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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

I started a thread, used the word, defended it, and things went from there. I later apologized. Turns out that people that were telling me not to use it have used it in the past on this very board. It was a vehement protestation of me using the word, ergo, the past few pages of this thread. And here we are...

I think we should sort of drop it now. In the words of Fugazi (or the Catholics) "We are all here. And we are all. Guilty!"

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eta* The thread was deleted by a mod. My apology is halfway down the front page. 

Thanks - got it.  I guess I can chalk that term up to other terms I used in the past that become offensive.  For my part I love humor but don’t want to hurt or offend someone who is truly insulted by it.  I honestly had no clue this term was offensive to some but I’ve lived a sheltered life.

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6 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I guess I can chalk that term up to other terms I used in the past that become offensive.

If you're talking about the f-bomb, yes, I am guilty of that too as a young man. In the apology thread I simply said at one point that we can only control now and can't erase the past, only learn from it. 

The term I used is indeed offensive to some, but I thought the origins and reclamation of the word rendered it okay. Origins and reclamations do not suffice for a lot of folk. Ergo, given that I don't want to insult people or slur them, I won't use it on this board and am almost totally likely not to ever IRL again, either. 

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And maybe this exchange between you and I have gotten people of each other's asses for the time being.

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6 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Thanks - got it.  I guess I can chalk that term up to other terms I used in the past that become offensive.  For my part I love humor but don’t want to hurt or offend someone who is truly insulted by it.  I honestly had no clue this term was offensive to some but I’ve lived a sheltered life.

Hence, the need for an annual Political Correctness Almanac. How else is a person supposed to keep up?

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9 minutes ago, rockaction said:

And maybe this exchange between you and I have gotten people of each other's asses for the time being.

And we thank you for that exchange - in the end it’s served a number of positive ends. Plus, It takes a strong person to admit that perhaps our language is antiquated or that we were wrong in a stance we took.
 

More importantly, perhaps the conversation helped educate others about a term for which,  a number of people don’t recognize the pain it inflicts and the slur it represents. At least those with enough heart to listen.

As I noted before, this is not about offending the general member of the board - and while some stubbornly hold onto the lie that this is some liberal issue (it’s not, it’s about being a decent human being who respects others and at the least, doesn’t want to harm nor degrade others), the fact is a whole bunch of non liberals seem to fall on the right side of this discussion - on these boards and otherwise. The weak cop out of blaming the “libs only” tactic merely demonstrates a lack of ability to meaningfully counter the valid commentary about those who stubbornly still hold onto forwarding hateful and hurtful language. 

For me, when it was pointed out that a posters child is trans, and some choose to STILL hold onto their stance that no one “told” them the word is a slur, well, it was saddening and disheartening. At that - and therefore this - point, it’s hate for hate reason, it’s lack of caring for the lack of a heart, it’s pain is the purpose - and you can’t blame the lack of a PC playbook or moderation. At the point when a parent of a trans child in THIS community confirms how ugly and wrong that word is, there is no longer any excuse.  Use the word, but accept what such a stance says about you, your humanity or lack there of. Because the ignorance card was literally taken away there. 

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Oh, I meant me and AAA's exchange right now. Oh well. 🤷‍♂️

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13 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Oh, I meant me and AAA's exchange right now. Oh well. 🤷‍♂️

Hey, you are just the key to enlightenment round these parts, aren’t ya? 
 

 

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25 minutes ago, Koya said:

And we thank you for that exchange - in the end it’s served a number of positive ends. Plus, It takes a strong person to admit that perhaps our language is antiquated or that we were wrong in a stance we took.
 

More importantly, perhaps the conversation helped educate others about a term for which,  a number of people don’t recognize the pain it inflicts and the slur it represents. At least those with enough heart to listen.

As I noted before, this is not about offending the general member of the board - and while some stubbornly hold onto the lie that this is some liberal issue (it’s not, it’s about being a decent human being who respects others and at the least, doesn’t want to harm nor degrade others), the fact is a whole bunch of non liberals seem to fall on the right side of this discussion - on these boards and otherwise. The weak cop out of blaming the “libs only” tactic merely demonstrates a lack of ability to meaningfully counter the valid commentary about those who stubbornly still hold onto forwarding hateful and hurtful language. 

For me, when it was pointed out that a posters child is trans, and some choose to STILL hold onto their stance that no one “told” them the word is a slur, well, it was saddening and disheartening. At that - and therefore this - point, it’s hate for hate reason, it’s lack of caring for the lack of a heart, it’s pain is the purpose - and you can’t blame the lack of a PC playbook or moderation. At the point when a parent of a trans child in THIS community confirms how ugly and wrong that word is, there is no longer any excuse.  Use the word, but accept what such a stance says about you, your humanity or lack there of. Because the ignorance card was literally taken away there. 

Lots of people have kids with special circumstances. Lots of people have special circumstances of their own. I get your point that rock didn't necessarily back off his original statement. For that he made amends. That's the best you can hope for in a constantly changing world.

Can we apply the same set if rules across the board? Nearly every day there are posts that could be offensive to a subset of the population. Who decides what's over the line? What is the benchmark for being offended?

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16 minutes ago, KCitons said:

Lots of people have kids with special circumstances. Lots of people have special circumstances of their own. I get your point that rock didn't necessarily back off his original statement. For that he made amends. That's the best you can hope for in a constantly changing world.

Can we apply the same set if rules across the board? Nearly every day there are posts that could be offensive to a subset of the population. Who decides what's over the line? What is the benchmark for being offended?

I have applauded rock, he was totally stand up here. Went above and beyond and that’s appreciated. 
 

 My point is when it is pointed out that something is legitimately a slur, especially by someone who represents the group in question , let’s act accordingly and have some decency and respect.

 

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8 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

....so this is where we're at now?

By this, do you mean that when we learn something is legitimately offensive to a group of people in terms of being a derogatory slur, we respectfully try not to use that term?

Id hope so.  But, apparently not. I hold out hope.

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6 minutes ago, Koya said:

I have applauded rock, he was totally stand up here. Went above and beyond and that’s appreciated. 
 

 My point is when it is pointed out that something is legitimately a slur, especially by someone who represents the group in question , let’s act accordingly and have some decency and respect.

 

You didn't really answer my question. Plenty of people use words to hurt others on this board every day. You've suggested that we shouldn't use slurs (which I agree). But how does one know when something has become a slur? I checked Merriam-Webster and the definition seems inconclusive. Especially when you compare it to other known slurs.

Does the individual get to decide, or the parent of the individual, or society as a whole? It seems to me it's the individual. And if so, then there are a lot of things that should be defended as vehemently as others. 

But that's not the case.

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Just now, KCitons said:

You didn't really answer my question. Plenty of people use words to hurt others on this board every day. You've suggested that we shouldn't use slurs (which I agree). But how does one know when something has become a slur? I checked Merriam-Webster and the definition seems inconclusive. Especially when you compare it to other known slurs.

Does the individual get to decide, or the parent of the individual, or society as a whole? It seems to me it's the individual. And if so, then there are a lot of things that should be defended as vehemently as others. 

But that's not the case.

I thought I’d answered, apologies.

The fact that the term “tranny” is widely considered a slur and is legitimately found to be hurtful by a large number of folks who are trans (and their friends, family, people in general) was pointed out by a number of people in the thread.  A poster who’s child is trans confirmed this... yet, some found it irresistible to still use the term, make jokes using it, push back about not “being allowed” to use the term.

So I ask you, if you find out that a term you use is hurtful, especially to people “in the room” (in the thread), do you push back and keep using it, or respectfully not do so. Do you need to confirm the hateful origins or rant about what is PC, or just try to learn and act respectfully in that medium? 

Anyway, we are cutting close to Ravens game and we are now at the par to pregame.

Hope everyone enjoys their Sunday. Football, family, and friends. 

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2 hours ago, rockaction said:

If you're talking about the f-bomb, yes, I am guilty of that too as a young man. In the apology thread I simply said at one point that we can only control now and can't erase the past, only learn from it. 

The term I used is indeed offensive to some, but I thought the origins and reclamation of the word rendered it okay. Origins and reclamations do not suffice for a lot of folk. Ergo, given that I don't want to insult people or slur them, I won't use it on this board and am almost totally likely not to ever IRL again, either. 

We have a young, 80lb, hot, Asian chick at work that uses the f-bomb fairly regularly. At first it was suprising, now it's awesome. 

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10 hours ago, Koya said:

I thought I’d answered, apologies.

The fact that the term “tranny” is widely considered a slur and is legitimately found to be hurtful by a large number of folks who are trans (and their friends, family, people in general) was pointed out by a number of people in the thread.  A poster who’s child is trans confirmed this... yet, some found it irresistible to still use the term, make jokes using it, push back about not “being allowed” to use the term.

So I ask you, if you find out that a term you use is hurtful, especially to people “in the room” (in the thread), do you push back and keep using it, or respectfully not do so. Do you need to confirm the hateful origins or rant about what is PC, or just try to learn and act respectfully in that medium? 

Anyway, we are cutting close to Ravens game and we are now at the par to pregame.

Hope everyone enjoys their Sunday. Football, family, and friends. 

The bolded is where the problem lies. Many didn't even know it was considered a slur. Also, "large number of folks who are trans" is how many? From what I could find, it's less than 1%. I'm not discrediting their feelings, but you're taking poetic license on their behalf.

If its widely known, wouldn't the online dictionaries treat it the same as other slurs?

Here are two examples. The first is obviously defined as a negative connotation.

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offensive; see usage paragraph below —used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a black person

offensive; see usage paragraph below —used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a member of any dark-skinned race

now often offensive; see usage paragraph below : a member of a class or group of people who are systematically subjected to discrimination and unfair treatment

 

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:TRANSMISSION sense 3

or less commonly trannie slang, sometimes disparaging

a: a transgender person

b: TRANSVESTITE

Defines it as slang, not as a negative connotation.

I understand that things change all the time. What I dont understand is how a person is expected to stay in front of the changes to prevent anyone from being offended. The average person has no chance of keeping up with every political and social issue going on today. I guess I should be offended that people think I could. Perhaps that's the correct approach.

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21 hours ago, KCitons said:

The bolded is where the problem lies. Many didn't even know it was considered a slur. Also, "large number of folks who are trans" is how many? From what I could find, it's less than 1%. I'm not discrediting their feelings, but you're taking poetic license on their behalf.

If its widely known, wouldn't the online dictionaries treat it the same as other slurs?

Here are two examples. The first is obviously defined as a negative connotation.

And the other

Defines it as slang, not as a negative connotation.

I understand that things change all the time. What I dont understand is how a person is expected to stay in front of the changes to prevent anyone from being offended. The average person has no chance of keeping up with every political and social issue going on today. I guess I should be offended that people think I could. Perhaps that's the correct approach.

KC - Really respect your take, but I'm a bit frustrated as we seem to be talking past each other.

Hopefully I can be more clear:

I don't expect anyone to be 100% on top of what may or may not be a slur, offensive, derogatory. And I do recognize that there is no one "formal" council that determines which words fall into that category, so there will always be some level of subjectivity.  That said...

* When it is pointed out to you that a term may be (or in some people's opinion, already "is") derogatory and a slur, is the best course of action to double down on your contention that it's a fine word to use... even in the face of multiple people telling you "look, we arent mad that you used the term if you didn't know it was a slur, but we are telling you it is a slur, now"? Wouldn't common decency say you'd refrain from using that term, EVEN if you didn't really know if it is a slur. Again, why would you just push back and go into a "don't be so PC" tirade, when you could just use a different word.  Not to mention listen to the multiple voices that are trying to inform you that the term you used is now widely considered / at least considered by many a slur?

* FINALLY... When we are talking about a certain population (in this case trans people), and a PARENT of someone who is a part of that group tells you the term is offensive, it's a slur, within the context that purposefully using such a term shows not only disrespect, but is part of a larger chorus of hate and discrimination that ends up doing real harm and hurt to innocent people - at THAT point is is not enough to say "ok, at least here on this forum, in front of the many people telling me it's a slur, and a parent of someone affected by the slur, I won't use that term" 

The fact that some people want to use a term (one that has been pointed out as harmful and hurtful to at least a good number of people) moreso than they care about not harming and hurting others is painful to watch.  We should be better, and this isn't an exactly high bar to have set.  How selfish is that, to suggest I want to use a term that we know others' consider a slur, because... why? I really don't get it.

 

TL;DR - We don't need a list.  We need common decency around others; when numerous people point out that a term is, at the very least, offensive and hurtful to some let's be good enough people to not purposefully use that very term.The major issue here is not that someone uses a term and is then corrected or told it's not perhaps the best term to use. The issue is many people tried to point out its an offensive slur, including a parent of someone in the trans community, but some refused to give any quarter, insisted on using that word, made jokes using that term.  I merely ask, why?

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On 10/13/2019 at 9:36 AM, KCitons said:

You didn't really answer my question. Plenty of people use words to hurt others on this board every day. You've suggested that we shouldn't use slurs (which I agree). But how does one know when something has become a slur? I checked Merriam-Webster and the definition seems inconclusive. Especially when you compare it to other known slurs.

Does the individual get to decide, or the parent of the individual, or society as a whole? It seems to me it's the individual. And if so, then there are a lot of things that should be defended as vehemently as others. 

But that's not the case.

One of the things I like about this board is that we kind of know each other.  

If someone you know in real life says to you “that’s a slur” or “that’s really offensive to me” or “to Jim here” or “to Jim’s kid” what’s your reaction? Mine is to treat it as an important disclosure:

Society as a whole decides these things.  And that’s not an easy or specific standard, but it is the standard. 

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22 hours ago, KCitons said:

The bolded is where the problem lies. Many didn't even know it was considered a slur. Also, "large number of folks who are trans" is how many? From what I could find, it's less than 1%. I'm not discrediting their feelings, but you're taking poetic license on their behalf.

If its widely known, wouldn't the online dictionaries treat it the same as other slurs?

Here are two examples. The first is obviously defined as a negative connotation.

And the other

Defines it as slang, not as a negative connotation.

I understand that things change all the time. What I dont understand is how a person is expected to stay in front of the changes to prevent anyone from being offended. The average person has no chance of keeping up with every political and social issue going on today. I guess I should be offended that people think I could. Perhaps that's the correct approach.

What does “disparaging” mean to you?

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28 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

What does “disparaging” mean to you?

They aren't being defined the same way. You have to be able to see that?

I was giving people the opportunity to respond to my comments before I made my next point. 

Last week @Tom Skerritt made a comment that a poster was acting like a woman. It was disparaging to women and he was called out by me. His response was for me to lighten up. Now, I know very few transgender people, but I know a lot of women. As I'm sure every poster here does. He doubled down on his comments. And was eventually given a timeout. 

There wasn't nearly the outrage. I wonder if it had more to do with the poster, and who the comments were directed towards, more so than being politically correct.

TL:DR  The mob mentality here doesn't feed on it's own. 

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On 10/13/2019 at 7:59 AM, sho nuff said:

Yes...because Rock got called out, mostly by those whoa re anti Trump...a few went and searched and posted all the people critical of Trump who have used the word.  Even if they weren’t involved  in the discussion.

And I get called board cop :lmao:

Because you are the board cop. Sheriff 

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3 minutes ago, KCitons said:

They aren't being defined the same way. You have to be able to see that?

I was giving people the opportunity to respond to my comments before I made my next point. 

Last week @Tom Skerritt made a comment that a poster was acting like a woman. It was disparaging to women and he was called out by me. His response was for me to lighten up. Now, I know very few transgender people, but I know a lot of women. As I'm sure every poster here does. He doubled down on his comments. And was eventually given a timeout. 

There wasn't nearly the outrage. I wonder if it had more to do with the poster, and who the comments were directed towards, more so than being politically correct.

TL:DR  The mob mentality here doesn't feed on it's own. 

It had to do with the fact that he was given a timeout and others weren’t defending him and he wasn’t saying it wasn’t an insult.  
 

There was a moderator in the thread who stopped him and a woman who backed you up. 

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48 minutes ago, Koya said:

 

TL;DR - We don't need a list.  We need common decency around others; when numerous people point out that a term is, at the very least, offensive and hurtful to some let's be good enough people to not purposefully use that very term.The major issue here is not that someone uses a term and is then corrected or told it's not perhaps the best term to use. The issue is many people tried to point out its an offensive slur, including a parent of someone in the trans community, but some refused to give any quarter, insisted on using that word, made jokes using that term.  I merely ask, why?

There are posters that make a comment and then excuse it as being humor. I agree, it's not an excuse.

I have one person on ignore for s comment about diabetes. As a parent of a child that was diagnosed at 17 months old, I didn think it was funny. Although that was his excuse. 

It happens more than you think. It just depends on who it's coming from.

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

It had to do with the fact that he was given a timeout and others weren’t defending him and he wasn’t saying it wasn’t an insult.  
 

There was a moderator in the thread who stopped him and a woman who backed you up. 

There was one person defending Rock. 

He admits to insulting every woman. Doesn't that deserve your outrage? Rocks thread had multiple posters calling him out. It was not an apples to apples reaction. Why do you think that is?

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5 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Because you are the board cop. Sheriff 

Sorry...someone else already has this schtick.  Get your own.

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Just now, sho nuff said:

Sorry...someone else already has this schtick.  Get your own.

Or what you’ll report me?

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19 minutes ago, KCitons said:

There was one person defending Rock. 

He admits to insulting every woman. Doesn't that deserve your outrage? Rocks thread had multiple posters calling him out. It was not an apples to apples reaction. Why do you think that is?

There were at least three people defending him, not just tonydead. 
 

The poster you’re referring to was suspended and admitted he was insulting every woman? What purpose would there be in trying to convince him that he was insulting women when he admitted it and was suspended from the board?
 

It was a different reaction because the circumstance was entirely different.

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7 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

There were at least three people defending him, not just tonydead. 
 

The poster you’re referring to was suspended and admitted he was insulting every woman? What purpose would there be in trying to convince him that he was insulting women when he admitted it and was suspended from the board?
 

It was a different reaction because the circumstance was entirely different.

Not sure I follow your thought here. What was the purpose for trying to convince Rock? If both posters statements are wrong, then they deserve to be called out. Rock appears to have made amends for his comments. Tom will come back and nothing more will be said. That's the mob mentality here. If things were reversed and it was Jon that said it, he would be called out immediately upon his return. 

I know, it may be hard to see the forest through the trees, but that's how it works. It's why people use the term hypocrisy around here.

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42 minutes ago, boots11234 said:

Or what you’ll report me?

Ummm...bye

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57 minutes ago, KCitons said:

Not sure I follow your thought here. What was the purpose for trying to convince Rock? If both posters statements are wrong, then they deserve to be called out. Rock appears to have made amends for his comments. Tom will come back and nothing more will be said. That's the mob mentality here. If things were reversed and it was Jon that said it, he would be called out immediately upon his return. 

I know, it may be hard to see the forest through the trees, but that's how it works. It's why people use the term hypocrisy around here.

The purpose of trying to convince Rock, for me, is that he disagreed it was even an insult, and I like Rock.  

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

The purpose of trying to convince Rock, for me, is that he disagreed it was even an insult, and I like Rock.  

So not thinking something is an insult is worse than knowing something is an insult and telling people to just lighten up?

If Rock knew it was a slur, he would have been okay?

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28 minutes ago, KCitons said:

So not thinking something is an insult is worse than knowing something is an insult and telling people to just lighten up?

If Rock knew it was a slur, he would have been okay?

No. I said neither of those things. 

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4 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

No. I said neither of those things. 

 

36 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

The purpose of trying to convince Rock, for me, is that he disagreed it was even an insult, and I like Rock.  

Not sure what your point was then?

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4 minutes ago, KCitons said:

 

Not sure what your point was then?

Not sure why not. I don’t know how to explain it better.  
 

The purpose for me was not “make X feel bad.”  It was “explain that this is offensive.”

One person already knew that and was being a misogynist on purpose.  Engaging that person in conversation is like arguing with a chair. I care very little about what that person thinks and conversation with such person is useless.  If you think that makes that person “better” in my eyes, I don’t really know how to respond to that. 

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

Not sure why not. I don’t know how to explain it better.  
 

The purpose for me was not “make X feel bad.”  It was “explain that this is offensive.”

One person already knew that and was being a misogynist on purpose.  Engaging that person in conversation is like arguing with a chair. I care very little about what that person thinks and conversation with such person is useless.  If you think that makes that person “better” in my eyes, I don’t really know how to respond to that. 

This doesn't seem to fit with what @Koya was saying about treating each other with respect. 

Am I to assume mob mentality is trying to teach and not shame or guilt s poster for his/her comments?

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2 hours ago, KCitons said:

They aren't being defined the same way. You have to be able to see that?

I was giving people the opportunity to respond to my comments before I made my next point. 

Last week @Tom Skerritt made a comment that a poster was acting like a woman. It was disparaging to women and he was called out by me. His response was for me to lighten up. Now, I know very few transgender people, but I know a lot of women. As I'm sure every poster here does. He doubled down on his comments. And was eventually given a timeout. 

There wasn't nearly the outrage. I wonder if it had more to do with the poster, and who the comments were directed towards, more so than being politically correct.

TL:DR  The mob mentality here doesn't feed on it's own. 

You should have just stopped right here.  It's blatantly obvious.  Skerritt's comments towards women was way worse than rocks.

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1 minute ago, krista4 said:

This thread desperately needs more italicized lyrics.  @Ilov80s @rockaction  :help: 

You rang? I'd better make it good. Listening to Vince Staples right now...I'm not sure he's an italicized type of guy...yeah he is.

Hey, I saw the first half of Leonard and Marianne on Amazon. Bought it. I'm a little surprised by it, though I shouldn't be. I'll update in the proper thread when the time is right and I've finished it. 

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

You rang? I'd better make it good. Listening to Vince Staples right now...I'm not sure he's an italicized type of guy...yeah he is.

Hey, I saw the first half of Leonard and Marianne on Amazon. Bought it. I'm a little surprised by it, though I shouldn't be. I'll update in the proper thread when the time is right and I've finished it. 

I'm very interested in your thoughts, given that you've said you relate to him in many ways.  There was a lot in the movie that I didn't much know.  Didn't come out of it loving him any less at all, but understood more of the complexity.

And geez, could she have been any more lovely of a woman?  But yeah, eager to hear when you have a chance.  This might be the right thread.  :lol:  

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Rebels been rebels
Since I don't know when
And all she wants to do is dance

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The FEDs takin' pictures and they tappin' Motorolas
Everybody snitchin', gotta live with paranoia
A soldier since the stroller, ask my mama if you doubt that
Homie where ya clout at? You ain't ever push nobody's scalp back
45, 9s 'round 9 in the AM

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1 hour ago, KCitons said:

This doesn't seem to fit with what @Koya was saying about treating each other with respect. 

Am I to assume mob mentality is trying to teach and not shame or guilt s poster for his/her comments?

No, I can’t speak to mob mentality. I can only speak to my own.  

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On 10/13/2019 at 10:04 AM, KCitons said:

Lots of people have kids with special circumstances. Lots of people have special circumstances of their own. I get your point that rock didn't necessarily back off his original statement. For that he made amends. That's the best you can hope for in a constantly changing world.

Can we apply the same set if rules across the board? Nearly every day there are posts that could be offensive to a subset of the population. Who decides what's over the line? What is the benchmark for being offended?

There are certain groups which are allowed to be offended and there are certain groups who are not.  And that's a large part of the problem.   Men or Christians or white people or conservatives are not even allowed to be offended.   When I point out disrespectful or offensive comments, I get called out as a whiner, martyr, woman, sissy, etc.  But it is perfectly ok for every other group to whine and complain.  I just can't comprehend the logic behind being super-sensitive to certain groups, but complete asses to others. 

One of the more absurd examples is it is still somewhat common for a black conservative to be labeled a racially-charged term like Uncle Tom.  Does a black man become less of a human based on political values? 

It is easy to give respect to people you agree with.  But until we learn to extend that same respect to all people, we are doomed to becoming more and more divided. 

 

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3 hours ago, jon_mx said:

There are certain groups which are allowed to be offended and there are certain groups who are not.  And that's a large part of the problem.   Men or Christians or white people or conservatives are not even allowed to be offended.   When I point out disrespectful or offensive comments, I get called out as a whiner, martyr, woman, sissy, etc.  But it is perfectly ok for every other group to whine and complain.  I just can't comprehend the logic behind being super-sensitive to certain groups, but complete asses to others. 

One of the more absurd examples is it is still somewhat common for a black conservative to be labeled a racially-charged term like Uncle Tom.  Does a black man become less of a human based on political values? 

It is easy to give respect to people you agree with.  But until we learn to extend that same respect to all people, we are doomed to becoming more and more divided. 

 

When you are called a whiner or martyr, it’s not a disparaging term for a white man or Christian . 

Posters shouldn’t call you a sissy or a woman.

Calling a black man an Uncle Tom is disparaging.

We should all be able to agree on the above three points.

 

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On 10/13/2019 at 8:08 AM, rockaction said:

If you're talking about the f-bomb

On 10/13/2019 at 10:44 AM, tonydead said:

We have a young, 80lb, hot, Asian chick at work that uses the f-bomb fairly regularly.

Did f-bomb change? I've always thought it was a four letter word, but from context I'm wondering if you guys are talking about the three/six letter word.

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58 minutes ago, Juxtatarot said:

When you are called a whiner or martyr, it’s not a disparaging term for a white man or Christian . 

Posters shouldn’t call you a sissy or a woman.

Calling a black man an Uncle Tom is disparaging.

We should all be able to agree on the above three points.

 

Certainly we can agree on the last two, but the first one misinterprets the point I was trying to make. 

It was not about me being called a whiner.  It is that this forum routinely belittles trump supporters, white males, conservatives, sometimes police, and Christians (although most of that has been weeded out).   The worst elements of these groups are used to disparage the group as a whole to delegitimize all their views.   In a way a very similar tactic Trump uses with illegals although he is far more blatant and ridiculous about it.  But the principle is the same.   

I try to defend or express points from a different perspective, but a variety of different tactics are utilized to ignore any legitimate point and make no attempt at understanding.  The goto tactic is usually personalizing and making this discussion about me, but there are many other tactics utilized.  And if I dare to point out the crappy tactics, then I become the problem and not the crappy tactics which include things like guilt by association, strawmen arguements, focusing on some irrelevant aspect of the post, or just some ridiculous personal insult.  And I would put the majority of responses to me in the PSF firmly in the crappy tactics category.  

But the real point is, until we can  treat people who have different values with respect, expecting them to respect people with different values from them is hypocritical.   The biggest differences in the country have nothing to do with color, it has to do with values and beliefs.  And we need to stop hating people who have different values and beliefs and try to treat everyone with the same respect you show from people on your side.  

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32 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Did f-bomb change? I've always thought it was a four letter word, but from context I'm wondering if you guys are talking about the three/six letter word.

I think they are talking about two different things.  Rock was talking about the derogatory term for a homosexual that a lot of us as kids used (including myself).  I think Tony is just talking about what most people think of as the f-word which, to my knowledge, is not offensive to any groups.  And to be clear, the former usage was one of the words I used to say that I no longer do.  But I share a love for f-bomb word except if I ever hear my kids say it.

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3 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I think they are talking about two different things.  Rock was talking about the derogatory term for a homosexual that a lot of us as kids used (including myself).  I think Tony is just talking about what most people think of as the f-word which, to my knowledge, is not offensive to any groups.  And to be clear, the former usage was one of the words I used to say that I no longer do.  But I share a love for f-bomb word except if I ever hear my kids say it.

Where do you think they learned it?

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Just now, identikit said:

Where do you think they learned it?

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Ha.  I never say it in front of them - that I recall.  :)

 

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6 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

I think they are talking about two different things.  Rock was talking about the derogatory term for a homosexual that a lot of us as kids used (including myself).  I think Tony is just talking about what most people think of as the f-word which, to my knowledge, is not offensive to any groups.  And to be clear, the former usage was one of the words I used to say that I no longer do.

Ha, that's kind of what I was assuming was going on, but you never know.

Personally, I'm offended by nothing. I don't post often in www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets but they use the "six letter f-bomb" in there ALL the time and if I'm being honest, it cracks me up. Nobody is truly being hateful in there. Just a bunch of dudes trying to get rich quickly and talking s*** to each other in the process. :shrug:

I missed the thread in question, but two things everyone should keep in mind are (1) context and (2) intent. I know this is the age of virtue signaling, but rock's not a hateful guy and I would hope people would take that into account before piling on.

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58 minutes ago, FF Ninja said:

Did f-bomb change? I've always thought it was a four letter word, but from context I'm wondering if you guys are talking about the three/six letter word.

Six letter for me. I used the terminology wrong. 

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