that means, and that his later-career passing numbers, which are still better than everyone I mentioned, don't count because "teams were playing soft defense."

So, I'll grant that if you ignore all of Kaepernick's actual results as an NFL quarterback, his results as an NFL quarterback don't look so good.

 

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15 hours ago, chinawildman said:

It's amazing that knowledgeable football fans actually believe this...

What's hilarious is the comparison of his stats in his final 5 games to Garoppolo's 5 games.... yea the raw stats are similar. The problem is Kaepernick had a worse QBR than Gabbert his last year and went 1-4 while Garoppolo went flawless. 

He's an athletic guy but he's a ####ty NFL QB. VInce Young flashed too, but 5 years later he was outta the league... same timeframe as Kaepernick. He's just the latest in a line of promising athletic QBs that got "figured out".

It's a terrible excuse too. All those quarterbacks would easily beat Blaine Gabbert in a QB job competition but CK couldn't. SF used CK as a last ditched effort maybe for some comedy relief as well. Ck's problems go back to college. Maybe even HS. These athletes with big arms put at QB and never taught how to read a defense, proper routes being ran by receivers, and are manly gunslingers. They rely a lot on their athletic ability. HS/College they can get away with it. NFL you need to be an accurate passer or you'll be eaten alive at the position. Plus you shouldn't be pig headed when it comes to coaching and thinking you don't need it or better then everyone. One of the reasons an athlete like Vick stayed in the league was after his arrest and he got a chance in the NFL again under the Eagles he learned wow theres a lot I need to work on to become a better player at this position He committed to it and tried his best. He couldn't run some of the plays or still read a defense but at the very least he tried and that trying and learning a few things helped create a longevity he had in the nFL. 

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3 minutes ago, CalBear said:

So you're saying that his early-career passing numbers, which were very impressive, don't count because it was a "gimmicky offense", whatever that means, and that his later-career passing numbers, which are still better than everyone I mentioned, don't count because "teams were playing soft defense."

So, I'll grant that if you ignore all of Kaepernick's actual results as an NFL quarterback, his results as an NFL quarterback don't look so good.

 

No because you are only piggybacking off his good numbers without taking into account how they were gotten. You are giving me the same argument as people who use to try and tell me MCW was a great rookie. No his numbers were great because he was one of the only real NBA talents on the team and the rookie class was godawful. We also don't care about his early career passing numbers. This is a what have you done for me lately league. After his career season SF he started to decline. Some of that is skillset other stuff is Harbaugh and company's offense became too blatant and he failed to hide Kaepernick's weaknesses. Harbaugh's offense to hs credit made sure to not try and make CK a traditional QB. 

49ers and Kaepernick summary season by Season Links included in article of other seasons

The Gimmick offense is The Read Option offense. THat's aways traditionally been a College offense and never ran much in the NFL. Yes some aspects are in the NFL but not a a base offense which I discussed many teams figured out after 2 yrs or so how to defend this as a base offense. This offense is what Oregon and Chip Kelly ran that has a lot of fancy antics that relied on athleticism rather then pure football talent at times. This offense hid weaknesses of QB's like Kaepernick, RG3, Cam Newton and others who ran it in college. Now some of these QBs had better arms and more accuracy then Ck or RG3 or had teams who's coaches found other ways to protect their QB and no expose his weaknesses as much. People will blame RG3s injury or Shanahan etc. But based on teammate reports RG3 is to blame as he was never committed to getting better. Me first guy didn't think he needed to practice etc. Kaepernick similar but he also was babied by others in the organization top people (RG3 was as well but not at as badly as CK). Other reasons Kaepernick is on a decline is HE"s AN ATHLETE not a QB. He's never shown he can be an accurate passer and his running skills have declined. 

In your argument you forgot to include in his last season the team I believe only won 1 game while as a starter. His Net yards lost (Pass yards -Sack yards lost on a Sack = NET YARDS LOST) was the worst in the league. He was sacked top 3 for a QB who didn't start the whole year. Blame the Offensive line all you want but many times it was do to CK holding onto the ball too long or he didn't read the defense. You also forgot that he was top 5 in fumbles lost for skilled position players. And finally he had the WORST STATISTICAL FOOTBALL GAME IN NFL HISTORY HIS LAST YEAR AGAINST A TERRIBLE BEARS DEFENSE. Chris Wessling said it best in this article. Kaepernick isn't in demand do to decline skill set and his unwillingness to admit he's not an NFL starter. If I were to sign CK it'd be on a league minimum as my QB3-4 and tell him there's no guarantee at a roster. That's all he deserves at this point in his career. 

Wessling: politics aside Kaepernick biggest issue is skill set

here's another one from ESPN as well

Skill set not politics is why Kaepernic is unsigned

I should also mention no one is looking to sign a soon to be 31 YRs old as their starter. 

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On 4/14/2018 at 8:09 AM, Ilov80s said:

I’m just putting more of my trust in a labor lawyer and NFL expert than you. 

Florio's just advocating a position -- one that he knows brings him a bunch of clicks -- mostly from those that disagree with him.  Take a look at Westlaw or Lexis and you'll find plenty of times where the Courts did not agree with positions Florio advanced on behalf of his clients.

The moment I'm waiting for is when one of the players says that they want to kneel/stand forward/do jumping jacks/etc for gun rights, blue lives matter, or for victims of abortions or some other non-liberal viewpoint.  Now that the NFL has opened up its game and the national anthem for "protests" or demonstrations, they would be hard pressed to stop any demonstrations irrespective of the point being advanced.

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27 minutes ago, wakelawyer said:

Florio's just advocating a position -- one that he knows brings him a bunch of clicks -- mostly from those that disagree with him.  Take a look at Westlaw or Lexis and you'll find plenty of times where the Courts did not agree with positions Florio advanced on behalf of his clients.

The moment I'm waiting for is when one of the players says that they want to kneel/stand forward/do jumping jacks/etc for gun rights, blue lives matter, or for victims of abortions or some other non-liberal viewpoint.  Now that the NFL has opened up its game and the national anthem for "protests" or demonstrations, they would be hard pressed to stop any demonstrations irrespective of the point being advanced.

As it goes typically, 50% of lawyers are wrong. My point is not even that Florio is right. It's that he has a potentially legitimate argument worth hearing. Billy's take is that I am stupid and anyone that doesn't see things exactly like he does are also stupid. 

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On 4/15/2018 at 11:49 PM, CalBear said:

I'm not comparing the stats of his final 5 games. I'm talking about his career stats, by which he's the 16th overall in passer rating among active QBs. Vince Young, by comparison, had a 74.4 passer rating; Kaepernick is 88.9. Which is better, by the way, than Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Matt Stafford, or Derek Carr, let alone another 20-30 crappy QBs who have jobs. The comparison to Vince Young is simply lazy.

Please don't use "passer rating" as some kind of all-encompassing metric for effectiveness. Yea Kaepernick had a 90.7 rating his final season.... who cares? He was also 1-10 as a starter and had a worse QBR than Gabbert. QBR takes the contexts of game flow into account which should tell you he was basically a stat hoarder in garbage time in 2016. Once the Harbaugh gloves were off and he no longer had a running game and a #1 defense to support him the flaws were all too apparent. He's a gimmick QB that was en vogue during the read option era... hell even Tebow was a bonafide NFL QB for a short while at that time.

And believe me as a UT alum and a niners fan, the VY/Kaep holds up well... Both started w/ a bang running the read option. Both had me excited about their potential, but neither ever mastered their craft, they couldn't learn to read complex NFL defenses, and got progressively worse every season and were outta the league in 5 years because they don't have a place in the current pass happy NFL.

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18 hours ago, chinawildman said:

Please don't use "passer rating" as some kind of all-encompassing metric for effectiveness. Yea Kaepernick had a 90.7 rating his final season.... who cares? He was also 1-10 as a starter and had a worse QBR than Gabbert. QBR takes the contexts of game flow into account which should tell you he was basically a stat hoarder in garbage time in 2016. Once the Harbaugh gloves were off and he no longer had a running game and a #1 defense to support him the flaws were all too apparent. He's a gimmick QB that was en vogue during the read option era... hell even Tebow was a bonafide NFL QB for a short while at that time.

And believe me as a UT alum and a niners fan, the VY/Kaep holds up well... Both started w/ a bang running the read option. Both had me excited about their potential, but neither ever mastered their craft, they couldn't learn to read complex NFL defenses, and got progressively worse every season and were outta the league in 5 years because they don't have a place in the current pass happy NFL.

I use to telll people on another board CK would be out of the league in 5 yrs. Didn't believe me until it happened. Kept using things like Passer rating. A few of them were SJW I think though so no matter what kind of support I threw to back up my claims 2 yrs ago they wouldn't hear it. 

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It seems to me that talent-wise he lands in the middle of the bell curve, probably within one standard deviation, of all NFL QBs.  However, a lot of us are wont to make definitive statements.  That is, when a player is average or slightly below, you often hear, "He stinks.  He's a bust."  Human nature, I suppose.

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12 hours ago, daveR said:

It seems to me that talent-wise he lands in the middle of the bell curve, probably within one standard deviation, of all NFL QBs.  However, a lot of us are wont to make definitive statements.  That is, when a player is average or slightly below, you often hear, "He stinks.  He's a bust."  Human nature, I suppose.

The problem is CK's particular skillset isn't wanted in the NFL anymore. AN offense he did run well is no longer then norm. He also expects starter money when many teams view him as a back up

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2018/04/17/if-colin-kaepernick-lands-nfl-deal-adidas-interested/523434002/

If Colin Kaepernick lands NFL deal, Adidas leader says company would want to sign him

Adidas wants to sign Colin Kaepernick to an endorsement deal but has held off because the former 49ers quarterback isn’t on an NFL roster. 

Mark King, president of the athletic apparel and shoe company’s North America division, said Adidas doesn’t want to give the impression that it’s “taking advantage of this noise or interest that he had generated,” King said. “If he signs on a team, we would definitely want to sign him.”

King was referencing Kaepernick’s kneeling protests that rocked the nation last year. The demonstrations, in protest of perceived heavy-handed law enforcement tactics in minority communities that included the deaths of several unarmed black men, spread across the NFL, and drew condemnation from social conservatives and President Donald Trump, who considered them unpatriotic.

“We love athletes that have a platform to make the world a better place,” King said. “If they’re an activist in a way that brings attention to something that moves the world forward, even if there’s controversy at that moment, we’re really interested in those athletes because I think it represents the world today.”

King’s remarks came Friday in Phoenix during a question-and-answer session with Kenneth L. Shropshire, CEO of Arizona State University’s Global Sport Institute, at the school’s Global Sport Summit.

He said the position represents a shift over the last three years in which Adidas has come to represent an “intersection between culture and sports.”

“We’re not in the business of activism, we’re in the business of sport, " Kings said. "But allowing our athletes to tell their story, it’s really important to us.”

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On 4/15/2018 at 3:08 PM, squistion said:

NESSA @nessnitty 2h2 hours ago

NFL continues to blackball Colin Kaepernick, Eric Reid

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/nfl-continues-blackball-colin-kaepernick-eric-reid-article-1.3934591?cid=bitly

The source said the Seahawks wanted to know that Kaepernick wouldn’t kneel this season, and he was unwilling to give that assurance to them.”

Well... duh.

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4 hours ago, jonessed said:

The source said the Seahawks wanted to know that Kaepernick wouldn’t kneel this season, and he was unwilling to give that assurance to them.”

Well... duh.

Starbucks was founded in Seattle..what would you expect??

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AmnestyInternational‏ @amnestyusa 1h1 hour ago

We are honored to present this year’s #AmbassadorOfConscience Award to Colin Kaepernick (@Kaepernick7).

Colin embodies the true spirit of activism.

Thank you, Colin, for refusing to accept racial discrimination and injustice.

https://twitter.com/amnestyusa/status/987726064519712768

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AmnestyInternational‏ @amnesty 4h4 hours ago

"It is only fitting that I have the honor of Eric Reid (@E_Reid35) introducing me for this award. In many ways, my recognition would not be possible without our brotherhood," @Kaepernick7 said in his #AmbassadorOfConscience Award speech tonight.

https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/987775608901066752

 

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11 minutes ago, squistion said:

AmnestyInternational‏ @amnesty 4h4 hours ago

"It is only fitting that I have the honor of Eric Reid (@E_Reid35) introducing me for this award. In many ways, my recognition would not be possible without our brotherhood," @Kaepernick7 said in his #AmbassadorOfConscience Award speech tonight.

https://twitter.com/amnesty/status/987775608901066752

 

Well, they both have plenty of time on their hands for the award ceremony

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Colin Kaepernick‏ @Kaepernick7 11m11 minutes ago

“I would like 2 thank Amnesty International 4 The Ambassador of Conscience Award.But in truth,this is an award that I share with all of the countless people throughout the world combating the human rights violations of police officers.” @amnesty @yourrightscamp @RAVisionMedia

https://twitter.com/Kaepernick7/status/988163907377336321

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9 minutes ago, Dan Lambskin said:

He get signed yet?

It will be any day now, I am sure. :hophead:

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On 4/21/2018 at 7:18 PM, Ramblin Wreck said:

Well, they both have plenty of time on their hands for the award ceremony

Why does he still have the number 7 in his twitter handle or whatever the hell you  call that....

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42 minutes ago, Ditka Butkus said:

Why does he still have the number 7 in his twitter handle or whatever the hell you  call that....

When he set up his twitter account, he was on the 49ers, so just like email addresses, people tend to keep the one they are known for or first start with.

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