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The silver lining - Trumps successes/good moves in the eyes of those who generally oppose his policies and approach (1 Viewer)
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The Commish
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Probably shouldn't cuz, you know.....but, I'm gonna go ahead and give credit for getting the relief bill passed. 
The anit-socialist GOPers have to be pissed though.
The anit-socialist GOPers have to be pissed though.
The Commish
Footballguy
Probably shouldn't cuz, you know.....but, I'm gonna go ahead and give credit for getting the relief bill passed.
The anit-socialist GOPers have to be pissed though.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is where i was until i realized basically NO ONE plays the retail and the price of a drug could be 1000 different prices for 1000 different insurance plans. It's probably the smallest step forward i could imagine.
-fish-
Footballguy
That and the fact that Trump seems to have a strategy of figuring out what the democrats are willing to agree on, and then refusing to work on those things until they stop investigating him. He's a child.
The Commish
Footballguy
What do you want us to say? The 10,000 foot goal is great. If we've learned anything, the devil's in the details. Until we get any sort of meaningful legislation out of this administration (hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha) we have to just sit here and wait
Took me a while to find this thread. Two weeks of silence. I’m mildly surprised given the news about the Mexico gambit. I will say that Trump exercised his power well in this instance. Issuing a credible threat, he got a reasonable (albeit small) result with the threat of a tariff. While he may underestimate the damage done to US-Mexico relations in the long run, to get a quick “win” like he did was impressive.
timschochet
Footballguy
You might want to read a little more about that agreement. Turns out there was NO result at all that wasn’t already agreed to before the threat of tariffs.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
My biggest fear before Trump took office was that he’d get us into more wars.
While I think he has increased some long-term risk of future wars (e.g., by opposing worldwide free trade, by trying to weaken international treaties and relationships of various sorts), those things are reversible. And in the meantime, he seems to be sincerely averse to increased use of military force.
(While I’m not trying to go against the spirit of the thread with an asterisk, I do think that nuking the Iran deal was bad; he seems to have emboldened Noth Korea; and his appeasement of Russia and Saudi Arabia seems bad.)
Bottom line, my biggest fear about him seems to have been misplaced.
While I think he has increased some long-term risk of future wars (e.g., by opposing worldwide free trade, by trying to weaken international treaties and relationships of various sorts), those things are reversible. And in the meantime, he seems to be sincerely averse to increased use of military force.
(While I’m not trying to go against the spirit of the thread with an asterisk, I do think that nuking the Iran deal was bad; he seems to have emboldened Noth Korea; and his appeasement of Russia and Saudi Arabia seems bad.)
Bottom line, my biggest fear about him seems to have been misplaced.
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I don’t think the fact that we haven’t entered new wars absolves him of the fact he may have increased the risk of new wars, which he has. We live with that every day. We have been fortunate, but overall the world is a riskier and more dangerous place because of him.
timschochet
Footballguy
In no place is this more true than Israel/Palestine. By formally recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, I believe President Trump has guaranteed bloodshed for a whole new generation.
Donald Trump’s Huawei ban could backfire badly.
Google understands the risk to its dominance. It has just asked for the Android operating system to be exempted from the export ban. But it may be too late. Even if the Trump administration agrees or it lifts the ban as part of a broader trade deal, the Rubicon has been crossed, and the risk to Huawei and other Chinese companies has become visible.
Jobber
Footballguy
Well, handing over our entire cellular infrastructure to the Chinese government is much worse than Google having android sales issues.
ren hoek
Footballguy
It seems that some of the fronts on which antiwar folks have a problem with Trump- bombing Damascus and sanctioning Syria and backing Syrian rebels, sanctions and blatant provocations against Venezuela as a pretext for regime change, a more confrontational posture against Russia (and withdrawal from the INF treaty, which NATO supported)- have broad support among his supposed detractors. The neoconservatives have been pushing for an arms race with Russia for a long time, long before 2016; they were some of the loudest promulgators of Russia hysteria that certain people fell for. It could easily lead to full-blown war.
Others- like his veto of the bill to end US support of SA in Yemen, scrapping US participation in the Iran deal and sanctioning Iran- are widely condemned across the board. No one of import in either party wants to deal with Trump's deference to Netanyahu, or talk about how the special relationship is pulling us into the abyss. US needs to cut support of Israel and withdraw from middle east entirely.
The meeting with KJU was an incredibly important step. But his administration is packed with national security ghouls and US demands are completely absurd. NK saw what happened to Libya when they took the US in good faith- they'd be fools to surrender their nuclear deterrent so easily. Bad faith dunking on Trump always ignores SK's pleas to declare an end to the war and begin a durable peace process, and that country's overwhelming support for the Trump/Kim summits.
MAGA chuds still sticking to Q/'trust the plan' galaxybrain thinking, no matter what he does. I would argue he has started a new war; what he's done in Venezuela is an act of war. Period. He has escalated others, redrawn military protocol, and set the stage for all kinds of new ones. While there is some semblance of a person that knows this stuff is wrong and completely antithetical to what he might have once stood for, there is zero antiwar credibility at this point.
Ok, even I will concede this was the right decision by the White House:
Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1 2h2 hours ago
The White House wouldn't allow Steve King to fly today with Trump on Air Force One. Trump was traveling to Iowa. King, who reps part of Iowa, asked to join Trump's entourage. Admin officials rejected the request.
Kyle GriffinVerified account @kylegriffin1 2h2 hours ago
The White House wouldn't allow Steve King to fly today with Trump on Air Force One. Trump was traveling to Iowa. King, who reps part of Iowa, asked to join Trump's entourage. Admin officials rejected the request.
timschochet
Footballguy
Except that King’s most recent comments, the ones which finally got him into trouble after so many years, were nothing new. King had made just as awful and blatant bigoted and racist comments for years, and Trump has publicly praised and embraced the guy.
Mr Anonymous
Footballguy
I think I may have just awakened to what will go down as Trump's greatest contribution as U.S. President. He is putting on full display all of the various abuses of power, shameful turning of cheek, and lack of oversight that his predecessors in this office have enjoyed to varying degrees. Surely his successors, regardless of their party affiliation, will no longer partake in the same shadowy behavior. I mean, we Americans certainly aren't hypocrites. As soon as this guy is gone, future Presidents will have no choice but to be completely transparent and accountable. No more of this two or more Presidents did the same despicable things but only one is called to task for it. What a bright future that lies ahead.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
You’re right, except I fear they are simply setting new precedent and will get away with millions more in their pockets, and we will see no change as whoever is in power continues to abuse it.
You think this was about morals or optics? If King was a beautiful woman or rich (or both), he’d have been welcomed on board.
timschochet
Footballguy
I may be missing some details but it sounds like President Trump did some good work today with regard to health care:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/perspectives/hra-health-care-business-trump/index.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/13/perspectives/hra-health-care-business-trump/index.html
whoknew
Footballguy
I'm sure we are going to eventually hear that this is a way for Trump's businesses to get money from the gov't, but until then, this seems like a very good initiative:
White House announces plans to engage agencies, nonprofits and the private sector to provide former inmates "a second chance at success."
White House announces plans to engage agencies, nonprofits and the private sector to provide former inmates "a second chance at success."
I think this is one of the best threads in the PSF (#1 of course is the DJT tweet thread—nothing more entertaining than what comes directly from our President). The concept of hearing positives from Trump bashers feels like a good first step towards breaking down the tribal walls. Bump for the latest positive feedback from our Trump opposers. I’ve got nothing, myself, but I’ve been out of the loop news-wise lately.
Mookie
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
This definitely sounds like a good thing but I can't help but picture Trump as Mr. Burns speculating where he is going to get some blood & organs of the young.
He is right about this one. Paper straws are the worst.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-plastic-straws-083548363.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-plastic-straws-083548363.html
The Commish
Footballguy
From a PURELY selfish perspective, his negative impacts on the lobster industry here in Florida yielded the easiest mini-season I've ever done. We had our quota in about an hour (30 per day). Going back when the regular season opens and stockpiling the freezer
whoknew
Footballguy
I hadn't even heard about this one. I'm glad I clicked on this thread. I'd like to see if its possible to go even further. But good start.
Where did you go for the lobsters? The precise location is a closely guarded secret for some.From a PURELY selfish perspective, his negative impacts on the lobster industry here in Florida yielded the easiest mini-season I've ever done. We had our quota in about an hour (30 per day). Going back when the regular season opens and stockpiling the freezer
whoknew
Footballguy
From a PURELY selfish perspective, his negative impacts on the lobster industry here in Florida yielded the easiest mini-season I've ever done. We had our quota in about an hour (30 per day). Going back when the regular season opens and stockpiling the freezer
I don't know what any of this means. Can you explain to someone who just barely knows that the delicious lobster he eats actually lives in water?
The Commish
Footballguy
Boat GPS coordinance are left in wills....I am NOT kidding. We go into the keys. My FIL has a house on Big Pine Key. We've begun marking holes there, but he has a friend that we go with also and he goes into the channel off Cudjo Key...that's an experience. Depending on the tide, the current can be moving at 10-12 mph....it's crazy.
The Commish
Footballguy
In Florida we have spiny lobster....not the lobsters with the pinchers. You're basically after the tail meat. It's all around better than the cold water lobster IMO....sweeter and if cooked right not as mushy. Anyway....we have a mini-season which is the last Wed and Thurs of July that recreational divers can go diving before the main season starts a couple weeks after.
The lobsters live in "holes" with their antenna sticking out waiting for food to pass by. Holes are nothing more than old coral heads that have kind of died off. The sweet spot are ledges where there are multiple layers where the lobsters can just hang out. The hard part is finding the right conditions and right spots. The fun part is catching them. You take a bag, a fishing net and a tickle stick (which is thin metal pole with a wooden handle). When you find your lobster, you coax them out of their holes by tapping them on the butt with the tickle stick....they will walk out of their holes. When they do you put the net behind them and you've pretty much got them by then. They will flap their tails to try and get away, but they swim backwards right into the net. You then untangle them from the net and measure them to make sure they are large enough. Then you put them in the bag...rinse and repeat until you have your limit. During mini-season that's six per person per day. We have 5 people usually so that's 30 per day.
The Commish
Footballguy
Here's a decent video of what goes on under the water
This one is better....some pretty big ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZI9OGVnfw
I've never tried using the sticks with the loops on the end...might have to investigate those
This one is better....some pretty big ones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZI9OGVnfw
I've never tried using the sticks with the loops on the end...might have to investigate those
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The Commish
Footballguy
Anyway, when the tariffs went into effect it pretty much took the lobster guys here in Florida out of business. They can't compete with Canada and well over half the lobster caught here is sent to China and they pay a high premium for it. So, instead of continuing the season from Jan through April/May they shut up shop. Some are trying to wait it out, others have moved on. The commercial guys are allowed to start their season next week. They use traps and don't dive for them. Think Deadliest Catch on a MUCH smaller scale.
msommer
Footballguy
Don Quixote
Footballguy
I agree with him on windmills. Tilt at ‘em.
rockaction
Footballguy
I tried to buy that shirt at the Picasso museum in Barcelona. Alas, none were big enough for me.
(And I'm not totally unsvelte.)
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The Commish
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I'd like to point out that the dismantling of the administrative state admitted to by Bannon has begun through judicial appointments and noises coming from the Supreme Court about the nondelegation doctrine.
That's a plus for this conservative.
That's a plus for this conservative.
