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Colin Kaepernick Thread and related anthem kneeling issues/news (3 Viewers)
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Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Man I really appreciate your updates.......But whenever I see you bump a thread of one of my Dynasty Players, I get a lump in my throat.Faust said:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
6 years and 100 million
This seems cheap to me
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@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
This seems cheap to me
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@RapSheet: For #49ers QB Colin Kaepernick: Its a 6-year extension worth up to $126M with $60M guaranteed, source says. Under contract through 2020
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eNdblu
Footballguy
Field Yates @FieldYates
So now there are 2 NFL QB's under contract through 2020: Colin Kaepernick and Jay Cutler.
So now there are 2 NFL QB's under contract through 2020: Colin Kaepernick and Jay Cutler.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.
Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.
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cstu
Footballguy
I see it the other way, that's a lot of money to guarantee to a QB who regressed last year.
I'm interested to see the details and find out if it's essentially a 4 years/$60M deal.
5Rings
Lurker
This regressed stuff is nonsense. Guy was playing with one arm behind his back with the crap at receiver he dealt with. Kap carried the team down the stretch and in the playoffs...again.
Dude is legit.
Big jump coming this year.
cstu
Footballguy
Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.
Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I feel like defenses figured him out. Blaming injuries for regression is weak sauce. He has trouble reading defenses, he locks his WR1 down and if he isn't open he takes off.
Russell Wilson was down his top two WR's for most the year and had multiple offensive line injuries yet he performed. Good QBs survive injuries to players......
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.
Maybe they are paying for future growth, but I see a great athlete, yet a QB that struggles to read defenses.
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I initially thought the deal was 6 for 100 and that seemed low to me
The 60 guaranteed and if the deal is in fact 126 than its a bad deal IMO
I'm not a fan of his at all
5Rings
Lurker
cstu
Footballguy
We have a different definition of 'carried'. As the end of the season he played well but he had some easy ones like the Redskins, Bucs and Falcons.
In the playoffs:
The Packers defense was terrible and he completed just 53% of his passes, though he did run all over them for 7/98.
Then it was the 49ers run defense that completely shut down the Panthers run game (13/33 for their RB's). Again, Kaep completely just 53% of his passes, but had just 8/15/1 rushing.
Again the Seahawks he ran the ball great (11/130) but complete 58% of his passes and through 2 INT's in the loss.
5Rings
Lurker
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Since the Seahawks are the best at everything in the history of the NFL, you should be comfortable with their having superior WR depth. Boldin is better than anybody SEA had without Harvin, but it would be better to have Tate, Baldwin and Kearse than Boldin and no other WR.Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Davis is a great TE, but that is still just two weapons, SEA also had a viable Zach Miller.
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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Although you try to dismiss me with your first statement, I'll play as typically you are a little more classy.......just last year before people called the hawks receivers pedestrian, plenty also said they thought they couldn't win with the WR's they had especially when Harvin and Rice were down. If at the beginning of last year you gave people the choice of Boldin, Davis, and 49ers WR crew or Tate, Baldwin, Miller, and crew people would have taken the 49ers.Since the Seahawks are the best at everything in the history of the NFL, you should be comfortable with their having superior WR depth. Boldin is better than anybody SEA had without Harvin, but it would be better to have Tate, Baldwin and Kearse than Boldin and no other WR.Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Davis is a great TE, but that is still just two weapons, SEA also had a viable Zach Miller.
If you swapped Wilson for Kaep I would argue Tate, Baldwin and Miller wouldn't look as attractive to you. Wilson makes them better the same way all good QBs make their WR core better.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Not being dismissive, just recognizing you are the biggest SEA honk (the classy remark is ironic given the shrill kiss the ring shtick 
). I do happen to think SEA had superior WR depth last year and it wasn't close. I'm surprised. The MUST win debate circuit is evidently more primal than the SEA is the awesomest at everything circuit. But by putting down the SEA WRs, that pumps up Wilson, which makes Kaepernick look worse in comparison. And that is what its really all about in this thread.
If Tate was a nothing that was purely a creation of greatest QB in the history of the NFL Wilson, it seems unlikely DET would have signed him to the contract they did.
Flip your thought experiment around. Which SF WR would you rather have after Boldin (with Crabtree out), than WRs like Tate, Baldwin and Kearse.
* We don't need to think of this in such a binary and black and white way. There are a spectrum or continuum of possibilities beyond Wilson's WRs are terrible but propped up by his awesomeness, and SF has great WR depth after Boldin but were dragged down by Kaepernick's terribleness. Those are caricatures of positions.
If Wilson is a wizard that turns nothings into dangerous WRs (that would conversely turn into pumpkins without Wilson), why sign Baldwin to an extension? They could just grab another in a stream of free agents, and slap any old WR in there with Wilson at QB. Is it possible Carroll is higher on Baldwin than you?
** When Kearse scored in the Super Bowl, that was a great play, right? Wilson didn't break the 2-3 tackles to get in the end zone. Do we really think A.J. Jenkins or Jonathan Baldwin make that play if Wilson had thrown it to them?
). I do happen to think SEA had superior WR depth last year and it wasn't close. I'm surprised. The MUST win debate circuit is evidently more primal than the SEA is the awesomest at everything circuit. But by putting down the SEA WRs, that pumps up Wilson, which makes Kaepernick look worse in comparison. And that is what its really all about in this thread.If Tate was a nothing that was purely a creation of greatest QB in the history of the NFL Wilson, it seems unlikely DET would have signed him to the contract they did.
Flip your thought experiment around. Which SF WR would you rather have after Boldin (with Crabtree out), than WRs like Tate, Baldwin and Kearse.
* We don't need to think of this in such a binary and black and white way. There are a spectrum or continuum of possibilities beyond Wilson's WRs are terrible but propped up by his awesomeness, and SF has great WR depth after Boldin but were dragged down by Kaepernick's terribleness. Those are caricatures of positions.
If Wilson is a wizard that turns nothings into dangerous WRs (that would conversely turn into pumpkins without Wilson), why sign Baldwin to an extension? They could just grab another in a stream of free agents, and slap any old WR in there with Wilson at QB. Is it possible Carroll is higher on Baldwin than you?
** When Kearse scored in the Super Bowl, that was a great play, right? Wilson didn't break the 2-3 tackles to get in the end zone. Do we really think A.J. Jenkins or Jonathan Baldwin make that play if Wilson had thrown it to them?
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MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Good for Kapernick, but I just don't think he's worth that type of money. I know the 49ers think he is, but man, that's an awful lot of loot for someone who is good, but not great. But then again, someone's paying Joe Flacco a ridiculous amount of money for average QB play.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
The way contracts escalate every year, it could look like a bargain as soon as this year. Does anybody not expect him to do better with Crabtree from the beginning of the season and Stevie Johnson?
There is some risk, but what was the option? Let him walk, and completely hit the reset button on the position?
There is some risk, but what was the option? Let him walk, and completely hit the reset button on the position?
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SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Is there a thread this guy doesn't ruin?
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
He's as deserving as Romo, Stafford, and Cutler. I'd guess he has more playoff wins than those dudes combined.
Vector
Footballguy
I think the Niners have hamstrung themselves for the next few years regarding salary cap. I don't think Kap was worth near that amount. Only time will tell, but this may mark a downward spiral for the Niners.
Alex Smith had a better W-L record with the Niners under Harbaugh than Kap did..... just sayin'.
Alex Smith had a better W-L record with the Niners under Harbaugh than Kap did..... just sayin'.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Hes not a better QB than any of those guys, unless your metric is how fast you are.
Vector
Footballguy
Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?Although you try to dismiss me with your first statement, I'll play as typically you are a little more classy.......just last year before people called the hawks receivers pedestrian, plenty also said they thought they couldn't win with the WR's they had especially when Harvin and Rice were down. If at the beginning of last year you gave people the choice of Boldin, Davis, and 49ers WR crew or Tate, Baldwin, Miller, and crew people would have taken the 49ers.Since the Seahawks are the best at everything in the history of the NFL, you should be comfortable with their having superior WR depth. Boldin is better than anybody SEA had without Harvin, but it would be better to have Tate, Baldwin and Kearse than Boldin and no other WR.Takes two people to complete a pass. Maybe with a little more touch on the ball some of those 26 would have been caught. His numbers are his numbers. Anything else is an excuse for failure.Running QB's are tough to gauge because they bring so more more to the table than a pocket passer. Cam is a horrible QB if you just judge him just on his passing but his running makes him very effective.A lot of cash for a guy that threw for 58% completion percentage.
Kaep also had a lot of drops last year (26) and if his receivers had caught the ball at the same rate as Russell's did he'd have a 61% completion rate.
Davis is a great TE, but that is still just two weapons, SEA also had a viable Zach Miller.
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
Run It Up
Footballguy
I didn't realize qualifying to start for a team made you a top 5 contract player, with the most guaranteed money.
Any decent young starter from here on out is getting $100m, especially with the cap jumping. That's just how it is.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Glad the NFL spent so long trying to squelch rookie contracts so they could immediately begin overpaying every game managing QB that makes it deep in the playoffs on a good team.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I never said he was. He's not worse than any of those either. I'm pretty sure he's had much better post season play.
Vector
Footballguy
biju
Footballguy
It cracks me up that this is what the SF fans concern themselves with: Not if this was a horrible deal for SF, but rather what they hope this does to Seattle's decisions.Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
cstu
Footballguy
As crazy as $20M a year to a guy who has played a year and a half is, it's way better than the old system.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Where did a Niner fan say this?It cracks me up that this is what the SF fans concern themselves with: Not if this was a horrible deal for SF, but rather what they hope this does to Seattle's decisions.Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
biju
Footballguy
ninersnation.com for one, but this has been the mantra (or the thought that the Seahawks have no cap space) for a while now. To be fair, that last part has been many misinformed fans, not just SF fans.Where did a Niner fan say this?It cracks me up that this is what the SF fans concern themselves with: Not if this was a horrible deal for SF, but rather what they hope this does to Seattle's decisions.Just wait, Seattle will have to make a similar contract decision with Wilson in a year or 2. Will they also mortgage their future to retain an athletic, mobile QB who only puts up moderate passing numbers?
I'm sure the Niner fans hope so
Gopher State
Footballguy
Hurts to be a sea chicken fan with Cap signed to a long term deal
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
What hip-hop look?
fatness
Footballguy
Run It Up
Footballguy
This makes the contract much less ridiculous, so I guess the Ravens maintain their deathgrip on the worst QB contract in the NFL.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@Edwerderespn: @LetsGoDoyers He didn't get $61 guaranteed.he got under 13. Can be cut any year with Niners owing nothing more
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