Starting a new thread on specifically Cutler in Miami.
How do you see him finishing this year?
How do you see him finishing this year?
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Where Do Your Rank Jay Cutler In Miami? (1 Viewer)
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Better. Tannehill is abysmal.
ponchsox
Footballguy
Mavis
Footballguy
Add Thomas to the mix with the way Gase and Cutler use TEs. He would be Marty Bennett value in this offense.
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Just Win Baby
Footballguy
From today's FBG email on the subject:
I assume "downshift in passing volume" means fewer passing attempts... MIA was already #31 in passing attempts with 477 last season. In 2015, with Gase as OC, Fox as HC (read: conservative offense), and Cutler at QB -- the season everyone keeps referencing as Cutler's best -- CHI had 523 passing attempts.
I see MIA passing attempts increasing with Cutler at QB. I see Landry's target share decreasing in favor of shifting targets to Parker, Stills, and Ajayi. If Stills plays 16 games, I don't see his 81 targets dropping; he is the best deep threat on the team, which plays to Cutler's live arm. Stills is also still the 25 year old who MIA just signed to a 4 year $32M contract in the offseason.
Sure, Stills may not repeat 9 TDs, as that is a high number. But I don't see losing a couple TDs as turning him into a sell. At least not in leagues with any depth of rostered players.
I completely disagree with this.
I assume "downshift in passing volume" means fewer passing attempts... MIA was already #31 in passing attempts with 477 last season. In 2015, with Gase as OC, Fox as HC (read: conservative offense), and Cutler at QB -- the season everyone keeps referencing as Cutler's best -- CHI had 523 passing attempts.
I see MIA passing attempts increasing with Cutler at QB. I see Landry's target share decreasing in favor of shifting targets to Parker, Stills, and Ajayi. If Stills plays 16 games, I don't see his 81 targets dropping; he is the best deep threat on the team, which plays to Cutler's live arm. Stills is also still the 25 year old who MIA just signed to a 4 year $32M contract in the offseason.
Sure, Stills may not repeat 9 TDs, as that is a high number. But I don't see losing a couple TDs as turning him into a sell. At least not in leagues with any depth of rostered players.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
22nd in redraft
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I agree with JWB comments above.
Using Denver as the template Stills is playing Emanuel Sanders role in the offense, Parker will play the DeMarius Thomas role.
Stills still has value in this passing game, including if Matt Moore starts some games.
Using Denver as the template Stills is playing Emanuel Sanders role in the offense, Parker will play the DeMarius Thomas role.
Stills still has value in this passing game, including if Matt Moore starts some games.
Mavis
Footballguy
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hoffman0001
Footballguy
Maybe 20th in Redraft given the WR's he has to play with.
bagger
Footballguy
I think he would do better than Tannehill. Tannehill is brutal with balls downfield which I think Cutler can improve on.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
My first thought was better but looking at it more I don't see how that's a very reasonable projection. His fantasy numbers in Chicago were generally worse than what Tannehill was putting up in Miami and Cutler had some pretty good WRs in Chicago for a spell.
Even with a healthy Marshall/Alshon Cutler put up just 15.3ppg, a number that Tannehill eclipsed for 3 straight years with worse surrounding talent prior to last year's debacle.
Cutler's career best for a season is 255 fantasy points, which Tannehill has eclipsed twice as well.
Even with a healthy Marshall/Alshon Cutler put up just 15.3ppg, a number that Tannehill eclipsed for 3 straight years with worse surrounding talent prior to last year's debacle.
Cutler's career best for a season is 255 fantasy points, which Tannehill has eclipsed twice as well.
Thanks @Just Win Baby I've asked Chad to see more what he's thinking there. I see Stills as a "sell" from last year meaning I think his 2016 TDs were an outlier. We see him for 5 TDs this year. But that's not related to Cutler. We see him as WR 61 this year.
Where do you have him ranked?
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
pretty much a push.
slight bump for Landry and drop for Parker and Stills. push for Jay Ajaayaajjahahijiii.
Cutler is a better QB but doesn't have the save rapport with the receivers as Tannehill.
first half of the year may be slightly more rocky than anticipated but second half my be better than anticipated.
I think the fish can earn a wildcard spot, which makes next year all the more fascinating...does Cutler get Tannehill run out of town?
slight bump for Landry and drop for Parker and Stills. push for Jay Ajaayaajjahahijiii.
Cutler is a better QB but doesn't have the save rapport with the receivers as Tannehill.
first half of the year may be slightly more rocky than anticipated but second half my be better than anticipated.
I think the fish can earn a wildcard spot, which makes next year all the more fascinating...does Cutler get Tannehill run out of town?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
pardon me for butting in, but doesn't your logic imply that Parker ascends? if so, what have we seen that suggests he will?
FWIW, you guys are higher on Cutler than my guys on Twitter. https://twitter.com/Football_Guys/status/894273433311207424
I tend to agree more with you guys here.
I tend to agree more with you guys here.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Yes I know. The feeling is that Parker sheds nagging injuries and does 15% better than what he has shown.
I'm more of the school of thought that Stills has shown he can play and Parker hasn't.
Although there is something to be said for Cutler gravitating to throwing at big targets so maybe this helps Parker get over the hump and hurts Stills....I'm just not going to make that bet.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Looking at the two players careers the highest Tannehill has finished is QB 9 in 2014 his 3rd season.
Jay Cutler finished as QB 4 in his 3rd season in 2008.
When Cutler went to the Bears they were having him throw to the likes of Johnny Knox and Devin Hester his first three seasons there.
In 2012 when they got Marshall and Jeffrey was a rookie Cutler only threw the ball 434 times in 15 games. The Bears had a good defense and Love Smith the head coach.
2013 Cutler missed 5 games. Marshall and Jeffrey were both top 12 WR.
2014 Cutler played 15 games and had 561 passing attempts completed 66% of them 3812 yards 28 TD 18 interceptions. This is the only season when Cutler had near the attempts that Tannehill had in 3 seasons before making Gase the head coach. Marshall missed 3 games but TE Bennett had 90 receptions and Forte had 102. Cutler was QB 14 overall in fantasy that year.
2015 Cutler played 15 games but Marshall had moved on to the Jets by then. Jeffrey only played in 9 games that year. Bennett in only 11 games. They had Cutler throw the ball 483 times in this situation.
So you only have 2013 where both Marshall and Jeffrey were healthy, Cutler missed 5 of those games, they were both top 12 WRs.
In 2014 Cutler threw more TD (28) than RT highest of 27 in 2014. In one fewer game. Marshall besides being injured was having differences with Trestman and the team in general, so Cutler used his TE and RB as receivers a lot more.
Ryan Tannehill has had more passing attempts and games played than Cutler during overlapping time frames.
As far as other indicators such as yards per attempt Tanehill is career 7 YPA while Cutlet is 7.2 YPA. Cutler 4.6 TD% to Tannehills 4% Cutler 3.3 INT% Tannehill 2.5% Cutler Sack 6.3% Tannehill 7.5
So Cutler has thrown interceptions more frequently than Tannehill but also throws more TDs yards and is sacked a bit less.
fightingillini
Footballguy
Cutler likes to sling the ball downfield, so I would bump Parker and Stills and downgrade Landry slightly. Ajayi has no impact.
I would put Cutler around QB21, so about the same as Tannehill. Still think it's going to be a run first team with Ajayi.
I would put Cutler around QB21, so about the same as Tannehill. Still think it's going to be a run first team with Ajayi.
Mavis
Footballguy
In full disclosure, Twitter is the worst place for a polls in my opinion...but this poll here you posted is what I expected considering how "popular" Cutler isnt.
Mavis
Footballguy
Seems your hate for Cutler is much deeper than fantasy if you think that is being kind. We have all owned Cutler in our years, he isnt good, but with a new team, things change. Is he a stud? No, is he in the bottom third with Kesslers and McCowns? No.
I'll take him over Flacco, Smith, Goff, Hoyer, Taylor, Bradford and any Houston, Cleveland, NYJets, Chicago.
He is right there with Palmer, Dalton, Wentz and Bortles.
dipandglide
Footballguy
I've got him slotted in the QB19-24 range.
What's he worth in terms of FAAB % in a 14 team superflex dynasty league? I'm interested in picking him up, but I don't want to spend my whole FAAB to do it. Any thoughts or advice?
What's he worth in terms of FAAB % in a 14 team superflex dynasty league? I'm interested in picking him up, but I don't want to spend my whole FAAB to do it. Any thoughts or advice?
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Tough to say. 14-team superflex seems like QBs are pretty valuable. I would look back at what some past QBs have gone for and figure where you slot Cutler in alongside them.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think Cutler will be able to open the offense up more because of his arm. Under Gase, Cutler had his best year as a pro and if you look at the stats of Culter under Gase and Tannehill last year- they are fairly comparable. Cutler had more yards and TD's and one less INT but a lower completion percentage. None of which were large differences. It will be close but I think we will get a bit more yards and a bit more TD's out of Cutler than Tannehill would have provided. Cutler jumps a few spots up on my rankings from where Tannehill had been sitting.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
How much of a concern is it that Cutler is reporting this late and is reportedly out if shape?
Pat Kirwin of Sirius NFL said that he didn't think Cutler would be able to jump right in since he hasn't been throwing, i.e. he wouldn't be able to do all of the first team 11v11 right away and his throwing would need to be monitored
Pat Kirwin of Sirius NFL said that he didn't think Cutler would be able to jump right in since he hasn't been throwing, i.e. he wouldn't be able to do all of the first team 11v11 right away and his throwing would need to be monitored
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Fools gold. That's my name for him. I held him before and suffered disappointment, as have all who have grabbed ahold of the iron pyrite.
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'm another who voted about the same. Cutler is good enough to run the same offense and do OK but I don't see them changing what they were planning because they have Cutler. I think this team wants to run the football with Ajayi and play good defense. The passing game has enough talent to be effective but if they felt Cutler was a big upgrade over Tannehill they would have signed him a long time ago. I just don't see much changing due to this.
Warhogs
Footballguy
Zero concern for me. It's good that it sounds like they are recognizing they may have to monitor his throwing as he builds up to avoid a dead arm. He has a month to get ready.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I realize this is an inexact science, but over the past three seasons, Tannehill ranked 19th in fantasy ppg (19.70) and Cutler ranked 24th (18.97) using whatever scoring system the Historical Dominator uses. Cutler ranked as QB26 in ppg in his one saeson under Gase.
Cutler most likely is out of shape and never played with his new teammates, so I would guess out of the gate he will do worse than Tannehill would have. IMO, both guys are sub-optimal fantasy QB2's in a 12 team league.
Put another way, I'd be looking elsewhere for my starting and back up fantasy QB's.
Cutler most likely is out of shape and never played with his new teammates, so I would guess out of the gate he will do worse than Tannehill would have. IMO, both guys are sub-optimal fantasy QB2's in a 12 team league.
Put another way, I'd be looking elsewhere for my starting and back up fantasy QB's.
10 team league- not rosterable
12 team league- back end QB 2/borderline rosterable
14 team league- back end QB 2/will likely be on a roster.
16 team league- no question- on a roster, mid level back up.
I'd put him at QB #25 right about now. Could jump a few spots if he gets in shape and throws well.
12 team league- back end QB 2/borderline rosterable
14 team league- back end QB 2/will likely be on a roster.
16 team league- no question- on a roster, mid level back up.
I'd put him at QB #25 right about now. Could jump a few spots if he gets in shape and throws well.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
It looks like things have evened out a bit now with more votes.
The early voters (around the time you posted this) were more optimistic about this being an improvement.
I can see the perspective of it being about the same. Cutler has only been slightly more efficient than Tannehill.
Sweet Love
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You would think so, but I doubt they paid him $10 million to be a back up...more importantly, I doubt he came out of retirement to be a backup, so he likely has a gentlemen's agreement with Gase that he will at the worst get be the week one starter.
Sure, but if Moore is clearly better I think Gase will go with the player that gives the team the best shot to win. It will probably be Cutler, but just isn't a foregone conclusion. This is going to be a battle over the next few weeks.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Are they are Green Bay's schedule this year, because I love Cutler going against the Packers. I think he is among the favorite Q.B.'s for all packer fans, after all he has completed a lot of passes to our guys.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Cutler in 15 games 2015 TD 4.3% INT 2.3% YPA 7.6 AYPA 7.4 SACK 5.7% Jeffrey (9 games) Martellus Bennett (11 games) Matt Forte (13 games) Marquess Wilson (11 games 6 starts) Eddie Royal (9 games)Chaka said:
Tannehill in 13 games 2016 TD 4.9% INT 3.1% YPA 7.7 AYPA 7.3 SACK 6.9% Landry Stills Parker (15 games) Ajayi (15 games) Dion Sims
It is pretty close but I would say Tannehill had better healthy weapons to work with last year than Cutler had in 2015.
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