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Fox news cracks me up...Benghazi! Hillary! Comey! AOC! (2 Viewers)
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Footballguy
He claimed that he was selling his stake because he was too busy with his nightly Fox show.
Since when does "being an investor" require anything more than money?
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
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roadkill1292
Footballguy
Fox updated reporting now claiming that attendance figures from last nights rally are "disputed."
roadkill1292
Footballguy
"For their next stunt, American teenagers will block Fox News on their grandparents cable boxes."
joffer
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Here's Fox cropping Trump out of an Epstein/Maxwell pic.
- Left Melania in, but she looks like Melania of old, not the current version.
- Left Melania in, but she looks like Melania of old, not the current version.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Trump walked onto that Qanon ledge with the "dark shadows" nonsense and Laura pulled him right back.
Mookie
Footballguy
And did he equate a cop shooting a protester or unarmed black man with "choking" on the golf course?
Joe Summer
Footballguy
Yes. He also questioned police tactics by saying "Couldn't you have done something different? Couldn't you have wrestled him?"
When Biden asked if cops could shoot people in the legs, conservatives went ballistic (pardon the pun) and used it as an example of Biden being unfit for office.
-jb-
Footballguy
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Wow. They are really grasping with this article.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-whitmer-assassination-attempt-nbc-meet-the-press-interview
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-whitmer-assassination-attempt-nbc-meet-the-press-interview
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Footballguy
It's not entirely Fox's fault here, as the conspiracy theory was being pushed by the Trump campaign and Fox is expected to report all those theories with a straight face.
You can tell how much Fox is trying to distance themselves from Trump by the language used in the headline -- i.e., "Trump Campaign Says Gretchen Whitmer 'Encouraging Assassination...'" vs "Gretchen Whitmer Encouraging Assassination".
KiddLattimer
Footballguy
It's not technically Fox News but I listened to Hannity's radio show a few times last week. It cracks me up how he repeatedly hammers on the "Biden is going to take orders from 'Bolshevik Bernie' and AOC".
So the DNC went to great lengths to make sure Sanders wasn't the nominee because they wanted Biden to take orders from him?
So the DNC went to great lengths to make sure Sanders wasn't the nominee because they wanted Biden to take orders from him?
Bamboo Bill
Footballguy
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/20/biden-transition-republican-cabinet-429972It's not technically Fox News but I listened to Hannity's radio show a few times last week. It cracks me up how he repeatedly hammers on the "Biden is going to take orders from 'Bolshevik Bernie' and AOC".
So the DNC went to great lengths to make sure Sanders wasn't the nominee because they wanted Biden to take orders from him?
Yenrub
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
Hannity : I don't vet the information that I give out
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1333594597260333056?s=20
https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1333594597260333056?s=20
Thunderlips
Footballguy
You're through the Looking Glass.It's not technically Fox News but I listened to Hannity's radio show a few times last week. It cracks me up how he repeatedly hammers on the "Biden is going to take orders from 'Bolshevik Bernie' and AOC".
So the DNC went to great lengths to make sure Sanders wasn't the nominee because they wanted Biden to take orders from him?
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Don't worry. In 6 months President Harris will sack them all and install the real far left agenda acolytes.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
https://prospect.org/power/former-biden-chief-of-staff-is-fox-news-top-lobbyist/
https://www.opensecrets.org/revolving/rev_summary.php?id=82241
Former Biden Chief of Staff is Fox News’ Top Lobbyist
A former key Biden official began lobbying for the rightwing news channel in July, a recent filing shows. by Alex Kotch September 20, 2019
....But Fox also hired another political figure: Danny O’Brien, a former top aide to Democratic former vice president and current presidential candidate Joe Biden. From March 2003 to August 2006, O’Brien was then Senator Biden’s Chief of Staff.....
In October 2018, Fox Corporation named O’Brien as its executive vice president and head of government relations, the company’s chief lobbying position. Over the past few years, Fox News and the Trump White House have enjoyed a well-oiled revolving door, but O’Brien’s hire doesn’t fit that pattern.
According to a lobbying report posted in late July, O’Brien began officially lobbying for Fox News in the second quarter of 2019, his first registered federal lobbying activities, according to Senate records. Along with two others, O’Brien lobbied Congress on various issues including online privacy and data collection, sports betting, advertising, the First Amendment, and “media ownership.”
Thunderlips
Footballguy
What crime is Hannity pushing Trump to pardon himself for? Isn't accepting a pardon technically an acknowledgement of guilt?
GordonGekko
Footballguy
https://www.courthousenews.com/hunter-biden-paternity-case-ends-in-settlement-with-arkansas-woman/
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/hunter-and-hallie-biden-break-up
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/exclusive-hunter-biden-talks-married-days-life-best/story?id=66333924
Optics.
Hunter Biden has managed to get divorced from the mother of his first set of children where she filed publicly that he spent all their money, meant for taking care of the family, on drugs and hookers. He then dated his dead brother's widow. He then got a stripper pregnant who dragged him into court for refusing to pay child support. He married a girl after knowing her for six days ( clearly a marriage as a PR salvage job/crisis management op). He has videos of him having sex with girls overseas who might be considered underage here in the US while smoking a crack pipe. His family connections got him a military job where he got turfed for failing a drug test. He's been associated with being a bag man for pay for influence concerning foreign powers that are clear and natural aggressors to US interests.
By extension through Joe Biden, by proxy, this hurts the Georgia run off for Ossoff and Warnock, and the latter already has optics problems of his own.
The DNC can't risk losing female voters and family value oriented voters.
Hunter Biden needs to be shelved. Typical crisis management ops in this situation is to push him into the shadows for about six months then have him come out as a substance abuse counselor for a non profit. Give him a redemption arc. This buys time to clean house with anyone linked to those sex videos. His new wife is going to need to get pregnant and this gives the pathway to a "fresh start" position. The stripper can be bought off in cash and neutralized with an NDA. She's too public now to get cleaned up. Hunter Biden's original kids will need some kind of on camera mea culpa moment from him. His ex wife will be paid off, given an NDA and incentivized to get married again to a clean profile clear Beta type. You can't have the step dad look like more of a leader than Hunter Biden.
This is pure spin control. He's a complete liability. For a high level crisis management firm, this is their Mona Lisa test case. This is proof of life that they can solve any media churn.
Dickies
Footballguy
GordonGekko
Footballguy
“The antagonism between life and conscience may be removed either by a change of life or by a change of conscience.”
― Tolstoy
I've seen people say this, but I don't see how it makes sense. Probably the single best reason to pardon someone is because he's completely innocent.
If it's okay -- more than okay! -- to pardon innocent people, accepting a pardon can't possibly be an admission of guilt.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The spin will be that Trump and his family & friends have done nothing wrong but the president is just doing the pardons as a way of protecting them from any lies/hoaxes/fake news dreamed up by the Deep State.
And his base will eat that up like a hungry dog being fed a steak.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
Godsbrother said:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/one-word-bars-trump-pardoning-himself/617170/
Even if Trump could find a pathway to pardon himself ( that's a matter for legal/Constitutional dispute) it's not very likely. Not even close.
To run in 2024, Trump needs to stay in the daily media cycle. If Biden and the DNC sends the FBI/DOJ after Trump and the Trump Organization, likely via RICO, but swing and MISS, then they've built him his own springboard to platform off into a Trump TV narrative and then propel him into the RNC ticket. The media spin will be simple. "The DNC tried to hang me with Russia and impeachment and then a fake RICO attempt and I'm still standing. They aren't after me, the establishment is after you, I'm just standing in their way"
Here are the practical problems
1) The DOJ and FBI could miss on target here. This isn't a simple situation and a lot rests on Michael Cohen and the optics around him aren't purely clean. They just aren't and it won't help all the DNC media strikes on Cohen now can get flipped back into Trump's narrative. You hated Cohen, you said he was a snake, but now you want the American public to believe him when it suits your special interests/political tribalism. We also don't know what Trump and/or Trump internal loyalists might have on Cohen and are holding back strategically.
2) This opens Pandora's Box. Trump was a "political outsider", he was not however a socioeconomic/class/elite/financial outsider. His entire life has been around these people, they may be his threats and competition now, but they were his peers and social circle before. What dirt does he have on them? I'm not going to pretend Trump is clean. No billionaire is clean. No one in politics is clean. But if Trump is facing a legit RICO bombardment, he's going to dead man switch everything he has on everyone. This also means no former POTUS is immune anymore either. The informal understanding that let's POTUS be immune in retirement is going to burn down. Can Dubya, Clinton and Obama survive that kind of scrutiny? Can their spouses and kids? Let's not mince it, if you put a POTUS in prison, it could be Trump, it could be Daffy Duck, then everyone is now free game, including a previous understanding that family was also immune. Is Chelsea Clinton totally clean? She's getting 600K a year to do what exactly? Do you think the Clinton Foundation wants those deep eyes on them?
3) Trump still has loyalists in Congress who have gone past the point of no return. They've backed Trump too long to reverse. Matt Gaetz and Ted Cruz will use a Trump trial to justify going on the hunt throughout DC. Ilhan Omar funneled nearly three million dollars in campaign money to her "husband's" political consulting firm. When Katie Hill's movie comes out, Cruz is going to bracket her just to prove a point that getting the boot won't save you. They'll dig after softball targets first and then work down the list.
Follow.The.Money.
The DNC will naturally retaliate by going after softballs like Lindsay Graham/Kelly Loeffler and you'll have a free fire zone where no one has political cover. Your spouse. Your kids. Your siblings. Your parents. If you go after Donald Jr, Eric and Ivanka, and there's probably plenty to hang them on, then everyone's kids are fair game. And it will start with Hunter Biden first. No MSM suppression will be able to stop that then. The guy is on legal file where his ex wife said he stopped paying the bills/feeding his kids so he could buy crack and pay hookers. This just doesn't detonate Biden, it spins out of control into all the other Obama loyalists. Jack Dorsey won't be able to stop that story twice.
If Trump is guilty of something, and he is, there's no doubt in my mind, then go for it; put him in prison. But he won't be the first. The people are the mob and the mob demands it's bread and circuses. The carnage afterwards will gut every major power broker in the DNC. It will make the bombing of Dresden look like a slow ride to Grandma's house.
Why would Trump pardon himself? ( This assumes he can manage the legality of actually doing it) It doesn't feed his 2024 narrative. He WANTS Biden and the DNC to come after him. He LIKES to fight. He LIKES to troll the MSM. He SAVORS his man against the establishment fantasy. It FEEDS his narcissism.
Some, not all, liberals sure do love their political revenge porn.
Has Donald J Trump ever punted? And he's gonna start now?
apalmer
Footballguy
You mean besides the times he caved to lawsuits over discriminatory housing and the illegal use of his "charitable foundation", the times he declared bankruptcy, when he made hush payments to porn stars and similar actions? Nah, never.
The Commish
Footballguy
Or the time he completely reversed course on legislation because Ann Coulter was making fun of him? Not exactly sure what "punted" means here....doesn't seem to be the standard definition as the standard definition happens frequently...like with most bullies when punched in the mouth.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
https://medium.com/the-innovation/10-surprising-reasons-why-narcissists-apologize-89da626861b3
2. Narcissists are comfortable with lying.
When a narcissist apologizes, they’re not admitting they were at fault or did something wrong. Narcissists lie all the time, and an apology is just another lie they use to get back any attention or admiration they may have lost.
5. Narcissists use apologies to return the advantage to them.
Narcissists seem to think saying they’re sorry and will get them instant forgiveness. An apology is a get-out-of-jail-free card for narcissists, and when they play it, it’s to get back their power — not give it away.
6. Narcissists know apologizing can help repair their image.
If they refuse to say they’re sorry, they’ll come off as mean, unkind, arrogant, and unpleasant. Refusal to apologize will cause the narcissist’s mask to slip a little. No one wants to be around someone who won’t apologize.
8. An apology is a calculated move.
Narcissists say they’re sorry so all the negativity and tension will go away, and you can get back to worshipping them.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/narcissism-demystified/202009/13-fake-apologies-used-narcissists
The Pay-to-Play Apology: "I'll apologize if..."
“I’ll apologize if you will.”
“I will apologize if you agree never to bring it up again.”
“I will apologize, but you have to forgive me.”
Narcissists are transactional. These are not clean, freely offered apologies; they are attempts at a quid pro quo.
*****
I believe Donald J Trump is a narcissist. Which is not that uncommon for a professional politician. I also believe Hillary Clinton is a straight up psychopath. That Biden has dementia, that Dubya was deeply on the autistic spectrum, that Reagan was a bigot and a racist, that AOC has borderline personality disorder and that Obama is a no holds barred sociopath. ( Those are political opinions, people are allowed to have them without being burned at the stake, I'm sure some of you stop sharpening your political tribalism pitchforks long enough to disagree. ) You have to be pretty messed up on some level to want this kind of lifestyle. There are countless studies and articles out there about politicians and which cluster best suits their pathology.
For Trump to seek a pardon, it would be the entire loss of his identity. It's not a single surrender of some individual issue but would be a total surrender of his ego and identity. It would be self inflicting a narcissistic collapse. No actual narcissist would do that on their own.
Dr. Sam Vaknin - Collapsed Narcissism:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ryBTnHnZno
Some of you lefties want to fulfill some political porn outrage. You want Trump on his knees begging. Even if you take it outside of narcissism, it's not logical in any way. First, again, since no one addressed it the first time, there is no guarantee political pathway to ensure that Trump can, via the Constitution, pardon himself. Why would he expose himself to something that might fail legally? Second, it takes away all his agency in terms of political strategy. It's assessing him to be completely incompetent tactically, which is just not true. Third, it would only happen as a pathway to a guarantee that the DNC could push forth a legal assault that could, WITHOUT DOUBT, convict him. Why would Trump seek a self pardon unless the risk to do otherwise was an absolute? Do any of you think dragging Trump into court and relying almost solely on Michael Cohen will slam dunk put him in the pokey? I think not.
Jim Jordan grills Dems’ ‘star witness’ Taylor in impeachment hearing
1,708,012 views •Nov 13, 2019
Ohio Congressman Jim Jordan questions top U.S. diplomat to Ukraine William Taylor why there were three meetings with Ukrainian President Zelensky but the link with foreign aid did not come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJcv2pQ1PsU
Rep. Jim Jordan pushes back against House Democrats' impeachment evidence, including Gordon Sondland's supposedly 'explosive' testimony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O40quspfnUc
Ohio Republican Rep. Jim Jordan presses former Special Counsel Robert Mueller on the origins of the Trump-Russia collusion investigation. Jordan says maybe a better course of action is to figure out how the false accusations started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKSKKLAStK0
The Trump/Russia thing didn't go so well did it? Jim Jordan went full John Wick on everyone there. Any of you think an actual public trial of Trump on RICO charges is a slam dunk? Enough of one to force him into a self pardon, that's no legal guarantee, and to deny his actual narcissism?
"Orange Man Bad" has blinded many of you from basic political reality, actual political strategy, actual legal consideration and the basic dynamics of human behavior.
I wish one of you would just have the balls to come out and say you want Trump on his knees and to see him beg for mercy because you would enjoy it like some some kind of kink via outraged woke masturbatory political porn. The irony of clear sadists in denial demanding the scalp of a narcissist. I'd laugh it if didn't generate so much pity.
apalmer
Footballguy
Yeah, and now Jim Jordan is going full John Wick on Dr. Fauci. It seems he goes full John Wick on anyone who dares to disagree with Donald Trump. Too bad he didn't have the same motivation when he was busy covering up sexual abuse.
GordonGekko
Footballguy
https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/impeachment-hearings-first-day-transcript-bill-taylor-george-kent-testimony-transcript
Jim Jordan: (04:38)
And then what you have in front of you is an addendum that Mr. Sondland made to his testimony that we got a couple of weeks ago. It says “Declaration of Ambassador Gordon Sondland, I Gordon Sondland do hereby swear and affirm as follows.” I want you to look at point number two ,bullet point number two, second sentence. “Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told Ambassador Taylor that I told Mr. Morrison that I conveyed this message to Mr. Yermak on September 1st, 2019 in connection with Vice President Pence’s visit to Warsaw and a meeting with President Zelensky.”
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Jim Jordan: (05:21)
We’ve got six people having four conversations in one sentence and you just told me this is where you got your clear understanding. Even though you had three opportunities with President Zelensky, for him to tell you, “You know what, we’re going to do these investigations to get the aid.” Didn’t tell you three different times. Never makes an announcement, never tweets about it. Never does a CNN interview. Ambassador, you weren’t on the call, were you? You didn’t listen in on President Trump’s call and President Zelensky’s call.
Bill Taylor: (05:46)
I did not.
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Jim Jordan: (05:49)
You never met the president.
Bill Taylor: (05:51)
That’s correct.
......
Jim Jordan: (05:58)
And President Zelensky never made an announcement. This is what I can’t believe. And you’re their star witness. You’re their first witness, but you’re the guy, based on this, based on… I mean, I’ve seen church prayer chains that are easier to understand than this. Ambassador Taylor recalls, and Mr. Morrison told. Now again, this is, I hereby swear and affirm from Gordon Sondland. “Ambassador Taylor recalls that Mr. Morrison told Ambassador Taylor that I told Mr. Morrison that I conveyed this message to Mr. Yermak on September 1st 20 … this all happens by the way, this all happens by the way, in Warsaw when Vice President Pence meets with President Zelensky and guess what? They didn’t talk about any linkage either.
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Jim Jordan: (00:27)
And that’s the point. What you heard did not happen. It didn’t happen. You had three meetings with the guy. He could have told you. He didn’t announce he was going to do an investigation before the aid happen. It’s not just, could it have been wrong? The fact is it was wrong because it didn’t happen. The whole point was you had a clear understanding that aid will not get released unless there’s a commitment. Not maybe, not I think the aid might happen, and it’s my hunch is going to get released. You used clear language, clear understanding and commitment and those two things didn’t happen. So you had to be wrong.
*****
https://time.com/5557693/mueller-report-cost/
"Between May 17, 2017 — the day Mueller was appointed Special Counsel — through Sept. 30, 2018, his office spent $12,287,852. This includes $7.3 million on salaries and benefits, $1.3 million on travel and transportation, and $2.2 million on rent and utilities. In the most recent of the three expense reports filed, the Special Counsel’s office also says it spent $15,618 on printing and copying needs.
Not included in these figures are “component expenses” incurred by the Department of Justice at large. These additional costs totaled $12,928,000, though the DOJ says it was not legally required to report them, and that they are approximate to what the DOJ would have spent elsewhere if the Special Counsel’s Office didn’t exist.
Mueller’s office has not yet filed an expense report for the last six months of his investigation, but including the DOJ’s contributions, the total reported cost so far is $25.2 million.
The fourth and final expense report has not yet been released, though it is likely that it will come out soon. The first three reports totaled approximately $6.8 million, $10 million and $8.5 million, respectively. So the last one, if comparable to the others, would make the final dollar amount of Mueller’s probe between $32 million and $35 million.
....
Mueller’s team included 19 lawyers supported by 40 FBI agents, along with intelligence analysts, forensic accountants and other staff, according to Attorney General William Barr’s summary of the report from March.
The probe, which lasted from May 2017 to March 2019"
*****
Weak attempt at trying to change the subject.
The point again being trying to prosecute Trump and putting him in prison is no sure thing. It's not an absolute. A trial of that nature could take years and vast resources and it would give Trump a daily platform to run again while dominating the daily media cycle if he prevailed. So far, no one in this thread has presented a specific charge that would absolutely result in Trump ending up in prison.
Why does Trump seek a self pardon, where there is shaky legal basis to do so, there is no absolute guarantee he'd be convicted, and when he's shown he has been able to prevail politically anyway?
Amusing absolutely no one here will actually address that question.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Fox News launches "purge" to get rid of real journalists
One of the fired staffers is the guy who called Arizona for Biden.
One of the fired staffers is the guy who called Arizona for Biden.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
I actually thought Fox was incorrect to call that one that early. It was still a toss-up and the guy just got lucky.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
For some reason my local Fox station isn't carrying the inauguration.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Don't want to get accused of inciting riots by Democrats and have their station banned.
SWC
Bromigo
The General
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
There is something I find amusing about a “news” network that complains about cancel culture and has guests like Hawley whine about being “silenced” and then literally cancels Lou Dobbs after they were sued for spreading Trump’s big lie about the election.
