timschochet

Alabama Voters reject Roy Moore and send Doug Jones to the Senate instead!

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Between this and Kid Rock it is hard to hold out any hope for this country

 

 

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I can see Moore taking this in a squeaker. Strange has a lot of baggage - Bentley and his smelly ascension to the job and McConnell's backing. Brooks hinted at staying away from Strange with his comments that Moore ran an honorable campaign. The Brooks backers that are against Trump(and pissed about the Trump endorsement) may go enough to Moore to get him a slight win. Moore has the high moral ground to attack Strange as well - so negative ads are going to be hard to produce and stick against Moore. But Strange is really vulnerable to attacks of being in the "club".

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38 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I ask them all the time about Maxine Waters in my area, who is a disgrace. 

Rohrabacher is probably worse than all three. Along with Nunes and Duncan Hunter CA has got some of the worst Republicans of anyone.

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Moore is a wack-a-doo.

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2 hours ago, timschochet said:

Sand I didn't insult you in any way, nor call you names (like jackass). In any case, no personal insult was intended. 

But I disagree with you, strongly. A person votes for a Roy Moore not for religious reasons but because he tried to enforce his religious reasons on others. As far as his bigotry is concerned, he ordered his officials to refuse to issue gay marriage licenses in defiance of federal law. And yes, those people who vote for Roy Moore, knowing who he is, are extremist or bigoted. If they don't know who he is, they are ignorant. I can't think of another option. 

By the way, I did ask similar questions about Marion Barry (not here though.) I ask them all the time about Maxine Waters in my area, who is a disgrace. But congress is one thing; senator is much more significant. 

You made me out to be a Moore apologist, which I'm most definitely not.  

Chances are, though, that money will swamp Moore and we'll see Strange in office.  So a nice, comfy insider in the Senate.  I don't like him much at all, but he's a good bit better than Moore.

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6 hours ago, killface said:

Between this and Kid Rock it is hard to hold out any hope for this country

 

 

In this case I vote Kid Rock.  Easy.

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9 hours ago, ffldrew said:

Strange has a lot of baggage 

Well, he was appointed by a governor he was investigating, in which said governor was forced to resign at the end of that investigation (he was going to be impeached otherwise). 

So, yeah, I'd say he has a bit of baggage. :P

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I'm not naive - I know this won't matter at all to Alabama voters. But c'mon, man. How can it not?

 

The front-runner in Alabama's Republican Senate primary, Roy Moore, said he did not know what the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program is during a July 11 radio interview.

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"Would you support an end to the 'Dreamer' program that President Trump has still continued to push?" Jackson asked, using the term often applied to DACA recipients.

"Pardon? The Dreamer program?" Moore asked, sounding puzzled.

"Yes, sir. The DACA. You're not aware of what Dreamers are?" Jackson responded. 

"No," Moore replied.

"This is a big issue in the immigration debate. Dreamers are—," Jackson began to say before being cut off by Moore, who said, "Why don't you tell me what it is, Dale, and quit beating around and tell me what it is."

When asked if he would support the end of that program after the host explained DACA to him, Moore said, "I would look at that program. I surely would.

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In Roy Moore's defense, DACA isn't in the Old Testament 

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This is just ... unreal to me. Link.

Former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore received a boost in his Senate campaign as House Freedom Caucus Chairman Rep. Mark Meadowsannounced his endorsement.

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So Roy Moore is going to win this election and be a ####### US Senator. Its difficult to fathom that. 

I think I need to expand my sphere of people I know. Because I know and am friends with plenty of Republicans. But I don't think I know any that would support Roy ####### Moore. 

So who are they? How does he win elections?

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51 minutes ago, whoknew said:

This is just ... unreal to me. Link.

Former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore received a boost in his Senate campaign as House Freedom Caucus Chairman Rep. Mark Meadowsannounced his endorsement.

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So Roy Moore is going to win this election and be a ####### US Senator. Its difficult to fathom that. 

I think I need to expand my sphere of people I know. Because I know and am friends with plenty of Republicans. But I don't think I know any that would support Roy ####### Moore. 

So who are they? How does he win elections?

Have you considered the possibility that the GOPers you know are the exceptions and the Roy Moore voters are the majority?

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1 minute ago, Insomniac said:

Have you considered the possibility that the GOPers you know are the exceptions and the Roy Moore voters are the majority?

Well now I have. Dammit. That's even more depressing.

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1 hour ago, whoknew said:

 

So who are they? How does he win elections?

He's the Republican version of Marion Barry.  

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28 minutes ago, Sand said:

He's the Republican version of Marion Barry.  

So after you all elect him we get a federal takeover of your state government and then outsiders get to spend the next quarter-century using him as prima facie evidence of your collective stupidity and inferiority?

Works for me.

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8 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

collective stupidity and inferiority?

Alabama has never really had a problem with these optics.

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53 minutes ago, need2know said:

Roll tide

Whenever I hear that, the first thing I think of is Mike Price and a couple of really ugly hookers.

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

Whenever I hear that, the first thing I think of is Mike Price and a couple of really ugly hookers.

It can't be disputed that the center of the college football universe is in AL.  

The other big positive is that our politics are this much better than Louisiana's.

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This is happening, folks. It's actually going to happen. I know it's Alabama, but...unbelievable.

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There's no hope for certain parts of the country (ie Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, NC/SC, Texas, Louisiana, etc). 

They agree with the religious whack jobs they put in office. Nothing will change their mind. 

Theres a reason the south will remain economically destitute with poor education and infrastructure. The people do not want change. 

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12 hours ago, Gachi said:

There's no hope for certain parts of the country (ie Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, NC/SC, Texas, Louisiana, etc). 

They agree with the religious whack jobs they put in office. Nothing will change their mind. 

Theres a reason the south will remain economically destitute with poor education and infrastructure. The people do not want change. 

That's just way over stating it. Nashville and Texas cities are booming and have been for a while. 

I grew up in Detroit and have a soft spot for it. But compare the problems it and some other rust belt cities have with the growth and prosperity of a lot of southern cities. There's no comparison.

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15 minutes ago, whoknew said:

That's just way over stating it. Nashville and Texas cities are booming and have been for a while. 

I grew up in Detroit and have a soft spot for it. But compare the problems it and some other rust belt cities have with the growth and prosperity of a lot of southern cities. There's no comparison.

I would say it's actually more damning that states like Tennessee and Texas rank as poorly as they do by most measures of quality of education, considering their thriving urban areas. The new economy has given them a gift and they're crapping it away. Based on a two minute google search it looks like Michigan beats both of them on most measures despite the drag of Detroit and the absence of places like Nashville and Austin.

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1 minute ago, TobiasFunke said:

I would say it's actually more damning that states like Tennessee and Texas rank as poorly as they do by most measures of quality of education, considering their thriving urban areas. The new economy has given them a gift and they're crapping it away. Based on a two minute google search it looks like Michigan beats both of them on most measures despite the drag of Detroit and the absence of places like Nashville and Austin.

I do not want to defend Texas (for example) politics. I live here and see the idiocy of it. People like Dan Patrick (our Lt. Gov.) are a ####### nightmare and you are right - they are squandering things like education. My only point was this statement - "Theres a reason the south will remain economically destitute with poor education and infrastructure," was way overstating it. Texas is not economically destitute and Dallas and Houston have very good infrastructure. 

Basically his point was just overstating it. He was taking examples from rural areas in Mississippi and Alabama and applying it all over the south and Texas.

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Just now, whoknew said:

I do not want to defend Texas (for example) politics. I live here and see the idiocy of it. People like Dan Patrick (our Lt. Gov.) are a ####### nightmare and you are right - they are squandering things like education. My only point was this statement - "Theres a reason the south will remain economically destitute with poor education and infrastructure," was way overstating it. Texas is not economically destitute and Dallas and Houston have very good infrastructure. 

Basically his point was just overstating it. He was taking examples from rural areas in Mississippi and Alabama and applying it all over the south and Texas.

Fair enough.  Let's get back to crapping on Alabama for Roy Moore. Presumably we can all agree that is well-deserved. Even the Trump supporters would presumably follow Dear Leader's request that they support Luther Strange.

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2 minutes ago, TobiasFunke said:

SEven the Trump supporters would presumably follow Dear Leader's request that they support Luther Strange.

Except they're not. Bannon is strongly for Moore, and has Breitbart people knocking on doors in Alabama trying to get out the vote. 

Bannon believes that if Moore wins it will unleash the populist wave of like-minded candidates against GOP establishment figures all over the country: get ready for Kid Rock and all the rest! This is Bannon's dream. 

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2 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Except they're not. Bannon is strongly for Moore, and has Breitbart people knocking on doors in Alabama trying to get out the vote. 

Bannon believes that if Moore wins it will unleash the populist wave of like-minded candidates against GOP establishment figures all over the country: get ready for Kid Rock and all the rest! This is Bannon's dream. 

After 2016 it's important that we not overestimate the intelligence of the American voter.  Still, I'm pretty comfortable saying that we are not Alabama.

 

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33 minutes ago, timschochet said:

 

Bannon believes that if Moore wins it will unleash the populist wave of like-minded candidates against GOP establishment figures all over the country: get ready for Kid Rock and all the rest! This is Bannon's dream. 

Moore will become a swamp creatures pretty quick.   No substance to the guy.  I don't get why this isn't pretty obvious. 

Still flummoxed why the RNC has poured money into this.  The winner will vote down the party line 95% of the time,  or similar.   Complete waste of resources. 

That said,   Moore is an embarrassment to Alabama and the legal profession.   Sadly Brooks was swamped by the 3M in negative advertising the RNC pushed in(much better candidate).   The RNC deserves the guy we're going to elect.   Idiots. 

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21 minutes ago, Sand said:

Moore will become a swamp creatures pretty quick.   No substance to the guy.  I don't get why this isn't pretty obvious. 

Still flummoxed why the RNC has poured money into this.  The winner will vote down the party line 95% of the time,  or similar.   Complete waste of resources. 

That said,   Moore is an embarrassment to Alabama and the legal profession.   Sadly Brooks was swamped by the 3M in negative advertising the RNC pushed in(much better candidate).   The RNC deserves the guy we're going to elect.   Idiots. 

As a newly admitted member of the Alabama bar :bag:

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9 minutes ago, -OZ- said:

As a newly admitted member of the Alabama bar :bag:

:lmao:

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1 hour ago, Sand said:

 

That said,   Moore is an embarrassment to Alabama and the legal profession. 

If this is the case then why don't you and other conservatives vote for the Democrat? Is the Democratic Party so loathsome to Alabamans that you feel forced to cast your ballot for this guy instead? 

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9 hours ago, whoknew said:

That's just way over stating it. Nashville and Texas cities are booming and have been for a while. 

I grew up in Detroit and have a soft spot for it. But compare the problems it and some other rust belt cities have with the growth and prosperity of a lot of southern cities. There's no comparison.

You're right, I was overstating it however I'm also a Texan and outside of the big cities rural Texas is just as bad as rural Alabama and Mississippi. 

I've always said the reason that Texas doesn't look like Jackson, MI as a whole is because of the oil money. Our leadership is just as whacky as theirs. 

And the K-12 education system in Texas is awful. They lower the bar every year because the kids get dumber and dumber. That's why a good chunk of the white collar jobs are held by immigrants. 

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9 minutes ago, Gachi said:

You're right, I was overstating it however I'm also a Texan and outside of the big cities rural Texas is just as bad as rural Alabama and Mississippi. 

Judge Roy Bean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Judge Roy Moore

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On 9/19/2017 at 7:48 PM, timschochet said:

This is happening, folks. It's actually going to happen. I know it's Alabama, but...unbelievable.

Can you post ali knot something for explanation? I thought there was a runoff? Did it already happen?

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38 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Can you post ali knot something for explanation? I thought there was a runoff? Did it already happen?

Next Tuesday.  If polls are to be believed Moore has a very solid lead.

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Next senate majority leader?

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On 9/20/2017 at 0:46 PM, timschochet said:

If this is the case then why don't you and other conservatives vote for the Democrat? Is the Democratic Party so loathsome to Alabamans that you feel forced to cast your ballot for this guy instead? 

@Sand Thoughts?

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6 minutes ago, ChopMeat said:

@Sand Thoughts?

Useless thought.  The choice was in the primary.  The Democrat has as much chance here as a republican would have for mayor of DC. 

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