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RB Alvin Kamara, NO (2 Viewers)
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TheWinz
Footballguy
I disagree. They have the same catch % for their careers, at 79. I would go so far as to say Murray is the better receiver, since he has had far worse QB's throwing to him.
mozzy84
Footballguy
Ingram is a better all around running back than murray imo (regardless of catch %). If I had Kamara I would rather have Murray sitting behind him anyways. Sometimes Ingram would get an entire series or quarter for that matter. Don't see that with murray myself
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Jacksonke1
Footballguy
Fair point on catch % but Kamara has far exceeded Murray in usage in that area and his elusiveness and creativity lend themselves to the Saints offense.
I'm sure Murray can get his if Brees trusts him and has shown good hands and doesn't have many drops, but Kamara is tailor-made for the majority of receiving back duties in this offense in addition to the rushing he'll provide.
Have to see how it plays out until we know what we know.
TheWinz
Footballguy
I think you misunderstood me. I was comparing Murray to Ingram, not Kamara. Kamara's role will be the same, whether it's Murray or Ingram behind him.
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
The things that worry me about Kamara are unnecessary injury through:
(a) the highlight reel hurdles and getting drilled on the way down, or
(b) pulling up to quickly and being defenseless when he crosses the goal line
Otherwise nobody seems to get regular clean shots on him and if he produces like year 1 and year 2, then its all good.
(a) the highlight reel hurdles and getting drilled on the way down, or
(b) pulling up to quickly and being defenseless when he crosses the goal line
Otherwise nobody seems to get regular clean shots on him and if he produces like year 1 and year 2, then its all good.
zoonation
Footballguy
Kamara in line for more touches this year, according to source: https://twitter.com/ChrisRaybon/status/1162664582470672384?s=20
If has anything resembling a feature back role, top three lock with RB1 easily attainable.
If has anything resembling a feature back role, top three lock with RB1 easily attainable.
This is exactly what worried me last year when faced with the draft choice of Kamara vs. David Johnson.
Needless to say I won't be making the same mistake again..
Penguin
Footballguy
Jeff Duncan @JeffDuncan_
AK's workload will increase slightly from past years, primarily because of experience & the fact that Ingram is gone. Ingram was a Pro Bowler who needed touches to be effective. Plus, He's better than Murray. Kamara will get the call now in ALL key situations: red zone, 3rd down.
AK's workload will increase slightly from past years, primarily because of experience & the fact that Ingram is gone. Ingram was a Pro Bowler who needed touches to be effective. Plus, He's better than Murray. Kamara will get the call now in ALL key situations: red zone, 3rd down.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Bump for more clarity on Goal Line carries. Ingram definitely was in the mix getting inside the 2 when activated. I'm sure we'll see Murray get his 6-7 TD's.
At a #1 pick in a 12 team I prefer watching Kamara and the Saints over the other big 3 RBs' teams.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure would be nice but they went out and spent money than Ingram got as a replacement.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not sure how they’re hiding anything or that it’s speculative. He has a red cross on CBS and it’s being reported as an “undisclosed injury” - which at this point in the season could easily be a veteran rest day.
Your post is way too cryptic. There’s nothing nefarious I can see here - they’re reporting an injury, they just haven’t said what it was.
Doug B
Footballguy
The fantasy sites have picked up on it, yes. But the severity is completely unknown right. Murray might play Week One ... or he might miss a month
Payton’s not tipping his hand yet.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Either way draft kamara as the #1 rb this year imo.The fantasy sites have picked up on it, yes. But the severity is completely unknown right. Murray might play Week One ... or he might miss a month
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I find your language unnecessarily ominous.The fantasy sites have picked up on it, yes. But the severity is completely unknown right. Murray might play Week One ... or he might miss a month
its week 3 of the preseason. And a Monday, a day vets often have off.
I would be none surprised at all to see him back at practice with little fanfare.
if there were an injury of note or significance, why would Payton hide it? That’s not really his MO.
Doug B
Footballguy
I didn't mean that Murray missed practice yesterday ... I meant he missed last Thursday the 22nd:
Admittedly, nothing concrete there.
It appears that Murray did practice yesterday in the sense that he did not appear on a "players that sat out" list. I don't know, though, if he was a full participant, or off to the side stretching/rehabbing, or what.
Upshot: Murray's situation bears monitoring since he did sit out preseason week 3. But I have to admit that right this second, there's no concrete, publicly-disclosed cause for concern with Murray.
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Sean Payton absolutely has a rep for being cagey with injuries a la Bill Belichick. I spoke too strongly when saying "hiding" an injury, as though Payton was denying something -- he wasn't. Not sure he was ever asked anything point blank about Murray's availability vs. the Jets.
At the same time, Payton will not be especially forthcoming about injury specifics until weekly injury reports have to come out. During preseason, Payton likes to tell the assembled media things like "He has a leg" and "he has a shoulder" when describing preseason injuries. Those vague comments are local running jokes on sports radio.
Doug B
Footballguy
OK ... Murray did participate fully in Saints practice yesterday. Yahoo, Rotowire, and CBS fantasy sites going overboard in declaring Murray "Questionable" for Week One. Why would those sites put that out there?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I don’t get it. Are you a Kamara owner hoping for a Murray injury?
whole lot of reading between the lines here.
Murray practiced in full yesterday.
/concern
You’re being unnecessarily ominous here. And from what I recall, Payton releases injury reports when players are hurt.
There are a ton of players sitting out - the season starts soon & the Lamar Miller injury seems to have woken up some coaches.
The only one being cagey about any of this seems to be you.
Doug B
Footballguy
Reading this OP on another board started my line of posts here. Yahoo Fantasy Sports sent the guy a notification that Murray was Questionable for Week One vs. Houston.
I assumed Yahoo was on the money before looking into it all that deeply. That's all. And since if that report were accurate it would affect Kamara's value, I thought it was worth posting in this thread. I jumped the gun ... didn't think the major fantasy sites whiffed that bad on injury news. Now I know.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Week 3 of the preseason, every single year.
And remember - there’s no probable now. There’s only “questionable” or “doubtful” (or “out”)
so any missed time with any injury, disclosed or otherwise, will just be listed as “questionable” until a more specific update comes out.
Always good to be on top of the news, but sometimes you can’t assume too much from a veteran player missing a preseason game or holding out of practice.
joffer
Footballguy
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
I still marvel at his awareness of space and stop and start ability.
This is a weird example, but that receiving TD reminded me of it again when he slowed down and stopped immediately when he got in the EZ. Like he knew from the moment that he caught that ball, exactly what spot he was going to need to be and the precise angle he needed to not get tackled and exactly how fast he needed to go to get there, without wasting an ounce of energy. His body control and physical efficiency is seriously remarkable.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Let me preface by saying that other than maybe Wentz (I’m an Eagles fan) and Mahomes, there is no other player I enjoy watching more. Amazing skill set! But if I could go back in time, I’d never have drafted him over the other “Big 4” running backs. I’ve never seen a coach routinely take his best player off the field in critical situations and replace him with a stiff or stupid trick play. Earlier games this season Kamara would be split out while Murray was in the backfield. Last night there were numerous times he was on the sideline. I can’t stand Peyton. With the talent Brees has and the players the organization has had the last years, they should have had more success but Peyton constantly has to prove he’s smarter than anyone else. 17 carries was decent but it seems he should be way more involved in the passing game. The other backs in the top tier are unquestioned and get so much more total volume. Frustrating.
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need2know
Footballguy
agree totally.
peyton is a great offensive mind but he overthinks things constantly. Kamara touches the ball more last night and they have a much easier game. its that simple. instead he has to prove teddy bridgewater can chuck in around on SNF. he almost got killed like 6 times. but hey hes winning games i guess
zoonation
Footballguy
I think the problem is Teddy can't read the defense properly. Where Drew would hit Alvin in the flat, Teddy is locked downfield waiting too long for plays to develop. You could see Kamara get frustrated several times last night.
Kamara is as elite a talent as there is in the league offensively. Unfortunately, that will not help us this year in fantasy until Brees comes back (and can actually play).
He's an RB2 with Bridgewater at QB.
Kamara is as elite a talent as there is in the league offensively. Unfortunately, that will not help us this year in fantasy until Brees comes back (and can actually play).
He's an RB2 with Bridgewater at QB.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
But even with Brees under center, if I could go back in time I’d move Kamara to 4th overall. I actually got the first pick twice in redraft and took him once because I just love his ceiling and I took Barkley the other time. Hands down I’d take CMC and Elliot over him. I also have him in a one keep keeper league and will really have to ponder keeping Chubb over him next year. It’s also non-PPR so that hurts Kamara even more. It just seems that several times a year Peyton just gets away from him in ways the other elite backs never have that happen to them. Wether it’s idiotic plays like that fumble by the punt returner last year in that game they blew against Carolina or the use of Hill, Kamara routinely gets short changed.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
I agree...sort of.
The frequency of trick plays needs to be modulated downward based on limitations of Murray and Hill. If this were Cohen and Vick then the level of trickeration we see would be justified but clearly these two are being over-used / there should be a higher priority on feeding Alvin (see CMC) and stretching the field (trading for better receivers if needed).
The Frankman
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The Big Donkey
Footballguy
tackle for loss
Footballguy
Injuries in practice are almost always bad. I'll be sweating for the next 24 hours until the report comes out tomorrow. Scoop Murray?
Spectrum
Footballguy
I'd say yes especially with a pretty good rushing matchup this week.
Speaking of, is there a weekly thread of some kind with major updates? The weekly injury thread sometimes only seems to be active on game day. But is there a central thread for each week with updates on Kamara, Gurley, DJ, etc., so we can stay on top of it and contribute?
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