I especially liked the part about him not being strong enough and incapable of breaking tackles.
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RB Aaron Jones, MIN (5 Viewers)
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
joffer said:
While also driving the pile up the gut with his legs. He showed it all yesterday
I believe that they were both in the backfield to start the game. Being the "starter" (the guy on the field the first play) really doesn't matter much for RB in the NFL. Touches are much more important and Jones has been getting more touches than Williams (even though it probably isn't as big a disparity as Jones owners would like).kittenmittens said:
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Snaps are more important than touches when it comes to predicting fantasy points and probably more indicitve of coaches preferences.
Williams had 39, 45, and then 61 percent of the snaps in the first three games before getting hurt in the 4th.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Just keep watching the scoreboard and chasing points. Nevermind the underlying indicators...
Sometimes bad process yields good results in this game. Especially for the short term.
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Mark Football
Footballguy
Unfortunately for us Jones owners, Lafluer does not care about fantasy football. Only real football. And so far whatever he's doing is working. They are 4-1. He wants to split the carries to keep his guys healthy so they will be effective all year. I think we just have to accept this and be content with Jones being a RB2 moving forward.
The mix should change a little in Jones favor, especially with Williams coming off a bad concussion.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Will be interesting to see of their roster moves as well. Dexter Williams has been on the 53 but inactive and he isn't ready. They promoted Carson over him to play with JWilliams out.
Will Carson be waived? Dexter? Keep 4 on the 53 now worried of injuries?
O agree the split may shift to Homes a bit...60-65/40-35 seems about right to keep him healthy.
Carson looked like a capable backup as well in case of injury to Williams (he isnt a Jones fill in though)
Snaps do not get you fantasy points. Kyle Juszczyk leads the 49ers RB's in snaps but is far from fantasy production. Touches are more predictive of fantasy relevance. Ideally you want both snap count and touches and typically they are tied together but just going on snap counts isn't the best way. For this case in the three games they were both fully healthy Jones outsnapped Williams 103 to 96 (basically the same) but outouched him 52 to 33 (carries + receptions).
kittenmittens
Footballguy
For RBs, Ive read thst snaps is more predictive long term than touches, but I'm sure we could both dig up good arguements for either. You're correct that they are very closely correlated. Obviously you can't get a touch if you're not on the field so they have a direct relationship.Gally said:
To be clear, I am not saying JWill is better than Jones or anything silly like that. What I'm saying is JWill doesn't look very good, so it's concerning that the coaches don't seem to think Jones deserves a larger share of the opportunities. It was of additional concern that Jones' snap share seemed to be going in the wrong direction right before the injury. I think it was good process to see that as a red flag and have concerns about Jones before his post Williams injury breakout. If Williams is back this week I think the coaches may go back to the committee, for health maintenance or whatever other reasons they have.
I would sell, but I am generally distrustful of Jones for a bunch of different reasons.
ffbowler300
Footballguy
I am looking to potentially sell high on Jones after his huge week this past week so realistically what range of WRs is his current value?
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I am only closely in tune with dynasty value.
In dynasty I'd be aiming high for Juju or Godwin. Obviously you would have to add something significant to Jones, but maybe not a ton after this week? Also if you like Beckham... I dont...
Straight up probably the Golladay range?
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He's available in my 12 team ppr deep bench league. If healthy he should have stand alone value and is a nice lotto ticket if Jones gets hurt given the Packers have turned into a run heavy team. The Packers schedule gets a heck of a lot easier the rest of the way until the end of the season. I think he'd be a decent bye week fill in flex and a solid flex/low end number two if Jones got hurt.
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ConnSKINS26
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Dynasty--I was rejected last week offering straight up Jones for AJ Brown. To the guy in 2nd place, too, so he could use the points. I was surprised.
After this past game, I've already been rejected straight up for Calvin Ridley. Thinking of offering for Sutton, but that owner is rebuilding and devy-heavy. Debating going back to the AJ Brown well after Jones showed out, but now I'm wondering if I should just take the Jones points as long as they last and move on.
After this past game, I've already been rejected straight up for Calvin Ridley. Thinking of offering for Sutton, but that owner is rebuilding and devy-heavy. Debating going back to the AJ Brown well after Jones showed out, but now I'm wondering if I should just take the Jones points as long as they last and move on.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Fwiw Jones’ playoff sched week’s 15-16 is Chi & Min.
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ffbowler300
Footballguy
OK that sounds about right. I am hoping to flip him in a potential deal for OBJ or JuJu. Thanks for the response!!
Mark Football
Footballguy
Did you see what Jacobs did to the bears d last week? I think they were exposed.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Should’ve traded Jones this past week I guess. Lafleur was showing tendency for this 2 back crap before Willians got hurt. There goes a great RB2, value poof. And that damned fumble 
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
hardcoredx
Footballguy
zamboni
Footballguy
Seems like a reverse the clock time to two years ago when Williams was playing very well and holding off Jones, who had problems staying healthy but was the superior talent.
Granted, it’s a different coaching regime, but if you believe that talent eventually wins out, Jones owners should probably be a bit patient. The big issue is how much it remains a true RBBC this year while both are healthy.
Granted, it’s a different coaching regime, but if you believe that talent eventually wins out, Jones owners should probably be a bit patient. The big issue is how much it remains a true RBBC this year while both are healthy.
Agreed. But that’s one big reason why cmc hw is not. He gets nicked a ton and has never finished a season yet.
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
What happens when Adams is back? Those catches are going to go aeay.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Guy seems to get hit hard multiple times every game. Seems to hit the ground awful hard too, it’s odd.
Seems like I’m holding my breath waiting for him to get up several times per game
Seems like I’m holding my breath waiting for him to get up several times per game
packer_junkie
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Williams takes even bigger hits, that guy gets crushed constantly.
Jones has been amazing in the passing game. I did not see this coming.
Thankfully Green Bay is FINALLY passing the ball to their running backs.
Jones has been amazing in the passing game. I did not see this coming.
Thankfully Green Bay is FINALLY passing the ball to their running backs.
yak651
Footballguy
Wondering if McCarthy is at home saying to himself, "boy maybe I should've threw the ball to this Jones kid"?
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
The problem is the passing to the backs is a by-product of Adams being out. I mentioned it before, what happens in a week or two when Adams gets back. Those extra passes are going to to go way down.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
No but it will downgrade him from strong RB1 (25ish ppg) to a middling RB2 (15ish ppg).Does this mean you’ll bench him them?
skinsrule05
Footballguy
While there is some validity to that it is probably less then you expect, especially for Jones.
- Rodgers is averaging 3 less passes a game since Adams has been out. You would think his volume would increase slightly
- The RBs are only averaging 4 more targets per game since Adams was out. It is not a big jump.
- Jones' share of the RB targets has gone from 50% w/ Adams to 70% without him. I don't think this is a function of Adams. I think this is a function of them finding what works.
Add in the fact that Green Bay is 4-0 over that stretch and averaging a TD more a game.
I doubt they would revert back. If they do the impact looks minor and I would think more of it would come at the expense of Williams.
Nick Vermeil
Footballguy
Insanity. I’m probably starting both Jones and Williams the rest of the season.
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
I honestly hope all of you are right and I am wrong. I want it to continue the rest of the year, but I don't want to get my hopes up to much.
Mark Football
Footballguy
I think we're way past this. He has proven he's a great talent on a high powered office who gets volume and goal line carries. The only thing that can stop this train is injury. Which is something to worry about and prepare for.
montana_grizzly_bears
Footballguy
