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Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

Everyone here knows you have a top 100

Most people here don’t insist on falsehoods. That includes Trump fans btw. (There are a couple of guys, I won’t name them, who are Trump fans but will post shtick and blatantly obvious lies in order to have fun and troll people- I don’t care about them. But most Trump fans around here are honest; I just happen to very much disagree with them. And what’s funny is I’ve always liked Don’t Noonan. Outside of politics he’s an Oregon fan and I’ve always liked the Ducks even though they consistently thrash my Bruins. Prior to Trump I’ve enjoyed DN’s political commentary as well; when not discussing Trump he can be insightful. 

But he is the one Trump supporter around here who engages in serious discussion and debate by telling lie after lie after lie. Sometimes, often, he is challenged, and he doesn’t respond, and then a few days later he repeats the same lie again. Does he believe what he writes to be the truth? Maybe at some level though how one can so easily dismiss facts that contradict ones opinion is beyond me. It’s a skill I don’t possess. 

I still like him and wish he’d snap out of this. But this Trump thing is a like a cult for some people I guess. 

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That’s literally what the word “but” does. It transforms two thoughts that are meant to be consistent to two thoughts that are meant to be inconsistent. 

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Most people here don’t insist on falsehoods. That includes Trump fans btw. (There are a couple of guys, I won’t name them, who are Trump fans but will post shtick and blatantly obvious lies in order to have fun and troll people- I don’t care about them. But most Trump fans around here are honest; I just happen to very much disagree with them. And what’s funny is I’ve always liked Don’t Noonan. Outside of politics he’s an Oregon fan and I’ve always liked the Ducks even though they consistently thrash my Bruins. Prior to Trump I’ve enjoyed DN’s political commentary as well; when not discussing Trump he can be insightful. 

But he is the one Trump supporter around here who engages in serious discussion and debate by telling lie after lie after lie. Sometimes, often, he is challenged, and he doesn’t respond, and then a few days later he repeats the same lie again. Does he believe what he writes to be the truth? Maybe at some level though how one can so easily dismiss facts that contradict ones opinion is beyond me. It’s a skill I don’t possess. 

I still like him and wish he’d snap out of this. But this Trump thing is a like a cult for some people I guess. 

So you are sinking to the level of the cult comments. Wow

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1 minute ago, randall146 said:

That’s literally what the word “but” does. It transforms two thoughts that are meant to be consistent to two thoughts that are meant to be inconsistent. 

Ditto for the comma.  Surely you can see how silly it is now though right?  Or you can just go all-in and call me a liar.

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I don’t think I materially changed the exchange, but here it is:

“Let's hear more from the ladies.”

 “Agree, less questions to Sen Warren.”

I take your objection to the women/ladies issue to mean your joke wasn’t that Warren is not a woman, but that she isn’t ladylike?

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2 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

So you are sinking to the level of the cult comments. Wow

I’ve made it before. I don’t think I’m sinking. Sometimes (not always) it feels just like that with some Trump supporters. 

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6 minutes ago, timschochet said:

this Trump thing is a like a cult for some people I guess. 

Trump + cult is ok

Trump + DS = no bueno 

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41 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Not even in the top 10 posters with falsehoods

You have a comprehensive list?  Please, tell me I did not make the list.

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3 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Ditto for the comma.  Surely you can see how silly it is now though right?  Or you can just go all-in and call me a liar.

No, a comma doesn’t mean the two statements are meant to be inconsistent.  A comma means they are meant to be consistent. For example: the first sentence of this paragraph. 

And I’ve been quite clear that I think you are lying. You made a joke. A moderator didn’t like it. Now you are backpedaling. No biggie, but totally obvious. 

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1 minute ago, Ditkaless Wonders said:

You have a comprehensive list?  Please, tell me I did not make the list.

You’re probably the most honest person here. Drives me crazy sometimes. 

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On 7/2/2019 at 8:45 AM, knowledge dropper said:

The point should be 6 days for a PERCEIVED insult of a Democratic politician vs. almost always 0 days for OBVIOUS and INTENTIONAL insults of the President is pretty telling and alarming. 

Plorfu pretty much got banned forever for insulting Trump. 

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30 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Trump + cult is ok

Trump + DS = no bueno 

Not sure about cult.  Id guess the mods wouldn’t be too happy.  Calling people deranged...yeah, thats never going to fly and not sure why some fond that hard to believe.

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29 minutes ago, randall146 said:

No, a comma doesn’t mean the two statements are meant to be inconsistent.  A comma means they are meant to be consistent. For example: the first sentence of this paragraph. 

And I’ve been quite clear that I think you are lying. You made a joke. A moderator didn’t like it. Now you are backpedaling. No biggie, but totally obvious. 

Wrong, I don't have any issues owning up to anything I meant to say.  But, have a good one.

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18 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Not sure about cult.  Id guess the mods wouldn’t be too happy.  Calling people deranged...yeah, thats never going to fly and not sure why some fond that hard to believe.

Calling Trump supporters sycophants is allowed. Why is that Board Cop Sho? And why don't you know how to use the edit feature! 

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7 minutes ago, John Blutarsky said:

Calling Trump supporters sycophants is allowed. Why is that Board Cop Sho? And why don't you know how to use the edit feature! 

He’s not fond of editing his posts

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So much crying in here. Needs some violins to set the mood.

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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, HellToupee said:

He’s not fond of editing his posts

Or proof reading.  

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8 hours ago, timschochet said:

Most people here don’t insist on falsehoods. That includes Trump fans btw. (There are a couple of guys, I won’t name them, who are Trump fans but will post shtick and blatantly obvious lies in order to have fun and troll people- I don’t care about them. But most Trump fans around here are honest; I just happen to very much disagree with them. And what’s funny is I’ve always liked Don’t Noonan. Outside of politics he’s an Oregon fan and I’ve always liked the Ducks even though they consistently thrash my Bruins. Prior to Trump I’ve enjoyed DN’s political commentary as well; when not discussing Trump he can be insightful. 

But he is the one Trump supporter around here who engages in serious discussion and debate by telling lie after lie after lie. Sometimes, often, he is challenged, and he doesn’t respond, and then a few days later he repeats the same lie again. Does he believe what he writes to be the truth? Maybe at some level though how one can so easily dismiss facts that contradict ones opinion is beyond me. It’s a skill I don’t possess. 

I still like him and wish he’d snap out of this. But this Trump thing is a like a cult for some people I guess. 

:lmao:. You are such a liar.  You literally just claimed you didn't call me a liar and then you type out this load of crap.  Get over yourself.  Your opinions are not fact and be open to hear other opinions.  My god you have fallen off a cliff lately.  Trump is living in your head.

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27 minutes ago, Don't Noonan said:

:lmao:. You are such a liar.  You literally just claimed you didn't call me a liar and then you type out this load of crap.  Get over yourself.  Your opinions are not fact and be open to hear other opinions.  My god you have fallen off a cliff lately.  Trump is living in your head.

I’m always open to hear other opinions. My objection to your posts on Trump is not your opinions but that you state information that you claim to be facts that turns out to be false. 

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9 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I’m always open to hear other opinions. My objection to your posts on Trump is not your opinions but that you state information that you claim to be facts that turns out to be false. 

Link?

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12 hours ago, dkp993 said:

Or proof reading.  

True.  As an informal means of communication i don't proofread as of this were a graded paper or report going to a client or a tweet as POTUS.

Most of the time, when with typos, the point and context of my posts are still intact.

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19 hours ago, timschochet said:

 

Again I have no idea whether or not Don't Noonan is a liar in real life. But I DO know that the majority of his posts in this subforum are filled with falsehoods and dishonesty. That's really not debatable at this point.

I agree, but for you to call him a liar in one thread and then grandstand in this thready by saying we should all be respectful and not insult one another, is hypocritical, unless you think calling someone a liar is respectful.  Practice what you preach (sometimes). 

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What is the FBG staff take on their site hosting a white power symbol? 

Its offensive to many people and I feel like I'm doing my part bringing it to your attention for removal. 

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Happy 4th all. 

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1 hour ago, Ghost Rider said:

I agree, but for you to call him a liar in one thread and then grandstand in this thready by saying we should all be respectful and not insult one another, is hypocritical, unless you think calling someone a liar is respectful.  Practice what you preach (sometimes). 

But tim is also on record as condoning hypocrisy in general, so that makes his own hypocrisy non-hypocritical. It’s a bit of a paradox, but ultimately it checks out.

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51 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

But tim is also on record as condoning hypocrisy in general, so that makes his own hypocrisy non-hypocritical. It’s a bit of a paradox, but ultimately it checks out.

Haha, I like that take. :hifive:

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1 hour ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

But tim is also on record as condoning hypocrisy in general, so that makes his own hypocrisy non-hypocritical. It’s a bit of a paradox, but ultimately it checks out.

As much as I disagree with this, I have to agree.  

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On ‎7‎/‎3‎/‎2019 at 3:30 PM, timschochet said:

You’re probably the most honest person here. Drives me crazy sometimes. 

I'm a huge hypocrite and a liar.  Mostly I lie to myself.

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20 hours ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

But tim is also on record as condoning hypocrisy in general, so that makes his own hypocrisy non-hypocritical. It’s a bit of a paradox, but ultimately it checks out.

I am such a hypocrite that I like to say that I am not a hypocrite, but rather that I am simply comfortable with paradox.

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Initially posted in wrong thread:

Individual posters can ignore individual posters. How about making it so thread creators could ignore certain posters for everyone in the thread?  That would solve 90% of all the trolling and board cop bickering you have in here. 

We can't get consistent moderating and you want us to self moderate by reporting, why not let the thread creators effectively moderate their own thread? 

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Maurile - Moderation requires extensive training and highly developed skills. Letting just anyone try it would jeopardize public safety.

First sentence:  I've noticed. 

Jokes aside, what's the negative?  We moderate ourselves by using ignore. We've been asked to help moderate by reporting. Think how many of the threads would improve dramatically if just a few of the repeat offenders couldn't show up. Joe's tried pleading with them, yet, you won't get ride of them when it falls deaf.  Leave it up to the individual thread creators. 

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Maurile: There are at least two negatives.

The first is that the software doesn't allow it, so it's impossible.

The second is that it would encourage cliquishness as the cool kids set up their own threads to exclude participation by the outcasts and misfits. We want to foster an attitude of social inclusiveness.

 

The first is untrue. Software can always be rewritten.  You might mean impractical or expensive. 

The second is a step up from the inconsistent moderation we get now and the absence of doing anything to the people who consistently ruin threads.  

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I think it's a great idea.  Of course I do, I thought of it.

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54 minutes ago, tonydead said:

I think it's a great idea.  Of course I do, I thought of it.

I don’t like it. 

I want to decide what posts I get to read. I don’t want you deciding that for me. 

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Yep, it's a terrible idea. 

For one, certain people would put people they know have opposing viewpoints on ignore, thereby turning many threads into an echo chamber. 

For two, certain people would rush to start a thread about everything, making "their" thread to go-to thread on the topic and thus giving them control over who discusses it. 

Besides, just because you started a thread does not mean it is yours; it just means you started a thread about a topic. 

Lastly, it does seem like the modding around here has gotten a lot better since @Joe Bryant became more hands-on and started posting regularly. 

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Posted (edited)

Note to all, no offensive nicknames for any  female soccer players or adjectives for liberal politicians or you get banned. But it is ok to blatantly call people buffoons if you are on the other side and not get banned. I know this because these posts were very close together and the other person continued posting well after. Great job mods, keep up the hypocrisy. 

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8 hours ago, timschochet said:

I don’t like it. 

I want to decide what posts I get to read. I don’t want you deciding that for me. 

It's not me. It's the individual thread creators. Why would you want to go post somewhere if you knew your posts weren't welcome?  

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32 minutes ago, irish eyes said:

Note to all, no offensive nicknames for any  female soccer players or adjectives for liberal politicians or you get banned. But it is ok to blatantly call people buffoons if you are on the other side and not get banned. I know this because these posts were very close together and the other person continued posting well after. Great job mods, keep up the hypocrisy. 

Horribly inconsistent. 

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8 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

Yep, it's a terrible idea. 

For one, certain people would put people they know have opposing viewpoints on ignore, thereby turning many threads into an echo chamber. 

For two, certain people would rush to start a thread about everything, making "their" thread to go-to thread on the topic and thus giving them control over who discusses it. 

Besides, just because you started a thread does not mean it is yours; it just means you started a thread about a topic. 

Lastly, it does seem like the modding around here has gotten a lot better since @Joe Bryant became more hands-on and started posting regularly. 

Bold - too late. 

I could see the rush happening, hadn't thought of that. But it would be interesting to see who would do that. I have the feeling it's the same handful of posters that I'm talking about. Might work out just fine. 

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I suspect this wouldn't go as envisioned.  It would be a rude awakening for sure.

8 hours ago, Ghost Rider said:

For two, certain people would rush to start a thread about everything, making "their" thread to go-to thread on the topic and thus giving them control over who discusses it. 

That already happens today when people start threads a year or more before the actual thing.

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If you found that you were unable to participate in a few threads would that make you change your posting behavior in hopes that you were more welcome?  I think this might just revolutionize this place. 

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1 minute ago, The Commish said:

I suspect this wouldn't go as envisioned.  It would be a rude awakening for sure.

That already happens today when people start threads a year or more before the actual thing.

Maybe that's just what we need. 

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1 minute ago, tonydead said:

Maybe that's just what we need. 

Maybe....in my general experience, those that lacking in self awareness probably won't be phased by the realization, but I could be wrong about some :shrug: 

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4 minutes ago, tonydead said:

If you found that you were unable to participate in a few threads would that make you change your posting behavior in hopes that you were more welcome?  I think this might just revolutionize this place. 

When the fish keep biting, keep throwing out bait.

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44 minutes ago, tonydead said:

It's not me. It's the individual thread creators. Why would you want to go post somewhere if you knew your posts weren't welcome?  

Because when people raise issues I want to discuss, I want to discuss. 

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17 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Maybe....in my general experience, those that lacking in self awareness probably won't be phased by the realization, but I could be wrong about some :shrug: 

That’s the beauty of it. You don’t know who has you on ignore. Those busy running around playing board cops might not even realize that no one is responding to them. 

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19 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

When the fish keep biting, keep throwing out bait.

I don’t understand. You don’t like the idea?  

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18 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Because when people raise issues I want to discuss, I want to discuss. 

If you find yourself not welcome post better. Problem solved. 

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2 minutes ago, tonydead said:

That’s the beauty of it. You don’t know who has you on ignore. Those busy running around playing board cops might not even realize that no one is responding to them. 

 

25 minutes ago, tonydead said:

If you found that you were unable to participate in a few threads would that make you change your posting behavior in hopes that you were more welcome?  I think this might just revolutionize this place. 

Struggling to reconcile how you think this would work.  If you don't know what threads you aren't part of how would you know you aren't able to participate in those threads?  Word of mouth?

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Just now, tonydead said:

If you find yourself not welcome post better. Problem solved. 

No the problem is solved by not giving non moderators this sort of power. 

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Just now, The Commish said:

 

Struggling to reconcile how you think this would work.  If you don't know what threads you aren't part of how would you know you aren't able to participate in those threads?  Word of mouth?

Like you said. If you have some self awareness you could probably figure it out. 

On the other hand what if it did let you know when you were being ignored?

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

No the problem is solved by not giving non moderators this sort of power. 

It’s lack of and inconsistent moderation that allowed it to get to this point. 

We already and have been asked to self moderate by using ignore and report. This just takes it one step further. 

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