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Cyber Warfare and new weapons - Seems like we're way behind (1 Viewer)

adonis

adonis

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From Russian attacks, to attacks on our infrastructure, to massive DDOS efforts, hacking of private companies...and what seems likely to be some form of technology-related sabotage with our armed services...

It sure seems like we as a nation are falling behind and are woefully unprepared to handle attacks from within and abroad as far as it relates to handling cyber attacks.

And what the hell happened to our people in Cuba with some sort of new weapon?

It feels like we aren't quite prepared as a country to protect ourselves on this new playing field.  It's quite concerning.

 
adonis said:
From Russian attacks, to attacks on our infrastructure, to massive DDOS efforts, hacking of private companies...and what seems likely to be some form of technology-related sabotage with our armed services...

It sure seems like we as a nation are falling behind and are woefully unprepared to handle attacks from within and abroad as far as it relates to handling cyber attacks.

And what the hell happened to our people in Cuba with some sort of new weapon?

It feels like we aren't quite prepared as a country to protect ourselves on this new playing field.  It's quite concerning.
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:shrug:  Maybe people don't notice when we do it?

MURICA! #### YEAH!

 
We have a very large, flexible, high tech military, but it's difficult and expensive to be prepared for all things in all situations.  

This is where I think Western Europe really needs to get on board.  We can't keep this spending up and gaps are going to show.

 
man the wall is like a trump vcr that just blinks 1200 forever he will spend a trilliion on the wall because hes old and dammit he wants a wall while not spending on this newfanlged techonology and cyberwarfare because what is that stuff anyhow i didnt need it growing up and im fine now walk uphill both ways and then while the vcr keeps blinking 1200 some terrorists will flip and switch and take down the power grid but hey neat wall 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 take that 1200 1200 1200 1200 to the 1200 1200 1200 1200 1200 bank 1200 1200 bromigos 

 
I keep thinking that the navy ship wrecks have to be some form of technical hacking or something similar.  One can be a screw up, but four?...foul play for sure.  So we've had Russia hacking elections, stuff with Navy that I suspect is related to this area, strange weapons in Cuba, and all the other private business hacks and government employee hacks and hacks of citizen information and DDOS attacks...

We're falling behind it seems in some very important areas and I don't think we have leadership in place that understands the risks or understands what it takes to get us where we need to be.

 
adonis said:
I keep thinking that the navy ship wrecks have to be some form of technical hacking or something similar.  One can be a screw up, but four?...foul play for sure.  So we've had Russia hacking elections, stuff with Navy that I suspect is related to this area, strange weapons in Cuba, and all the other private business hacks and government employee hacks and hacks of citizen information and DDOS attacks...

We're falling behind it seems in some very important areas and I don't think we have leadership in place that understands the risks or understands what it takes to get us where we need to be.
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Red Dawn was more prophetic than any other war movie of its time.  

 
There is so much going on and has been at least since the OPM hack and maybe the Chapman spy ring in 2010, but most recently.

  • China named as responsible for the Marriott hacks.
  • China found to have been raiding US missile technology.
  • DOJ indicts a ring of Chinese hackers, happened today.
  • The Russian indictments - IRA, GRU, plus numerous other hack arrests.
  • US Treasury just willing spilled out confidential info to Russian agents.
We are really, really just leaving the door open constantly. Who is running the operational security in this joint?

 
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adonis said:
From Russian attacks, to attacks on our infrastructure, to massive DDOS efforts, hacking of private companies...and what seems likely to be some form of technology-related sabotage with our armed services...

It sure seems like we as a nation are falling behind and are woefully unprepared to handle attacks from within and abroad as far as it relates to handling cyber attacks.

And what the hell happened to our people in Cuba with some sort of new weapon?

It feels like we aren't quite prepared as a country to protect ourselves on this new playing field.  It's quite concerning.
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Are we behind? You sure were aren't capable of doing all the same things? I am pretty sure we are spying and hacking on everyone as well. 

 
I'm not so sure we're behind. Maybe on the civilian defensive side. But I'd bet if the US wanted to on the offensive, we could reek a lot of damage.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Who is running the operational security in this joint?
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"So we have to get very very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a, it is a huge problem. I have a son. He's 10 years old. He has computers, it's unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing..."

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
There is so much going on and has been at least since the OPM hack and maybe the Chapman spy ring in 2010, but most recently.

  • China named as responsible for the Marriott hacks.
  • China found to have been raiding US missile technology.
  • DOJ indicts a ring of Chinese hackers, happened today.
  • The Russian indictments - IRA, GRU, plus numerous other hack arrests.
  • US Treasury just willing spilled out confidential info to Russian agents.
We are really, really just leaving the door open constantly. Who is running the operational security in this joint?
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Government cybersecurity is behind, and private cybersecurity is WAY behind in the USA.

 
knowledge dropper said:
Part of the mess Trump inherited, but he will have great cyber soon.  It's just going to take time to catch up.  We were asleep at the wheel for 8 years.  
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I don't know how I missed this gem of a thread the first time around or this most excellent post.  We've made more advances in technology in the last 15 years than you could even imagine.  In today's world most of the techniques being used originated here and are altered slightly to the environment being attacked.  As for Trump?  Well, he's insisting on having a wall in lieu of significantly cheaper and vastly more efficient/effective technology so.......

To the OP, I would say all the areas where we are attacked are not "pillar" areas.  Those are secure, with the exception of our power grids.  Those are woefully behind, but it wouldn't take much to get them up to speed.  They just need to be focused on.  

Of course, none of this is to say that our politicians know WTF they are doing in this arena.  They don't.  They don't even know enough to ask questions which is unfortunate.  If there was ever to be another branch of our military, it should be a cyber branch...not this Space Force bull####.

 
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The Commish said:
curious why you say this

Forgoing the broad brushes of course...the general sentiment is based on what exactly?
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The numbers of companies getting compromised by things like ransomware.  The number of large companies having breaches.  The number of smaller companies with poor cyber-security practices where they're in such rough shape they wouldn't even know if they'd been compromised.

I lead the IT department for a growing company of hundreds of people (small business) and we have a lot of good technology dedicated to security.  But we have employees traveling internationally, and there's a huge risk in other countries especially russia and china.  China for example has manufactured chips for many of our electronic devices and we know they've put backdoors into some of them.  They're able to go through devices via customs if desired.  Folks have the ability to affect the security of your VPN connections.  Folks in other countries can put their tech-spies in hotels where business travelers frequent and have them try to get into computers and steal business secrets from tech travelers who are unprepared.  Not only that, but they can gain access to the computers, and then possible back to the home networks.

Zero day exploits for many of the software and hardware out there can be utilized by hackers, and it takes a long time, if ever, for many companies to update their hardware/software.  Even on site, many folks can go on-site and plug into routers and get access to a lot of different network equipment.  There are examples of casino's that are huge and have huge security departments where they were hacked via something as simple as an internet-of-things thermometer connected to wifi in an aquarium.  Huge breach.

There is just too much asymmetry between the experts in malicious hacking and the normal guys using technology just to get back in business.

 
adonis said:
The numbers of companies getting compromised by things like ransomware.  The number of large companies having breaches.  The number of smaller companies with poor cyber-security practices where they're in such rough shape they wouldn't even know if they'd been compromised.

I lead the IT department for a growing company of hundreds of people (small business) and we have a lot of good technology dedicated to security.  But we have employees traveling internationally, and there's a huge risk in other countries especially russia and china.  China for example has manufactured chips for many of our electronic devices and we know they've put backdoors into some of them.  They're able to go through devices via customs if desired.  Folks have the ability to affect the security of your VPN connections.  Folks in other countries can put their tech-spies in hotels where business travelers frequent and have them try to get into computers and steal business secrets from tech travelers who are unprepared.  Not only that, but they can gain access to the computers, and then possible back to the home networks.

Zero day exploits for many of the software and hardware out there can be utilized by hackers, and it takes a long time, if ever, for many companies to update their hardware/software.  Even on site, many folks can go on-site and plug into routers and get access to a lot of different network equipment.  There are examples of casino's that are huge and have huge security departments where they were hacked via something as simple as an internet-of-things thermometer connected to wifi in an aquarium.  Huge breach.

There is just too much asymmetry between the experts in malicious hacking and the normal guys using technology just to get back in business.
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I see what you're saying now.  When I hear/talk about cyber security it's not the end user simply because there is exactly no way to control end user behavior and protect people 100% from themselves nor are you able to protect your company 100% from your employees.  As you well know, most attacks on companies come from within.  It's true that large companies like target etc are getting hacked more frequently.  Honestly?  They've never thought about security in the terms the pillar companies have.  The government hasn't thought of them that way either and they aren't required to exist at the same standards as say financial institutions and private national defense companies.  All of this is a problem because of the people and their awareness though, not because we as a country are behind technology wise.  

I will say, if you have proof of the bold, you need to go to the FBI ASAP.  This is a breach of international law and they need to know.

 
The Commish said:
I see what you're saying now.  When I hear/talk about cyber security it's not the end user simply because there is exactly no way to control end user behavior and protect people 100% from themselves nor are you able to protect your company 100% from your employees.  As you well know, most attacks on companies come from within.  It's true that large companies like target etc are getting hacked more frequently.  Honestly?  They've never thought about security in the terms the pillar companies have.  The government hasn't thought of them that way either and they aren't required to exist at the same standards as say financial institutions and private national defense companies.  All of this is a problem because of the people and their awareness though, not because we as a country are behind technology wise.  

I will say, if you have proof of the bold, you need to go to the FBI ASAP.  This is a breach of international law and they need to know.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-hack-how-china-used-a-tiny-chip-to-infiltrate-america-s-top-companies

Other examples are out there.

 
I don't know much about this area but I wish our Govt would spend the money on updating power grid to protect against EMP'S and cyber attacks.  Seems like a poor regime could easily attack us this way if they have smart folks.  We take for granted power and im guessing after two weeks without it would be like road warrior here in the states.

 
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boots11234 said:
I don't know much about this area but I wish our Govt would spend the money on updating power grid to protect against EMP'S and cyber attacks.  Seems like a poor regime could easily attack us this way if they have smart folks.  We take for granted power and im guessing after two weeks without it would be like road warrior here in the states.
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our power grids are privately owned :oldunsure:  

 
boots11234 said:
I don't know much about this area but I wish our Govt would spend the money on updating power grid to protect against EMP'S and cyber attacks.  Seems like a poor regime could easily attack us this way if they have smart folks.  We take for granted power and im guessing after two weeks without it would be like road warrior here in the states.
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This would have been a wise investment in a new branch of defense rather than Space Force.

 
adonis said:
From Russian attacks, to attacks on our infrastructure, to massive DDOS efforts, hacking of private companies...and what seems likely to be some form of technology-related sabotage with our armed services...

It sure seems like we as a nation are falling behind and are woefully unprepared to handle attacks from within and abroad as far as it relates to handling cyber attacks.

And what the hell happened to our people in Cuba with some sort of new weapon?

It feels like we aren't quite prepared as a country to protect ourselves on this new playing field.  It's quite concerning.
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We need to add this to our defense/military  budget and increase defense spending 

 
Gopher State said:
We need to add this to our defense/military  budget and increase defense spending 
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na....buy two less fighter jets a year and fund a program like this for a decades (probably more than that if they get the right people).  ZERO reason to increase the budget...just shift funds around.

 
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adonis said:
From Russian attacks, to attacks on our infrastructure, to massive DDOS efforts, hacking of private companies...and what seems likely to be some form of technology-related sabotage with our armed services...

It sure seems like we as a nation are falling behind and are woefully unprepared to handle attacks from within and abroad as far as it relates to handling cyber attacks.

And what the hell happened to our people in Cuba with some sort of new weapon?

It feels like we aren't quite prepared as a country to protect ourselves on this new playing field.  It's quite concerning.
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Thanks, Obama. 

I thought he solved all of our problems at the Beer summit?  Didn't this guy get a noble peace prize for....actually, I have no idea why he got the nobel peace prize.

Heck, Diane Feinstein employed and even knew about a Chinese agent on her staff and still did nothing.  I suppose you can't catch everything when you're focused on lining your pocketbook.

 
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SaintsInDome2006 said:
Criminal group that hacked law firm threatens to release Trump documents - A known criminal enterprise released a large set of stolen files, at least some of which appeared legitimate.

- A cyber group has hacked the private litigation and confidential files of prominent celebrities, including Donald Trump - allegedly - and they’re demanding $42 million.
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I'm sure the Trump supporters who were on board with releasing Hillary's emails will support releasing anything on Trump that voters may want to know, right?

 
adonis said:
I'm sure the Trump supporters who were on board with releasing Hillary's emails will support releasing anything on Trump that voters may want to know, right?
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It's not like we can stop it.  I'm all for ALL information coming to light, good or bad.  We should be doing that for everyone in Washington, not just cherry-picking those we don't like.

 
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BladeRunner said:
It's not like we can stop it.  I'm all for ALL information coming to light, good or bad.  We should be doing that for everyone in Washington, not just cherry-picking those we don't like.
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Yeah, we should encourage our nations enemies to hack our companies, law firms, and political campaigns and publicize anything they release.

Same thing goes for criminal groups looking to extort politicians!

Making america great again by undermining rule of law and encouraging chaos- AMIRITE?  High-five!

 
adonis said:
Yeah, we should encourage our nations enemies to hack our companies, law firms, and political campaigns and publicize anything they release.

Same thing goes for criminal groups looking to extort politicians!

Making america great again by undermining rule of law and encouraging chaos- AMIRITE?  High-five!
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Weird how you took what I posted, twisted it into something I never said and/or implied and then argued against that.  What is that called again?

You need to watch this, because this is exactly how you're acting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eq0X4qDlR0

 
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BladeRunner said:
Weird how you took what I posted, twisted it into something I never said and/or implied and then argued against that.  What is that called again?

You need to watch this, because this is exactly how you're acting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eq0X4qDlR0
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The context of my comment was in reference to an article about a hacking group threatening to release stolen data on Trump unless they're paid 40+ million.

I take issue with criminals or hostile foreign powers interfering in our elections.  I care about where the information comes from, you didn't make that distinction.  I am suggesting that criminals or hostile foreign powers shouldn't be the source of information we use in our elections.  You don't seem to agree with that and said you were for "ALL information coming to light, good or bad" thereby not drawing a distinction from information stolen, ransomed, or used to influence the elections in ways our enemies want.

 
BladeRunner said:
It's not like we can stop it.  I'm all for ALL information coming to light, good or bad.  We should be doing that for everyone in Washington, not just cherry-picking those we don't like.
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If you feel that way why would you support  Donald Trump? He fights tooth and nail to prevent transparency on everything public and private.

 
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