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Ken Burns New Vietnam War Doc (1 Viewer)
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Don Quixote
Footballguy
Looking forward to this.
mr. furley
Footballguy
this better ####### be available via Roku 
it sure as hell doesn't come in over the air
it sure as hell doesn't come in over the air
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Bumping as a reminder that this starts tonight. Set your DVRs!
From what I've read and watched, this looks to be one of the better Ken Burns documentary series and I'm glad this was done now considering the age of the Vets. The score even includes new works by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross as well as Yo-Yo Ma!
From what I've read and watched, this looks to be one of the better Ken Burns documentary series and I'm glad this was done now considering the age of the Vets. The score even includes new works by Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross as well as Yo-Yo Ma!
McGarnicle
Footballguy
I wish it was dropping all at once netflix style. Looking forward to it though.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Would recommend The War, Prohibition, the Civil War, the Roosevelts, Central Park Five, and Jackie Robinson. Baseball too if you're a fan, but it's long.
He definitely has a knack for finding every nook & cranny of a subject.
jamny
Footballguy
Smack Tripper
Footballguy
Sehorn for this, can't wait
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
They gonna dig up Shelby Foote for this?
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
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McGarnicle
Footballguy
Yep this is awesome, no need to wait to binge the whole thing. PBS stations are showing episodes 1-5 tonight through Thursday, then 6-10 next Sunday through Thursday. Plus the online streaming option. On the Sam Harris podcast, Burns said all 10 will be available starting tonight. I see a PBS app on Roku, will check to see if it works. Hopefully they have the explicit language version.
ragincajun
Footballguy
Damn PBS app isn't working?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Good first episode. Highlights:
1. They were a French colony, thus the banh mi sandwich.
2. They don't go to the dentist.
1. They were a French colony, thus the banh mi sandwich.
2. They don't go to the dentist.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
Interesting to see events unfold in the context of what was happening in Korea, China and Russia, as well as our own political climate here at home. I already learned a ton of crap I didn't know.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Still a cluster#### - the stupidest game of "Who's in charge here?!" ever played. We may have taken the most ruinous possible tack, but it was never going to come out well. Because he's done such a good job making sense of history, i'd hoped ken Burns would have some impact on my 50 yr case of agita, but nope. Still a good show.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I really enjoyed the first episode. Nicely done so far.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
In. Agree with everyone who enjoyed the first episode.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I'll have to DVR and check it out. I really like many of the docs Burns has done but Vietnam isn't a major area of interest for me and these are big investments. If the buzz is good, I'll go along for the ride.
Oddly, my wife, who doesn't care about any non WW2 related history, wants to watch it. I'm guessing she will be bored out of her mind about 15 minutes in.
Oddly, my wife, who doesn't care about any non WW2 related history, wants to watch it. I'm guessing she will be bored out of her mind about 15 minutes in.
McGarnicle
Footballguy
PBS app on Roku is 
All 10 episodes streaming and they have the explicit version.
All 10 episodes streaming and they have the explicit version.
mr. furley
Footballguy
there's #######?PBS app on Roku is
All 10 episodes streaming and they have the explicit version.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
One episode in and so far no "Fortunate Son" or "All Along the Watchtower". 
Charlie Steiner
Footballguy
Said the joker to the thief.One episode in and so far no "Fortunate Son" or "All Along the Watchtower".
There it is
Footballguy
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
Really enjoying this so far. It's funny but even with 50+ years of hindsight, I can sort of see why so many people felt so strongly that we had to get involved and stay involved. We think of Global Communism as a historical artifact and a punchline now, but people felt very differently back then and it's much harder to have that objective distance when you're living through something.
Redwes25
Footballguy
Agree but was surprising to see JFK admit that they weren't going to win so early in the war but he needed to stay in it to win the election. The entire war is a giant tragedy.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Good point. While there were plenty of people back then that didn't buy into the Domino Theory, it was absolutely plausible and real to most policy makers in the US.
And I don't remember which episode it was but somebody made a good point about how WWII made people hyper-aware of stopping dictatorships before they became too powerful.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Folks in this thread may find this a worthwhile listen: Sam Harris discusses Vietnam War with Ken Burns
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
I think I heard that in the doc itself. It's important for us to remember that all of the military lessons U.S. leadership brought to Vietnam were learned in World War II and Korea to a lesser extent. I can empathize with those who struggled with the notion that we weren't just fighting a government, we were fighting an idea that most of a country was totally committed to.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
And the footage - i realize he had more to work with than Matthew Brady daguerrotypes this time, but Nam was pretty scattershot coveragewise in the first decade but he & his people had footage - which they had to mine the majority of from leftover Viet Minh sources - for everything they talked about and that's miraculous.
On Domino, the guys who taught me hippieness - Free Speech, SDS, on&on&on about Algeria and Fanon beatnik types - would never let go of the similarities between Ho/Diem and Mosedegh/Pahlevi in terms of early CIA working for MIC on everything. Burns shows remarkable restraint in the first two eps to not target the M-I Complex's hand in all this, which would politicize viewers away instantly.
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ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
The thing that strikes me the most, 2 episodes in, is how sympathetic a character Ho Chi Minh seems to be. Ive heard his name all my life, but never really knew anything about him. To hear his history, and his belief that America would support/save Vietnam from the oppressive colonialism of the French, and then to see all the myriad political snafus that had us backing the wrong dog in the fight, is tragic.
Also, JFK may have been our last great president, before television killed the integrity of the office. I go back and forth on my opinion of him, and disagree with some of his policies (given that i have the benefit if hindsight) but he seems like a real-life Jeb Bartlett. At least he understood what the office meant.
Also, JFK may have been our last great president, before television killed the integrity of the office. I go back and forth on my opinion of him, and disagree with some of his policies (given that i have the benefit if hindsight) but he seems like a real-life Jeb Bartlett. At least he understood what the office meant.
