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Antifa: Left Wing Militants on the Rise (1 Viewer)
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Portland Police Chief calls for anti-mask law
It sounds like she is only calling for a ban on wearing a mask while committing a crime. It wouldn't affect people who conceal their face during a legal protest.
BigSteelThrill
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Max Power
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I must have misunderstood. That ban just seems silly now. I don't see it deterring many people. But it's progress...
BigSteelThrill
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For the record what I said comes down to this...
If I repeatedly go stand amidst and walk with violent groups, I shouldn't be surprised and then whine when I repeatedly get caught up in the violence.
If I repeatedly go stand amidst and walk with violent groups, I shouldn't be surprised and then whine when I repeatedly get caught up in the violence.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Absolutely.
Dont see why a "protest" would have to be involved though. No need for someone to walk into a public school or a private business wearing a mask, unless its a medical issue.
msommer
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We have an anti mask law here in Denmark and it hasn't really made a difference. People just tend to don the mask just before they do idiotic stuff, like violence, throwing rocks etc. Obvioulsy, they sometimes get caught on surveillance cameras filming the protest so they go to the clink anyway, but not sure it has had an appreciable impact.
But I must admit I support the law, anyway, on the principle that if you are protesting something or counter protesting as it may be, you should really stand by your words and actions
randall146
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When will the religious right’s War on Halloween end?
I can’t wait for the Yang administration, when we will finally be allowed to say “Trick or Treat” - those beautiful words - again!
BigSteelThrill
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Sheriff Bart
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Sort of like when I was a kid and moms would tell their sons not to hang with me. <_<
I mean SOMEBODY needed to teach them to drink, smoke, gamble, fight and bang. You would think they would have been grateful.
skycriesmary
Climbing up the Walls
Hopefully they'll kick out the 'proud boys' as well. Portland would be better off without either group in our city.
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The Proud Boys usually get a permit, so they'll be able to wear masks without issue.
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skycriesmary
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Gary Coal Man
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A couple of months ago a CNN personality was Tweeting support for the group that the domestic terrorist Willem Van Spronsen was part of (the Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club.)
The Puget Sound John Brown Gun Club put up a post on Facebook where they commiserated on Spronsen’s death, but did not repudiate his actions.
This is CNN.
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Herb
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Maybe I missed it. Is the perp in this incident actually associated with antifa? Or are they just glorifying his actions?
Regardless of the answer, what this guy did was vile and he will not be missed. No excuse for this in the name of any ideology.
Also, as a (pretty) liberal guy, I can meaningfully say, f--- Antifa. I want no part of the broad associations that come with their actions.
Regardless of the answer, what this guy did was vile and he will not be missed. No excuse for this in the name of any ideology.
Also, as a (pretty) liberal guy, I can meaningfully say, f--- Antifa. I want no part of the broad associations that come with their actions.
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jonessed
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News seems to be commonly referring to him as Antifa. Apparently he wrote about his involvement in his manifesto.
He also bombed a “concentration camp” with an indoor soccer field, a library, recreation facilities, etc. What an idiot.
Jackstraw
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saintfool
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Actually it's Twitter and its from May 2019. Outrage machine is a little slow here....
Gary Coal Man
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No, it’s CNN.
W. Kamau Bell hosts a CNN show. In May 2019 Bell’s CNN show praised the organization that produced a domestic terrorist in July 2019. That organization which Bell referred to as “good” refused to denounce the domestic terrorist’s actions. Bell’s Tweet is to encourage support for his CNN show and the organization.
That really wan’t difficult to follow.
If in May 2019 Fox News did a glowing show on an organization that produced a domestic terrorist two months later, and that organization refused to denounce the terrorism people would most certainly be calling into question Fox News’ judgment. It’s OK to do the same for CNN.
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saintfool
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Bell, among other things, hosts a show on CNN. The post - dated May 2019 - calls attention to the antifa organization and asks folks to support it. CNN didn't post the tweet but rather Bell did. I don't have an issue per se with you going after Bell here - though it seems hard to ding him for broadly asking for support of the group two months before this incident - but instead with CNN. It seems, well, misplaced. You want to try to discredit Bell over this? That's your choice here. You want to beg CNN to cancel his show even? That's your choice again. But thinking CNN is somehow culpable here? Spare me.
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CNN or FoxNews or MSNBC do not need to "denounce" fringe groups that were once supported by any of its employees. They're news companies, not politicians.
That said, CNN should cut ties with Bell if he refuses to disavow the Tacoma attacker or any groups that openly support what he did.
That said, CNN should cut ties with Bell if he refuses to disavow the Tacoma attacker or any groups that openly support what he did.
Gary Coal Man
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As long as you’re consistent with your logic that’s it’s fair to criticize Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or Laura Ingraham for anything they say on their show, but it’s unfair to hold Fox News accountable for the content they put on their channel then I’m fine with your position.
I know that’s not how most people treat TV news stations in general, and Fox News in particular. You know that too.
On a side note, this seems like a good place to give a shout out to my buddy who is becoming a fairly regular pundit on The Ingraham Angle. Great guy.
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saintfool
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I think it's two separate things really. Bell's plug for the group in May - again, two months before a former member of the group violently attacked the facility - seems like a reach but it'd be nice if he - or CNN for that matter - sought to clarify their position based on recent events. By contrast, Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, et al are on 5 days a week usually with their manufactured outrage shtick. For example, Carlson didn't give a crap about Bell and his two month old tweet about supporting JBGC until this attack. Tucker likes his outrage and inflammatory comments/analysis on a daily basis and, in this instance, seems like he's indulging in some gleeful score-settling more than anything. Fox doesn't do anything to chastise him ever and activists like Sleeping Giants are compelled to do something. There seems to be quite a bit of difference between what Bell did here and, say, what the Fox nightly outage machine does but you - and Tucker - are not interested in seeing it.
Jackstraw
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I’m down. Hate violence. Just be there next time right wing man kills dozens of people. Happens all the time.
DropKick
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Gary Coal Man
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Correct, there is quite a difference. Neither Tucker nor the rest of what you call “the Fox nightly outrage machine” have glowingly promoted an organization that produced a domestic terrorist. An organization that refused to denounce the terrorist action. And we know that Fox News hasn’t done that because people like yourself would have made a big deal out of that had it happened.
You’re obviously not interested in admitting that, and, quite frankly, I’m more interested in pounding some beer and then pounding my wife (in the good way) so we’ll have to agree to disagree and end this pointless back-and-forth in favor of that more enjoyable back-and-forth I just alluded to.
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IvanKaramazov
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It would be better if people would not pick out the craziest and most violent members of the other tribe and use them as stand-ins for everybody else. This guy was obviously a nut who it sounds likely committed suicide by cop. He is not representative of all intersectional leftists or self-described anti-fascists. We are always going to be able to find crazy people on the both extremes. We should stop exaggerating their relevance.
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Max Power
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I agree. The thing that bothers me about the recent buzzfeed report is the last sentence.
"He gave up his life for this, and we certainly hope this marks a turning point in the movement," the antifa organizer said.
I hope this isnt as ominous as it sounds.
Gary Coal Man
Footballguy
LOL. Are we really going to do the semantics game of “produced” vs. “was a member of”?
OK, I’ll concede that I can’t state the John Brown Gun Club of Tacoma “produced” the attacker, but him being a member of that group is not in dispute when the group openly and unapologetically admits it.
Not sure why I concede anything on these boards when it’s so seldom reciprocated; but, oh well, I’m bound by my honesty.
Agreed, which is specifically why I haven’t said the guy is representative of all intersectional Leftists or self-described anti-fascists. Instead I only suggested that he may be representative of one very specific organization (the John Brown Gun Club of Tacoma). The fact that group won’t repudiate a member’s actions so as to distance themselves from them could certainly lead a reasonable person to presume that group tacitly approves those actions.
Anyway, now seriously off to that pounding.
saintfool
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I'm not sure about that. Cesar Sayoc, the mail bomber from just last year, is a pretty good example of Fox producing a domestic terrorist. Both seem equally unhinged too.Gary Coal Man said:
Bell simultaneously plugged his show and the JBGC two months before this attack. JBGC probably shouldn't celebrate Spronsen here but that's on them. Bell and CNN aren't celebrating Spronsen - especially 2 months before anyone heard of him - but whatever. It just seems like a reach given the timeline here and the tenuous connection between Bell/CNN and this incident.
rockaction
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I saw an Antifa guy at the show I went to tonight. It was a punk show by a band that is pretty liberal and Californian, so I was hardly surprised. The guy had a button that read "sometimes anti-social. always anti-fascist." I would have checked his other paraphernalia, but why bother? Made me think of the board here.
