Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Oh, we know. Every single thread.Hey, I’ll stick around for nine more pages. You do you.
Oh, we know. Every single thread.Hey, I’ll stick around for nine more pages. You do you.
To Trump? I don’t know on a micro level and have never had the macro authority he’s wielding, which is my concern with him.Weird that someone that has that view of themselves would take it upon themselves to spend so much time going around telling people how to behave. How does worse Henry compare to Trump?
It's not that difficult. Worse Henry vs. Trump. Who do you vote for?To Trump? I don’t know on a micro level and have never had the macro authority he’s wielding, which is my concern with him.
I certainly shouldn’t be President.
I've loved, I've laughed and criedI did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption
as a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicideI've loved, I've laughed and cried
I've had my fill my share of losing
And now,…
I’m offering a pound of flesh to you. Not sure why that bothers you.Oh, we know. Every single thread.
I’d move to Europe.It's not that difficult. Worse Henry vs. Trump. Who do you vote for?
Nice. Titus Andronicus, too, if I'm not mistaken.as a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide
by way of Abe LincolnNice. Titus Andronicus, too, if I'm not mistaken.
Oh yeah, no doubt. Lyceum?by way of Abe Lincoln
I am moving song to song, taking pieces of heart at shows at Elysee MontemarteOh yeah, no doubt. Lyceum?
The whole Titus album was a really tortured metaphor about moving from Newark, NJ to Somerville, MA as some sort of civil war.
Uh, Patrick?
She said she loved my show in Paris at Elysee Montmartre/And that I stepped off the stage and took a piece of her heart.I am moving song to song, taking pieces of heart at shows at Elysee Montemarte
With these ropes tied tight can we do no wrongShe said she loved my show in Paris at Elysee Montmartre/And that I stepped off the stage and took a piece of her heart.
We wouldn't be seen dead here in the dayWith these ropes tied tight can we do no wrong
Now we grieve 'cause now it's gone
Things were good when we were young
I like your reckoningWe wouldn't be seen dead here in the day
I guess you're lucky that it's dark now
And if I like it then we'll stay
Impress the empress, take a shot now
Argy bargy with the cigarette holder already. Such a Charade.You call yourself a free spirit, a "wild thing," and you're terrified somebody's gonna stick you in a cage.
Well baby, you're already in that cage. You built it yourself.
And it's not bounded in the west by Tulip, Texas, or in the east by Somali-land. It's wherever you go.
Because no matter where you run, you just end up running into yourself.
Puff puff pass on that arby bargy ###Argy bargy with the cigarette holder already. Such a Charade.
Last night I popped a pillyPuff puff pass on that arby bargy ###
To be fair, only rockaction really personifies it. And obviously ilove80s and Workhorse.You all rock. All of you.
No offense, but, you lost a lot of credibility today and here you are still running around correcting people. You should give it a rest, there isnt much weight in your posts right now.
If you have a more pressing moderation issue jump on in fella. Don’t hold back.At this point it’s fair to say everyone has made their point about everyone else. Can we move on or do you guys complaining about dog piling want to dog pile some more?
So we know the point that the term became politically incorrect was sometime within the last five years?Hey, fair game. I said a wretched thing five years ago I should be embarrassed about. I am. It’s totally reasonable for anyone who wants to be upset about that.
Did you ever hear the Biblical story of Paul? It's sort of what reformed sinners do.Weird that someone that has that view of themselves would take it upon themselves to spend so much time going around telling people how to behave. How does worse Henry compare to Trump?
It’s not “my list” -tonydead said:Your problem is that you are hung up on your defined list of slurs, and then you put them all on equal footing. If people don't agree with your list it isn't an insistence to use slurs, it's a disagreement on what is a slur. Like it or not one is much more acceptable in society than the other, I don't see anyone referring to Tranny as the T-word.
In.How many times do I have to get stoned and post ridiculous song lyrics in here before this thread is totally derailed? I’m committed to it- no number is too high.
Taking a break from building a deck but this happy little diddy has gone through my brain often the last couple of years:How many times do I have to get stoned and post ridiculous song lyrics in here before this thread is totally derailed? I’m committed to it- no number is too high.
I dunno, maybe ask all your friends on the left that have a history of using it on this forum. Not my job to run around trying to figure out the latest words put on the PC run amok list.It’s not “my list” -
If a term upsets/offends a number of people because they recognize it as a slur against their race, religion, orientation, identity etc, and that term is considered by many others to be a slur, what is so wrong with having the decency to not use that word?
Honestly, it doesn’t matter to “me” nor am I personally insulted by the term in question - but I know many others who are. I learned to understand the history of the term and it’s range of meanings. Why would I purposefully use a word when I know that many consider it a slur, and more importantly, that using such a term may be hurtful if not even harmful to segments of our population?
is it too much to ask that if we are told our words hurt, to use another term - whether we agree with the definition or not? Just seems the right thing to do.
Be Good, Johnny/skip-diddy-skip/up the road/off to school you goTaking a break from building a deck but this happy little diddy has gone through my brain often the last couple of years:
I can't get to sleep
I think about the implications
Of diving in too deep
And possibly the complications
Whether its this forum or otherwise, no one is asking you to run around and figure out anything. Is it too much to ask that when something is pointed out as a slur then we have the decency to respectfully not use that term?I dunno, maybe ask all your friends on the left that have a history of using it on this forum. Not my job to run around trying to figure out the latest words put on the PC run amok list.
No. We know I said something vulgar and offensive five years ago.KCitons said:So we know the point that the term became politically incorrect was sometime within the last five years?
If someone used that term, before then or during the transition period, and then apologizes for their comments, we should accept it and move on?
Does this also apply to politicians, or are they held to a different standard?
Not sure I agree with you. Let me try another approach.No. We know I said something vulgar and offensive five years ago.
I believe the Anti Defamation League does this. If not them, someone does.Not sure I agree with you. Let me try another approach.
It is now politically incorrect to make the OK sign with your hand. For 99% of my life it was perfectly fine, or at least it wasn't considered by society as being wrong. Is everyone that gave the OK sign 5 years ago a white supremacist?
Honestly, I think someone needs to publish a politically incorrect guide. Seems like things are changing every day. So, probably dont want to publish it in paperback, digital would be better.
I'm looking at it from a behavioural standpoint. Specifically positive, neutral, and negative reinforcement by society to ones behaviour. With th OK sign we moved from positive to negative fairly quickly. With blackface we moved from neutral to negative reinforcement. And terms identifying transgendered people, from I dont know what, to negative. I'd also throw in things like statues, th National Anthem, and the cross or ten commandments. The changes come fast and often without much warning. Partly because not all of us are black, or transgender, or Christian. We have been conditioned to act a certain way all our lives. We've been playing by the same rules, then someone changes the rulebook. A rulebook that doesn't exist and the only time youre made aware of it is when you break a new rule.I believe the Anti Defamation League does this. If not them, someone does.
Edit: and your question is why people say things like “uh, no, Trudeau, brown face wasn’t socially acceptable in the 2000s.”
Given the sources/attitudes (who's apologized, owned and moved on vs who's continuing to troll after the apologies and ownership of their actions) this should be comical to you, not bugging you. It's quite the show...sit back and enjoy it for what it is.With apologies to both Rockaction and Henry, since they are both done with this, I have to comment because reading these threads has been bugging me.
Despite the impressive and focused search efforts ( ) for the “gotcha”, these inane charges of hypocrisy miss the point...totally.
It was never about someone using the slur...per se. It was about the doubling and tripling down once it was pointed out. It was the determined effort to not back down in the face of “political correctness”. I mean, I didn’t know the word in question was a slur and I’m pretty damned politically correct. I’ve never had reason to spend a lot of time thinking about it or interacting with that language.
As Koya has pointed out, why the resistance to being sensitive to language if it causes no tangible harm to those asked to be sensitive to It?
I’ve told the story before, I was humiliated in my 20’s when, working with emotionally disturbed teenagers, I was walking around saying “Mammy....ooohhh Mammy”. I thought it was funny because it sounded funny, had no idea where I had heard it. When my work partner-black guy and my best friend at the time-told me it was racist, I was horrified.
I didn’t rail against political correctness, I didn’t angrily insist I could say whatever TF I wanted. I profusely apologized and thought about it.
Its ok to be ignorant about the intent, symbolism, power of words. I didn’t think it was ok to reject those concerns. Rock obviously reached the same conclusion. He’s a smart and decent individual imo.
I was talking with my brother once about the bedtime stories we were read by my father. Took us about thirty seconds to both mention our chagrin when we realized through conversation that not everyone was read Uncle Remus stories as a kid. And what the Tar Baby story really was about.I'm looking at it from a behavioural standpoint. Specifically positive, neutral, and negative reinforcement by society to ones behaviour. With th OK sign we moved from positive to negative fairly quickly. With blackface we moved from neutral to negative reinforcement. And terms identifying transgendered people, from I dont know what, to negative. I'd also throw in things like statues, th National Anthem, and the cross or ten commandments. The changes come fast and often without much warning. Partly because not all of us are black, or transgender, or Christian. We have been conditioned to act a certain way all our lives. We've been playing by the same rules, then someone changes the rulebook. A rulebook that doesn't exist and the only time youre made aware of it is when you break a new rule.