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h'es the bears 3rd TE behind miller/sims, ... bears seem to like their 4th TE daniel brown, so its possible zach miller is a surprise cut... but i cant see shaheen having value early in season.
they're not cutting Miller.
He came in well late and was also quite involved on special teams. He's not where you want him for FF yet
Nice find.
I'll take it for 2017 value. If I ever need to throw him in for an emergency start, at least there is a chance of a rogue TD. Team needs all the RZ targets they can get. He's obviously a long term hold.
#### like this is why Fox will be relegated to the museum with his relic buddy Fisher:
Like the two minute offense is the exclusive domain of the NFL. And if by week 10 you haven't done a good enough job coaching that your rookies can't run a two minute drill you should be fired.
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See for yourself. I think Sims' presence hurts his floor.Update?
I’ve got a chance to drop Olsen & start a guy who set GLIAC records in the Semi-Finals.
Who could pass on that kind of opportunity?
How much of Shaheen would Nagy have actually watched though? It's not like he watches every guy before he takes a job. How could he? And it's not like he game planned against Shaheen either. I think the money was perfect fit for bringing in a veteran, although Burton is a little unproven in hopes that he fills the role. That's not a knock on Shaheen to me, just a "we need plays now" view, rather than, "lets hope we get them from our 1 and only decent TE on the roster who happens to be a 2nd year player".
I'm talking about after Nagy was hired. Part of a new HCs job is to get acquainted with personnel & have input on FA & the draft.
While I agree Burton is probably overrated in FF circles, I believe his salary is a big consideration in regards to Shaheen from the Bears' perspective.
By the same logic Dion Sims should be a big deal because of his contract the year before.
SIms is part of Shaheen's problem. They've got quite a bit of money tied up in some mediocre TEs (certainly unproven). If Nagy & Pace thought better of Shaheen, I don't believe you would've seen the Burton signing.
It was speculated that Dion Sims might be released instead of the Bears having to pay him $6 million base salary this season. However the way the contract is structured the Bears would take a dead cap hit of $4.7 million if they cut him. He is staying.
It’s like the jets or jags wr core- hard to tell who will have the value, but someone could put up nice numbers with Nagy at the helm. That said, most tes don’t pan out fantasy wise the way we hope, so if shaheen is cheaper than burton I’ll take the bargain.
This is a logical fallacy that has no true causation. We don't know they wouldn't have offered Shaheen just as much or more if they had to or that if they had to choose between the two which they would have taken. CHI had the money and Burton was a FA so necessitated spending to sign him and Shaheen didn't. It's as simple as that. If you had $2 and a Snickers in your pocket and you bought a Kit Kat with your $2 that doesn't mean you like it more than the Snickers. It just means you wanted both.
Let me get this straight, you're claiming that NFL team's perception of their own roster has no cause in their selection of free agents?
You can replace Zach Miller without spending what they did on Burton. It tells me at very best, they expect Shaheen to take awhile to develop & aren’t sure. Besides, Miller is more of a Y & Burton is a typical F.
Totally disagree. That's a LOT of money to spend on an unproven TE. In the salary cap era, you don't spend $5 on an overpriced Snickers when you already have a $2 Snickers on your roster unless there's an issue with the cheap Snickers bar.
What is the difference between a Y and F? Or for that matter a U?
Just the tone of Nagy's comments tells you that he is learning more about Shaheen right now. He sees Shaheen fitting the offense really well, it is just a matter of how fast he can learn the playbook and the nuances of what they are going to ask him to do.Faust said:
A Y is the traditional in-line TE position. An F is a "move" TE (they can also be called "Jokers"). A little different skill set than a Y. An F is similar to an H-Back, although, in some offenses, an H-Back is most similar to a traditional fullback.
OK well Sims in the Y and Burton is the F. I think these are Coryell designations of position, Nagy runs a WCO so their terminology is a bit different.
The Y & F are general designations. There's so many variations of the WCO & other offenses that I like to use standardized terms.
Yeah I could be wrong. I just don't think the money really matters any more than the draft position. Burton wasn't even drafted while Shaheen was a 2nd round pick, pretty high for a TE and he came from a draft class that had 3 TE selected in the first round, likely pushing him down a bit.
I think Shaheen has quite a ways to go on his blocking, but he's definitely got some upside as a receiver.
