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NCCommish

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For the first time the Democrats have come out in unified support for a 15 dollar minimum wage. This is the party moving left on policy that a growing majority of Americans support. That 2/3rds of small business owners support. Raise the Wage Act is the bill they have put forward. The bill actually does many things. It would make it so you couldn't pay handicapped people less than the minimum wage. It would end the tipped wage. It's estimated it would get the minimum wage back to 1968 buying power by 2019. That's right the minimum wage was actually higher in 1968 when we look at what you could buy with it. 50 years seems like a long time. It would also mean direct raises for 22 million people. 19 million people would be looking at raises as the minimum approached what they are currently paid.

And people always act like the minimum wage is for part time jobs for kids. Actually the average age is 36. More people over the age of 55 would be impacted than teenagers. 2/3rds of these people work full time. 25% are supporting families. And this would have a huge effect on the African American community who are disproportionately represented amongst minimum wage earners.

Big, Bold ideas are what people want. They are hungry for a change. Incrementalism is dead, people are tired of waiting while the ones telling them to wait get theirs. It's just too bad they didn't do this say a year ago. Give their nominee something big to fight for. Champion the people. But better late than never. And now how about you guys unify behind Single Payer? Put forth a bold stimulus package built on an Apollo like effort to move this country totally to renewable energy ? Give the American people a reason to vote for you other than you aren't Trump.

 
NCCommish said:
For the first time the Democrats have come out in unified support for a 15 dollar minimum wage. This is the party moving left on policy that a growing majority of Americans support. That 2/3rds of small business owners support. Raise the Wage Act is the bill they have put forward. The bill actually does many things. It would make it so you couldn't pay handicapped people less than the minimum wage. It would end the tipped wage. It's estimated it would get the minimum wage back to 1968 buying power by 2019. That's right the minimum wage was actually higher in 1968 when we look at what you could buy with it. 50 years seems like a long time. It would also mean direct raises for 22 million people. 19 million people would be looking at raises as the minimum approached what they are currently paid.

And people always act like the minimum wage is for part time jobs for kids. Actually the average age is 36. More people over the age of 55 would be impacted than teenagers. 2/3rds of these people work full time. 25% are supporting families. And this would have a huge effect on the African American community who are disproportionately represented amongst minimum wage earners.

Big, Bold ideas are what people want. They are hungry for a change. Incrementalism is dead, people are tired of waiting while the ones telling them to wait get theirs. It's just too bad they didn't do this say a year ago. Give their nominee something big to fight for. Champion the people. But better late than never. And now how about you guys unify behind Single Payer? Put forth a bold stimulus package built on an Apollo like effort to move this country totally to renewable energy ? Give the American people a reason to vote for you other than you aren't Trump.
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Because Hillary was never about the people.  Like this resurgence.

I liken my relationship to the Left as a Thanksgiving dinner where my family went way off rails and I'm not giving them time of day until they repent and apologize.

I want to love this family, truly. But not if they can't recognize and admit they ducked up and badly.

 
When I read the thread title I was hopeful. After reading the content I think the title should be "Democrats STILL Not Getting the Message?"

2/3 of small business owners agree? ? D'okay. 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Because Hillary was never about the people.  Like this resurgence.

I liken my relationship to the Left as a Thanksgiving dinner where my family went way off rails and I'm not giving them time of day until they repent and apologize.

I want to love this family, truly. But not if they can't recognize and admit they ducked up and badly.
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Duck for Thanksgiving??  Communist 

 
Mr. Ham said:
Because Hillary was never about the people.
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Here’s what Clinton’s website says on that point:

"Hillary believes we are long overdue in raising the minimum wage. She has supported raising the federal minimum wage to $12, and believes that we should go further than the federal minimum through state and local efforts, and workers organizing and bargaining for higher wages, such as the Fight for $15 and recent efforts in Los Angeles and New York to raise their minimum wage to $15."

In June 2015, early on in her campaign, Clinton spoke with a gathering of Fight for $15 members via phone and told them she supported their campaign.
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The key to our prosperity is greater economic growth. We have had 2% annual growth for years now and we have to increase that percentage or we will never get out of this rut. Does this proposal help or hurt? 

Also, does raising the minimum wage truly increase the spending power of those who receive it? Doesn't it threaten to create inflation which will make the increase negligible? 

 
Johnny Rock said:
When I read the thread title I was hopeful. After reading the content I think the title should be "Democrats STILL Not Getting the Message?"

2/3 of small business owners agree? ? D'okay. 
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Depending on where you set the wage up to 80% agree. Further over 80% of small businesses already pay more than the minimum.

 
timschochet said:
The key to our prosperity is greater economic growth. We have had 2% annual growth for years now and we have to increase that percentage or we will never get out of this rut. Does this proposal help or hurt? 

Also, does raising the minimum wage truly increase the spending power of those who receive it? Doesn't it threaten to create inflation which will make the increase negligible? 
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There is already price inflation with no corresponding wage inflation.

 
timschochet said:
The key to our prosperity is greater economic growth. We have had 2% annual growth for years now and we have to increase that percentage or we will never get out of this rut. Does this proposal help or hurt? 

Also, does raising the minimum wage truly increase the spending power of those who receive it? Doesn't it threaten to create inflation which will make the increase negligible? 
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We had an incredible run of growth from 1982-2000 or so.  Was the income from that growth shared across the entire socio-economic spectrum?  Or was it almost entirely captured by one small segment of the population?

 
NCCommish said:
Depending on where you set the wage up to 80% agree. Further over 80% of small businesses already pay more than the minimum.
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Whats stopping them from doing it themselves? If you think people should make $15 an hour, then give your employees $15 an hour. 

 
timschochet said:
The key to our prosperity is greater economic growth. We have had 2% annual growth for years now and we have to increase that percentage or we will never get out of this rut. Does this proposal help or hurt? 

Also, does raising the minimum wage truly increase the spending power of those who receive it? Doesn't it threaten to create inflation which will make the increase negligible? 
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http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/04/18/early-analysis-of-seattles-15-wage-law-effect-on-prices-minimal-one-year-after-implementation/

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Whats stopping them from doing it themselves? If you think people should make $15 an hour, then give your employees $15 an hour. 
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They are.  Because it's the right thing to do.  But it makes them less competitive with the big stores like WalMart whose employees are on public assistance. 

 
Henry Ford said:
They are.  Because it's the right thing to do.  But it makes them less competitive with the big stores like WalMart whose employees are on public assistance. 
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There is no way 80% of small business owners are paying their employees $15 an hour. 

 
timschochet said:
The key to our prosperity is greater economic growth. We have had 2% annual growth for years now and we have to increase that percentage or we will never get out of this rut. Does this proposal help or hurt? 

Also, does raising the minimum wage truly increase the spending power of those who receive it? Doesn't it threaten to create inflation which will make the increase negligible? 
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I guess we will have less restaurants to choose from.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Whats stopping them from doing it themselves? If you think people should make $15 an hour, then give your employees $15 an hour. 
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They don't want to hear that the market takes care of it. 

I'm absolutely astounded that NCCommish already admitted that 80% of businesses already pay above minimum. 

It's called the MINIMUM WAGE. Not THE Wage. Not the MAXIMUM Wage. Not the LIVING Wage. Minimum. 

 
Henry Ford said:
They are.  Because it's the right thing to do. 
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Its not always about "the right thing".  I am sure many small business owners would love to pay their employees higher wages, but if it is detrimental to the economics of the business, how can they?

 
It's alarming to me, that in this day and age of technology and how readily available information is, people still don't understand what "socialism" is.  And I'm not sure I am fully on board with single payer just yet.  This has more to do with my confidence in our government to manage it than it does with the concept.  I think a public option allowing them to prove themselves is the next logical step.  That would still be a huge step.

 
The Commish said:
It's alarming to me, that in this day and age of technology and how readily available information is, people still don't understand what "socialism" is.  And I'm not sure I am fully on board with single payer just yet.  This has more to do with my confidence in our government to manage it than it does with the concept.  I think a public option allowing them to prove themselves is the next logical step.  That would still be a huge step.
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The same could be said for racism.  :shrug:

 
Cjw_55106 said:
The Commish said:
It's alarming to me, that in this day and age of technology and how readily available information is, people still don't understand what "socialism" is.  And I'm not sure I am fully on board with single payer just yet.  This has more to do with my confidence in our government to manage it than it does with the concept.  I think a public option allowing them to prove themselves is the next logical step.  That would still be a huge step.
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The same could be said for racism.  :shrug:
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Don't disagree

 
How would this affect regular 9 to 5, salary people that are making quite a bit more than minimum wage?

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Whats stopping them from doing it themselves? If you think people should make $15 an hour, then give your employees $15 an hour. 
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As I also.mentioned the vast majority already pay more than the federal minimum. However the minimum sets a level field from a price pressure point. 

 
Rick James said:
Raise minimum wage to $15 today and McDonald's will be fully automated within 12 months. 
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Well this bill takes seven years to get there. By the way McDonalds already pays that in various countries yet they aren't automated. And lastly automation is coming no matter how low wages are.

 
She was dragged kicking and screaming into this position by Bernie. Remember, she had public and private positions.  

 
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Righetti said:
Duck for Thanksgiving??  Communist 
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As long as it's deep fried, has a chicken stuffed in it and is lubbed with enough butter before being shoved into the cavity of a turkey, it's all USA.

 
NCCommish said:
As I also.mentioned the vast majority already pay more than the federal minimum. However the minimum sets a level field from a price pressure point. 
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So what if they pay more? Instead of 7.25 or whatever the current is, they pay $9. That obviously is not close to $15, nor does it suggest they are for the $15 an hour minimum. 

 
The Commish said:
It's alarming to me, that in this day and age of technology and how readily available information is, people still don't understand what "socialism" is.  And I'm not sure I am fully on board with single payer just yet.  This has more to do with my confidence in our government to manage it than it does with the concept.  I think a public option allowing them to prove themselves is the next logical step.  That would still be a huge step.
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Medicare seems to work pretty well. And you ask for single payer you can settle for a public option in negotiations. You ask for a public option you get the ACA.

 
NCCommish said:
The Commish said:
It's alarming to me, that in this day and age of technology and how readily available information is, people still don't understand what "socialism" is.  And I'm not sure I am fully on board with single payer just yet.  This has more to do with my confidence in our government to manage it than it does with the concept.  I think a public option allowing them to prove themselves is the next logical step.  That would still be a huge step.
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Medicare seems to work pretty well. And you ask for single payer you can settle for a public option in negotiations. You ask for a public option you get the ACA.
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It does, no question.  My sticking point with this argument is that the safety net is still in place on the business side.  With single payer, that safety net would be gone.  There would be no avenue for these companies to make up the profits they believe they lost overseas and in medicare.  This fact gives me great pause in believing things would stay the same or that medicare would easily scale.

 
A funny story.  Was up helping my mom this last weekend and politics came up.  I had made a joke about Trump's incompetence.  We somehow ended up on Bernie's "socialistic" approach to medical care and education.  Normally, I ignore and move on, but it was just her and me and I figured I'd try and understand her position.  She was so emphatically convinced that Bernie's solution to healthcare wouldn't work and would be crap.  She based this off some comments from her "cruise buddies" and bits and pieces she had heard wherever.  Most of her buddies are from countries other than the US and it was clear, none of them understood exactly what he was proposing.  

As some of you may or may not know, my dad died last July.  His heart basically quit after successfully beating three different cancers, one of which was pancreatic cancer.  Anyway, I asked my mom how she liked the coverage that medicare provided them.  She had nothing but good things to say.  I asked about the cancer insurance they had and their supplemental insurance plan above and beyond medicare.  Nothing but good things to say.  I finally asked her why it was a bad thing if the benefits they received were provided as options to everyone in the country.  She looked at me puzzled.  I said THAT is what Bernie was proposing and then suggested she read some independent information on the subject and not rely so heavily on people from other countries who don't seem to have a clue of what was proposed.  We then went on to talk about the education part too, but that's for another thread.  My mom, as kind and loving as she is, is a perfect example of what misinformation and echo chambers can do in this country.

 
The Dems are unified in putting small businesses out of business, and low income folks out of work and on welfare. This isn't new news.

 
TripItUp said:
Hooray for socialism!!
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This isn't socialism.

Henry Ford said:
They are.  Because it's the right thing to do.  But it makes them less competitive with the big stores like WalMart whose employees are on public assistance. 
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There is your socialism. WalMart keeping wages down pushes more people onto public assistance programs.  In other words TIU, you are spending more in taxes because WalMart doesn't want to pay living wages to their employees. Not the other way around.

Increasing wages would possibly, likely even, drive up costs to consumers but remember that isn't because WalMart would be losing money, it would be because they aren't making quite as much profit as they were previously. So either way WalMart is giving the finger to consumers.

 
Rich Conway said:
A true big, bold idea would be scrapping minimum wage and instituting a B.I.G.
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I just heard a story on NPR about how some tech giants in Silicone Valley are running a test program providing some form of a B.I.G. in Oakland. 

I am fascinated to see how it plays out because I think it has potential to be a great program.

 
Cjw_55106 said:
If you are applying it incorrectly, you dont know what it means. 
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You were serious.

You can apply terminology incorrectly while knowing what it means (intentional).  You can also apply terminology incorrectly because you don't know what it means.

 
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NCCommish said:
For the first time the Democrats have come out in unified support for a 15 dollar minimum wage. This is the party moving left on policy that a growing majority of Americans support. That 2/3rds of small business owners support. Raise the Wage Act is the bill they have put forward.
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You are being a bit deceitful on what the polls say.  A large majority think the minimum wage is too low, but the number who think it should be $15 is very low, 12% according to this poll.  Around the $10 range is where most Americans think it should be. 

 
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