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The Rise and Fall of ESPN (1 Viewer)
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Capella
Footballguy
I’ve said SAS sucks imo throughout this thread. Doesn’t mean that people aren’t watching him. It has nothing to do with whether he’s good or bad at all. That’s the part you keep glossing over. People watch him. Period.
Also the new Greenburg show seems like a flop but he’s not overpaid. He’s made his contract back for them 20x over based off that radio show alone I’d guess.
culdeus
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pantherclub
Footballguy
They had the same "data" with Greenburg, Hill, Beale etc etc etcsure, espn has no data on what their customers are watching.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Skipper wouldn't have agreed to do the podcast if they hadn't negotiated a temporary truce beforehand. The whole point of the show was for each of them to get their latest talking points out into the mainstream. They both need to rehab their reputations.
Simmons' empire is crumbling. The Ringer has not blossomed into a "must see" pop culture website, and Simmons has been tagged with a reputation of being a stubborn autocrat who doesn't play well with others. By bringing Skipper onto his show, he's hoping that it will create the illusion that he's an elite-level media mogul, thereby attracting investors and/or advertisers.
Doug B
Footballguy
For better or worse ... it's totally fine with 2019 ESPN is a ton of viewers hate his schtick. So long as they keep viewing.
That angle is a big reason I think his more recent knowledge gaffes are calculated.
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Yes, I've never understood when people say "I'm sure they've done the research", like companies are infallible when it comes to predicting the future with data.
Not making any other point in this thread, because I honestly have both loved and hated SAS depending on what year it was. But to assume that companies "know stuff" because they have data is odd. But that's none of my business. :TakesASipOfMyNewCoke:
Not making any other point in this thread, because I honestly have both loved and hated SAS depending on what year it was. But to assume that companies "know stuff" because they have data is odd. But that's none of my business. :TakesASipOfMyNewCoke:
Capella
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
They can just look at his ratings and how much they charge for his show to their advertisers compared to their other shows. They literally know exactly how much he makes for them. You don’t need to be a methodologist to make sense of this.
Capella
Footballguy
The ringer made 15M in podcast ad sales last year alone which made them profitable according to WSJ. Their pod network is extremely valuable. Wouldn’t shock me if they dumped the website at some point.
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TheIronSheik
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But that doesn't predict his future worth. That predicts his past worth. And if ESPN continues to lose money, signing big contracts isn't something a methodologist would approve of.
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Capella
Footballguy
They can see what he is worth all the way up to this morning. If they have 3-5 years of him delivering a certain number to their company I’m pretty sure they will feel safe on him delivering the next contract too.
I’m sure with what they are charging in carriage fees and ad rates they don’t need him to be this big for all 5 years either.
Capella
Footballguy
Also espn isn’t losing money at all. They just aren’t making as much as they did at their peak.
TheIronSheik
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Enron's stock looked awesome the morning of August 28, 2000. No reason to think they weren't going to be killing it the next couple of years. Honestly, I stopped following after that day, so I can't tell you if the rise continued or they just finally leveled out, though.
TheIronSheik
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I could be wrong, GB, but I believe they are currently losing money every year. Disney is pretty much keeping them afloat. In fact, I thought ESPN was pretty much the only branch of Disney not making money. I thought that's what was reported when the layoffs happened. I could be wrong, though. This morning I spend 15 minutes looking for my keys that I had in my hand. So. You know. There's that.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
infallible <> making informed decisions with the data
no one is guaranteeing anything, but it makes little sense to think that random internet commenters disliking SAS likely trumps a billion-dollar enterprise's methodology and consideration.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Seems like a strange analogy and point. I mean, sure Capella swore the blood of his first-born that this will work out, but in general, no one thinks it's guaranteed. Like McDonald's, playing to the hoi polloi can be profitable and no one is arguing that SAS or McDonald's is haute couture.
Capella
Footballguy
You’re way way way smarter than this postEnron's stock looked awesome the morning of August 28, 2000. No reason to think they weren't going to be killing it the next couple of years. Honestly, I stopped following after that day, so I can't tell you if the rise continued or they just finally leveled out, though.
Capella
Footballguy
You’re conflating losing money with not meeting projected earnings. They aren’t losing money.
TheIronSheik
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TheIronSheik
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Capella
Footballguy
Short Corner
Footballguy
TheIronSheik
SUPER ELITE UPPER TIER
Yes. Declining. Viewership has been down greatly the past couple years. And they continue to drop this year. Hell, the AAF got better viewership ratings in Week 1.
Short Corner
Footballguy
Their share in the international market dwarfs that of the NFL. NBA revenue is growing 3x faster than the NFL and even the most conservative projections have them passing them in the next 8-10 years.
TheIronSheik
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Leroy Hoard
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Eephus
Footballguy
Final binding bids are being taken this month for the 21 former Fox regional sports networks that Disney was order to divest as part of their acquisition of Fox. The sale must be completed within 90 days although there's supposedly an option for an extension.
There have been a number of rumored bidders including Liberty Media (owners of Sirius XM, Formula 1, Starz, etc.), Sinclair (owners of a ton of local stations) and MLB. There's also a private equity group involving Ice Cube although the BIG3's recent deal with CBS may be a sign that this effort is losing steam.
If the RSNs are sold as a lot, it will have impact on how we consume sports. If Disney decides to sell them off piecemeal, they're individually less of a threat to the status quo. Either way, the sale will say a lot about the state of sports media as we enter the next decade.
There have been a number of rumored bidders including Liberty Media (owners of Sirius XM, Formula 1, Starz, etc.), Sinclair (owners of a ton of local stations) and MLB. There's also a private equity group involving Ice Cube although the BIG3's recent deal with CBS may be a sign that this effort is losing steam.
If the RSNs are sold as a lot, it will have impact on how we consume sports. If Disney decides to sell them off piecemeal, they're individually less of a threat to the status quo. Either way, the sale will say a lot about the state of sports media as we enter the next decade.
Eephus
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ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN3, ESPNU, SEC Network, SEC Network +, ESPNews, ESPN Deportes, Longhorn Network, ACC Network Extra, ESPN Goal Line, ESPN Buzzer Beater, and ESPN Bases Loaded.
I never get that sort of thing. It's like.....
guy....I hate liver, every single time I eat it.
rockaction
Footballguy
I kind of think both the Capella/Sheik sides have points here, but I'd have to actually read an article or two, and I don't feel like giving anything to do with ESPN that much of my time right now.
facook
Footballguy
I wouldn't watch him for a second on live tv (although I have seen his goofs on twitter videos), but I have to think a majority of "the masses" are watching him like I watch Duke and the Pats....out of total hate.
facook
Footballguy
No one....NO ONE...hates the NBA more than I. It's not even basketball any more. But I think you are both right, in your own way: NFL rules the US, NBA rules the world. Unfortunately.
facook
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Short Corner
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Socrates11
Footballguy
Capella said:
To be fair, that article is almost 2 yrs old. Cord cutting has accelerated at an astonishing rate since then.
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Capella
Footballguy
Yes but absolutely nowhere near the rate of the company losing money. It’s not even close.
Tom Servo
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Eephus
Footballguy
Disney is selling the 21 former Fox RSNs to Sinclair for more than $10B. With the move, Sinclair immediately becomes a major national player in sports broadcasting. Their ownership of local network affiliates should help them in negotiating cable carriage for their sports channels.
comfortably numb
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Local Sinclair stations are already in the sports business; they all carry Ring of Honor wrestling.
Eephus
Footballguy
Another major national wrestling promotion would be good for the "sport".Local Sinclair stations are already in the sports business; they all carry Ring of Honor wrestling.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
There's about to be another major national wrestling promotion, but it's not Ring of Honor. It's All Elite Wrestling which is being funded by Shahid Khan (the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars and Fulham F.C.) and will air on TBS.
Eephus
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