mozzy84
Footballguy
He man just telling you what I saw. You said no one was holding onto him when clearly there was.
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RB Kareem Hunt, CLE (4 Viewers)
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DJackson10
Footballguy
again we are talking about pro athletes. Not the brightest bulbs most of these guys. They got their college scholarship to these good schools for mostly on their athletic ability. We all know these schools will push them through and do anything to keep them eligible because of the money they make off of them and then send them off to the big bad adult world. You get the classes yeah but many of these guys think they are invincible never will happen to them. I had a financial situation I never thought I had resulting from my own doing. I felt the someway before the incident. That will never happen to me and then it did feeling.
Yes, but your point was in your own words, "No doubt he would have done a lot more damage if not held back". I think we can both agree that a small female would not be able to hold Kareem Hunt back from doing more damage if he had the intention to do so.
mozzy84
Footballguy
I was referencing when the two big guys both had him and he was spazzing more towards the beginning. I would agree with you on the female, but she did seem to help chill him out regardless.
DropKick
Footballguy
My morals are actually very similar to yours. I don't believe in hitting women either. But I certainly don't see this in the same context as "domestic" violence. She comes after him repeatedly and puts herself in close physical proximity. He pushes her away. I can't call that assault and I can't say she didn't ask for it. But the bottom line is that I doubt she was hurt here and, if she did get a bruise to her elbow, she deserved it.
In contrast, the stories I heard before I saw the actual footage may it sound like she was soundly beaten. Not the case.
DJackson10
Footballguy
To an extent yes thats what I'm saying to a degree. I'm against hitting someone for no reason. A co worker of mine was in a DV incident and the guy was complete scum. Was a member of the Warlocks but after they found out about it he lost his cut and he was the President of that Chapter too. She hid it from me for about 2 weeks. She's older then me and like the older sister I never had and I cried when she told me finally. Not just because it happened but also because she hadn't told me. I wanted to go after the dude myself but knew better not. Guys like that are lowlifes and thats no reason to hit a girl or woman no matter what. However if the women is gonna act like a fool and try to fight a guy and it seems like from just the video and NO AUDIO (So it's not easy to tell for sure) she's more of an instigator and aggressor. You want to act the fool don't be surprised if someone obliges you. Its why I said earlier I don't feel empathy of her getting hit. She was an idiot especially if she was spouting off racial slurs. I feel no sorrow or empathy for her. Like I had said if this was a guy people would've said good for Kareem or he's an idiot for hitting the guy but the dude was an #######. Why can't it be said the something about the girl if this is the case with this story? I'm by no means saying he handled things correctly. He's a dam fool for being baited into this. Like another poster said why is her friend filming the video instead of trying to pull her away and get her out of there? They knew exactly what they are doing. It's unfortunate on all sides of the isle here everyone involved including the league. Chiefs you can defend to a degree because without the video they wouldn't have known they were lied too.
I'm still the belief of the Bolded myself however if we want women's equality we shouldn't pick and choose what that should be. Let them get paid as much as a CEO as their male counter part, let them in the scouts if they want too, play mens sports if they want too etc. Still agree with separated locker rooms as you don't want an incident but you want women's equality be full force about it. Can't pick and choose. It makes you a hypocrite.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
I'm pretty shocked he was cut outright. I mean, really Chiefs?! They had to have known about the incident and video back in February. The release seems so knee-jerky and just poorly planned. If you know this incident and video exist, have a plan in place to deal with it whenever the coverup is exposed. DUH! That's like strategy 101. They should have had like 5 strategies dependent on scenario. Hunt will get scooped in a heartbeat. He is not done for good. No way.
Casting Couch
Footballguy
No and no.
Clark Hunt handled this quick and decisively once the video was made public. Kudos to him.
No one will touch this guy, he is toxic, and front offices will not want to deal with the public backlash of signing him.
Not good for my fantasy teams, but see it playing out this way.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
So... not to be “that guy”...
but if your trade deadline isn’t past... what would you trade for him in a keeper league?
but if your trade deadline isn’t past... what would you trade for him in a keeper league?
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
My deadline has passed this year. Offseason, I'm thinking starting with my 3rd rounder, most likely a back half pick (in a 16 teamer). Possibly go up to a 2nd if I'm feeling lucky. No way I'm giving up a 1st regardless of where in the round.
ETA: I personally don't place a huge value on rookie picks, mostly because my history shows I'm not that good at it lol.
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EYLive
Footballguy
I wonder if the team truly felt Hunt's actions were bad enough to warrant a release, or if they were just scared of the public "outrage".
Concept Coop
Footballguy
EYLive
Footballguy
I know this question wasn't for me, but I believe in equality in that assault of any type against any person should be prosecuted with the same severity. It shouldn't be tolerated, and neither should instigating a fight.
This is the list of teams that reportedly had permission from ownership to draft Joe Mixon. Raiders, Eagles, Saints, Vikings, Cowboys and of course Bengals. That's probably a good starting point for trying to predict where he ends up.
I wonder if Hunt wants to get claimed on waivers or not? Positive is it shows a team is willing to work with you but the negative is he'd go back to being locked on his rookie pay for two more seasons vs being a rare young low mileage RB on FA market. As crazy as this sounds, Hunt can actually financially benefit from this even if he had to play at league minimum next year but hitting UFA earlier then being locked into a third round rookie contract.
I wonder if Hunt wants to get claimed on waivers or not? Positive is it shows a team is willing to work with you but the negative is he'd go back to being locked on his rookie pay for two more seasons vs being a rare young low mileage RB on FA market. As crazy as this sounds, Hunt can actually financially benefit from this even if he had to play at league minimum next year but hitting UFA earlier then being locked into a third round rookie contract.
GregR
Footballguy
I don't know how much this actually played a role, but I'll highlight part of their statement:
Assuming he actually did lie to them about it, that could potentially flip some people from "we'll ride this out" to "we can't trust him going forward".
I don't know if that truly impacted the decision, or if it's just spin and they'd have released him anyway. I sincerely doubt anyone here does, but since it is at least plausible it could flip some people's decision, at least worth knowing about. (ETA: Just saw the other thread on it, imagine it's discussed there.)
Assuming he actually did lie to them about it, that could potentially flip some people from "we'll ride this out" to "we can't trust him going forward".
I don't know if that truly impacted the decision, or if it's just spin and they'd have released him anyway. I sincerely doubt anyone here does, but since it is at least plausible it could flip some people's decision, at least worth knowing about. (ETA: Just saw the other thread on it, imagine it's discussed there.)
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Kareem Hunt is not a top 5 RB overall. Situation wise he might have been. On the Chiefs. Depends where he goes. He was good there but I don’t think he’s that good. Generational talent kind of guy
Situation + talent. In this case situation has disappeared.
Situation + talent. In this case situation has disappeared.
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Donald D
Footballguy
That’s fine, but then your issue is not with punishing Hunt, it’s with the lack of punishment in cases of man against man violence. The solution is not to complain when a man is punished for assaulting a woman, since you agree that is the right thing to do.
IheartGuinness
Footballguy
What a piece of garbage. Bye-bye.
rockaction
Footballguy
Donald D
Footballguy
There are no excuses for what Hunt did. The woman was no physical threat to him. She was not armed. Yes, we have all done things we regret, particularly in our youth. And I have no doubt that if every minute of our lives were on video and released on the internet, we would all have things to try to explain. But many of you seem to think we have all shoved and kicked a woman, we just were lucky enough not to be caught on film. The fact that so many believe that is truly scary.
But that is irrelevant. One person getting away with a crime does not excuse another who is caught.
The Chiefs had no choice but to release Hunt. The only two possibilities are that the Chiefs are being truthful and Hunt lied to them about the incident, or the Chiefs are lying and Hunt told them the truth. But if it’s the latter, the Chiefs undoubtedly told him if any proof surfaced they would be forced to act. Either way, they had to release him.
So now Hunt is looking at a minimum 6 game suspension from the NFL, and most likely a full year followed by a review. Regardless of your feelings on shoving and kicking women, the NFL’s rules on the issue are very clear and Hunt obviously broke those rules.
Should he eventually get a second chance in the NFL? Maybe. If he is truly remorseful and does everything he can to prove it, maybe. But any team that takes a chance on him is in for a PR nightmare, even if it’s a couple of years down the road. If it were only a shove I think he could recover. But that kick most likely ended his NFL career.
But that is irrelevant. One person getting away with a crime does not excuse another who is caught.
The Chiefs had no choice but to release Hunt. The only two possibilities are that the Chiefs are being truthful and Hunt lied to them about the incident, or the Chiefs are lying and Hunt told them the truth. But if it’s the latter, the Chiefs undoubtedly told him if any proof surfaced they would be forced to act. Either way, they had to release him.
So now Hunt is looking at a minimum 6 game suspension from the NFL, and most likely a full year followed by a review. Regardless of your feelings on shoving and kicking women, the NFL’s rules on the issue are very clear and Hunt obviously broke those rules.
Should he eventually get a second chance in the NFL? Maybe. If he is truly remorseful and does everything he can to prove it, maybe. But any team that takes a chance on him is in for a PR nightmare, even if it’s a couple of years down the road. If it were only a shove I think he could recover. But that kick most likely ended his NFL career.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Where have I heard this line before? Was it the NFL when they suspended Brady? Or was it the NFL when they suspended Ray Rice? It's just too easy for management to claim that the player was "not truthful" when there's no way to disprove the claim.
It's just a CYA move, nothing more.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
first thing i thought. and i hate gruden but that's the direction the team is headed. shocked it wasn't them with foster.
beerbuff
Footballguy
I thought the same thing and I bet he would love to play for Oakland for the KC revenge factor. I'm thinking it won't happen til 2020 though.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Not true.
And again, Ive worked with these exact situations every weekend for over a decade.
So watched the video again. Obviously should never hit a woman (barring very extreme circumstances) but this was much different than the Ray Rice situation. He pushed and lightly kicked her but didn't throw any punches or anything, and we also don't really know the whole back story other than bits and pieces. And obviously he's an idiot, but I do think he'll get another chance in the league. I don't think he deserves more than a 6 game suspension, possibly could get 8 because of public opinion and the visual evidence.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Kudos for cuttya guy 10 months after the incident only because the video surfaced? Nah. He should’ve cut him in February. Cutting him now seems like it’s more about public perception than doing it for the right reasons.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
He won't be a UFA earlier. If he signs a 1 year deal he's an RFA in 2020. No player on an expiring contract is a UFA before having 4 accrued seasons. ERFA after 1 or 2, RFA after 3.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Not a small woman. With her heels she is more or less his height of 5'11.
You can see his power when he bowls into the guy, who bowls into her, sending both of them flying back many feet. The woman seemed groggy from the contact. She appears on rubber leg street when she gets up a bit wobbly and then goes and takes a knee. Seems far more force applied to her then than in the first shove or the kick.
I was a bit concerned for the woman who interceded. When he swiped her arm off of him I though she might get hurt. He did that with a fair amount of energy.
The kick was with less apparent force than I had anticipated when I first heard about this. I expected something much more energetic. It seemed more intended to humiliate than to hurt, like a guy kicking a recalcitrant stray dog out of his path. I am not certain how I come down on humiliation vs physical injury, but regardless, I am against either.
I wonder, though the kick did not look vigorous to me this is a professional running back. The power in his legs is enormous, even if he does not outwardly display much effort. What do you suppose this guy squats?
You can see his power when he bowls into the guy, who bowls into her, sending both of them flying back many feet. The woman seemed groggy from the contact. She appears on rubber leg street when she gets up a bit wobbly and then goes and takes a knee. Seems far more force applied to her then than in the first shove or the kick.
I was a bit concerned for the woman who interceded. When he swiped her arm off of him I though she might get hurt. He did that with a fair amount of energy.
The kick was with less apparent force than I had anticipated when I first heard about this. I expected something much more energetic. It seemed more intended to humiliate than to hurt, like a guy kicking a recalcitrant stray dog out of his path. I am not certain how I come down on humiliation vs physical injury, but regardless, I am against either.
I wonder, though the kick did not look vigorous to me this is a professional running back. The power in his legs is enormous, even if he does not outwardly display much effort. What do you suppose this guy squats?
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Having thought about it and asking my wife her opinion I think this...
Nobody was right here. But Hunt was more wrong. There was nothing he didn't have the ability to walk away from. And he got what he deserved in the end.
Nobody was right here. But Hunt was more wrong. There was nothing he didn't have the ability to walk away from. And he got what he deserved in the end.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Your takes whenever there is an incident between a football player and a woman are ... troubling.
jonessed
Footballguy
The NFL nor the Chiefs had a clear idea of what happened in February.
They tried unsuccessfully to obtain the video.
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Young 8
Footballguy
Young 8
Footballguy
Yeah, someone at TMZ must have faced Hunt in his fantasy playoffs or he's definitely not a Chiefs fan.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
I dont doubt that as a possibility...They held it all year, but drop it in week 13 of the NFL season? Until someone gives me a better reason why it was released now, what other reason can we deduce? Am I to believe TMZ just received it?
rockaction
Footballguy
It might have taken a lot of negotiation between unnamed sources, possibly money and a bribe.
TMZ has never been above stuff like that.
Not that it colors my view of the video. It just might explain the timing.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
I’m not sure how, but I bet that evil genius up in Foxboro is involved somehow.
CalBear
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Public outrage and according to them and reports Hunt was not forthcoming about the issue.
DJackson10
Footballguy
It should be equal ground. Like we both had said earlier if this was a guy despite Hunt assaulting the guy wrong people here would be good for him. When it's female involved it's like sac religious. People want equality for women but then we have stuff like this happen and when its guy on guy fighting it's boys will be boys but if it's on a female and they instigated it, it's well he's a scumbag. You preach women's equality and then say stuff like this you're a hypocrite. I don't think much of the incident until the last part where he kicks her. I think the kick is whats gonna do him in because in the video everything looks like the women instigated and he barely touched her.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
We'll find out no matter what. If The NFLPA gets involved and says Hunt told the truth and KC is just saving face well KC looks even worse for keeping him. Also if we are talking about Guys assaulting women then there's video of Zeke grabbing a girls breast without her Consent? Why weren't more people up in arms over that? SHouldn't Dal have released? My point is we seem to have double standards in sports when it comes to players no matter what. Yeah Zeke didn't go Ray Rice on the girl but it's still a form of assault. I'm glad he was punished and not because I'm an Eagles fan but the NFL needs to set a precedent no matter how talented you are certain low class behavior won't be acceptable. If I was the GM of a team who owned a Zeke and the owner said this video came out and she didn't consent to this and we do not tolerate this he needs to be gone. Well I'm gonna let him go. Not only does it set a precedent on my organization this won't be tolerated but now any team that signs him well thats some hefty PR they are gonna need to do defend taking said player on. We all know the NFL system and sports discipline system on these issues is broken. However and unfortunately the talent shouldn't out way what a player does. Like I've said this is a privilege to do what they do not an entitlement.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I'm calling out the hypocrisy. SO many people will say hunt is wrong but the next time they see a fan fight video with a guy and female and the female getting hit they'll say she deserved it. There's so many double standards it's troubling. Sorry if you are one of those and got "offended" for me calling it out. If this was some guy Hunt said we'd see things like dam Hunt is an idiot but the guy deserved it. We may not even see a suspension. Shady McCoy didn't get suspended for beating the crap out of the two off duty cops but I bet ya if they were women there'd been an uproar. There was even video of McCoy and his posey sucker punching the cop and then beating them on the ground.
