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Tarik Cohen - RB - CHI (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
What trades have you seen with him? I doubt many would give top 15 RB value for him but I'm expecting performance around that level in ppr. Sproles was always likewise underrated in my leagues.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
I havent seen any trades for Conen recently. But if it helps, I'd give a mid 1st for him, although I feel like I wouldnt need to pay that much.
Nobody wants a rb who doesnt have that feature back upside. But what's wrong with a long term RB2?
None of the weapons Chicago has added recently will keep Cohen off the field or steal his targets. He creates too many mismatches out of the backfield. A little boom or bust, but what the hell?
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Footballguy
That's pretty much what I thought, a mid first seems reasonable both to buy or sell, but you're right that most wouldn't give that much. Which makes "selling high" a real challenge
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
In my FFPC Rookie draft a few weeks ago, I traded him for 1.07 which I then used to select Darrell Henderson. I was in the sell high camp on Cohen and am drinking the Kool-Aid on Henderson's upside. Hope I don't regret this in a couple of years...
cloppbeast
Footballguy
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ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
That's just crazy talk. He'll continue to put up RB1 points about 1 game out of 5, but you won't be able to predict when those 3 or 4 games will be, so he will probably be on your bench when they happen.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Wait. Brown is predicting Cohen will run for 1,100 yds? By doing what? Running 10 jet sweeps a game and hoping Ds somehow don’t catch on?
Soulfly3
Footballguy
ComfortablyNumb
Footballguy
He had four games over 20 points (RB1) in 2018 and seven games below 10 pts (not starter-worthy). Plus, Montgomery is more of an every-down back than Howard was, Mike Davis can play, and Kerrith Whyte is also very athletic.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Yeah, I have to agree with this. Its farfetched. The best I could see Cohen hitting is 700 rushing yards. That could be a Kamara type of year, which would be great though.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
He's the kind of player that makes guys wonder why their team didn't have a better record - after all, it scored all these points!
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
cloppbeast
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He isn't very good at getting what the defense gives him. He loses yards going to the outside when he should slice up north/south for the minimal but better positive gain.
That said it is a shortcoming that young RBs often have and can learn to overcome. He is an electric playmaker otherwise and needs and commands touches.
Or so I would have thought. I'm a Bears fan and know it's hard to be objective here, but the 4 touch game they lost against the Eagles still pisses me off. I don't get it and I think there is no excuse for it. I'm not sure what the explanation is, whether it be the Eagles took him out of the game, whether coaches don't like him as much as we think, maybe he was banged up, or maybe he simply just had an outlier game in a random sense. But then following that up by drafting Montgomery, who I have big hopes for, my inclination is to think Montgomery will play entire sets of series, so will Cohen, but it will be something like a 2 to 1 split in favor of Monty. Davis will mix in here and there. In such a scenario both Monty and Cohen can be used without anyone tipping the defense.
So I think Cohen more or less keeps the same role he had and is plenty valuable in PPR. But Monty will be the man.
4 touches for the RB13? Aggregate points for the season don't mean a lot on a week to week basis when less than 10 pts are being put up. I'm afraid that kind of inconsistency is in store again. Better for bestball.
That said it is a shortcoming that young RBs often have and can learn to overcome. He is an electric playmaker otherwise and needs and commands touches.
Or so I would have thought. I'm a Bears fan and know it's hard to be objective here, but the 4 touch game they lost against the Eagles still pisses me off. I don't get it and I think there is no excuse for it. I'm not sure what the explanation is, whether it be the Eagles took him out of the game, whether coaches don't like him as much as we think, maybe he was banged up, or maybe he simply just had an outlier game in a random sense. But then following that up by drafting Montgomery, who I have big hopes for, my inclination is to think Montgomery will play entire sets of series, so will Cohen, but it will be something like a 2 to 1 split in favor of Monty. Davis will mix in here and there. In such a scenario both Monty and Cohen can be used without anyone tipping the defense.
So I think Cohen more or less keeps the same role he had and is plenty valuable in PPR. But Monty will be the man.
4 touches for the RB13? Aggregate points for the season don't mean a lot on a week to week basis when less than 10 pts are being put up. I'm afraid that kind of inconsistency is in store again. Better for bestball.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
fantasy points per week:
7.10 3.50 9.80 30.40 23.10 22.30 18.00 2.30 16.40 6.00 18.90 34.65 12.90 14.50 2.90
30+ - 2
20+ - 2
10+ - 5
9 of 15 fantasy weeks (i assume most dont play week 17) he scored 10+pts
i'll take that as my RB2/3/4 any day of the week. Sure, you dont want him as your RB1, but Id be hardpressed to find a team where he is.
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barackdhouse
Footballguy
Fair. So I'm personally of the opinion that a players performance in week 17 and the playoffs should absolutely count in our assessments of players. No of course we're not starting them in week 17 or in the NFL playoffs, but many of the players on our rosters may not be starting for us in a given midseason week anyway, yet we don't throw those games out of their sample when we do our assessments. So why throw out week 17 or the playoffs? They certainly tell a more complete story than without them. And may be especially useful for guys who missed games during the season. Sounds like Cohen missed just one. And I don't remember what he did in week 17 but he definitely laid an egg in the WC round.
None of that diminishes your point though. Cohen is still valuable in the way you described. I just think he has an unappealing floor. No question the ceiling is sexy AF.
Tarik Cohen is the best weapon Chicago has on offense.
Montgomery is a 3rd round pick and a rookie....they didn't bring in Le'Veon Bell or Saquon Barkley here. Montgomery HELPS keep Cohen's role large in this offense because I think he's very overrated by the community right now.
If you're a OC or HC, are you really throwing the football to Montgomery, Davis, or Kerrith flipping White over Cohen? Nope
Davis eats into Montgomery's touches more than Cohen's.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Chicago moved up to draft Anthony Miller the year before and gave him 54 targets, which was 5th on the team.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
He played injured much of the year and caught 7 TDs. He is hardly a bust at this point. And it has nothing whatsoever to do with Montgomery's prospects.
If I'm a head coach or OC there is a list a mile long of things I would do differently. As a Bears fan don't even get me started. I agree that Cohen is the best weapon on the team, or at least he was last year. But just because you or I would give Cohen the ball more doesn't mean these guys will. They gave it to him 4 flipping times in the WC round. Maybe the question should be will *these* coaches throw it to one of those guys over Cohen? And in Montgomery's case he is a really good receiver and has been praised for his hands and route running out of the backfield. I really think both Montgomery and Cohen are going to be playing entire series, not coming off (or on) on 3rd down. But Montgomery will play 2 for every 1 of Cohen's. Why do I say that? Because it is what I would do. So we should probably target Mike Davis. Haha.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
By your logic, Tyreek Hill ought to be doubling his touches. Clearly the best weapon on KC. Similar style in that both guys are undersized and make their bones by getting the ball in space. Yet Hill gets fewer touches by quite a margin but is much more productive, and that includes ypc when he rushes the ball. Hill is definitely a better offensive weapon than Cohen, yet KC doesn’t force him into situations where he isn’t as successful and lets other more capable guys do the heavy lifting and gives them a lot more touches than Hill gets. That optimizes Hill’s talents.
Is there a reason why CHI wouldn’t want to do the same with Cohen?
I brought up Anthony Miller simply because a team trades up for a player during day 2 of a draft....doesn't equal showering them with tons of touches. Yes, Miller had a shoulder...but he mainly played through it.barackdhouse said:
I'm a Bears fan as well. But mentioning a 7th round pick RB or Mike Davis as threats to Cohen is ridiculous.
As much as everyone wants to crown David Montgomery, he WAS a 3rd round pick. Teams passed on him multiple times and 3 teams decided to draft another RB instead. He's not a sure thing or a prime time RB prospect.
Jordan Howard had 270 touches in 2018....I don't see Montgomery getting all of those and still leaving plenty of room for an RB1 last year in Cohen.
I'll tell you why I throw them out for every player in the league.barackdhouse said:
To start with, MFL ignores them because my leagues do not play Week 17. When I look at scoring history of my leagues, it's Weeks 1-16 only. I need to come to the stats page at FBG to include Week 17, and the values are mostly meaningless. Some teams are resting, some teams are pushing for the playoffs or a specific berth. It feels like there are more wildly oddball points in Week 17 than in any other week of the season.
Likewise, I actively ignore playoff stats because those games are not indicative of a player's future prospects. Win or go home makes for a lot of very skewed performances.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I really don't see Cohen's numbers being any different from last year. I think that was optimal for both Cohen and the Bears. He's a very dangerous weapon, and a huge mismatch, for a QB who hasn't shown the ability to make highly contested throws. He had 170 touches last year, and that seems fair, I could see it swaying a little more toward receptions, but nobody will complain about that.
This backfield looks like Michel/White/Burkhead all over again. With Montgomery/Cohen/Davis respectively.
He's the #2 option in the passing game in my eyes, and will never be lower than 3rd. Perfect fantasy RB3 to me.
This backfield looks like Michel/White/Burkhead all over again. With Montgomery/Cohen/Davis respectively.
He's the #2 option in the passing game in my eyes, and will never be lower than 3rd. Perfect fantasy RB3 to me.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
half-decent flex option at best
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
fightingillini
Footballguy
This is my belief as well. No reason why he can't get 65-70 receptions again and about 7 TDs, along with 100-125 carries. Problem is....he's a game script kind of guy. If the Bears are ahead, you will probably see more Montgomery/Davis and less of Cohen. So he's going to be inconsistent like he was in 2018.
Perfect for an RB3 or a flex option. Or he can be a RB2 if you drafted someone like Barkley as your RB1 and punted RB2 for a while, stacking up on WRs and an elite TE. But I much rather have him as my RB3.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AuSFeTY0x0c
Week 5 Tampa Bay had no answer for 29. Nobody started him either. I beat the guy in my league who had Tarik on the bench, pretty sure.
Week 5 Tampa Bay had no answer for 29. Nobody started him either. I beat the guy in my league who had Tarik on the bench, pretty sure.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
About as accurate as usual. CHI played TB in week 4 last year, and anyone starting Cohen at that time was probably in last place given that he had turned in 3 huge turds in the first 3 weeks of the season. He was averaging 7 touches for less than 45 yds per game and 0 TDs going into that games.
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cloppbeast
Footballguy
Sorry, I meant week 4 not week 5. Your efforts are much appreciated. Nobody else around here has the tedious passion for minutia or the even the initiative to correct the minor mistakes which plague the SP. Heres to you BroncoBilly, and your 5 o'clock shadow having cigar smoking smiley face guy.
With that ovation out of the way, my overall point stands: despite all these awesome plays he made in week 4, they didnt do his owners any good. Ironic, right?
Seriously, he made some awesome plays though.
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Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I knows it irks you that accuracy means something to some of us here. I also understand that when you tell half a story for your own gratification that it is bothersome when others put forth the other half as part of discussion. But this is a message board and I would have figured that you’d realize by now that these kinds of things are part of posting here. It’s part of having a discussion rather than just having a board full of slanted monologues.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Youre right. Rather than slanted monologues, smartass remarks about when chicago played tampa bay, (week 4 or 5 lol) is much preferred on these message boards.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Okay. Have it your way. I’m done (Joe and/or mods - no need to remind to get back to football). We really do need TC to start...
Tanner9919
Footballguy
sell sell sell!
