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12 minutes ago, [icon] said:

If any Morris believers are actual believers, I'll welcome a side bet that DMC gets more carries in the event Zeke is suspended: 

• $100ea paid escrow to neutral 3rd party before Friday. 
• If suspension is pushed back to 2018, bets are refunded.
• If Zeke is suspended, the back with more carries during that suspension wins. 
• Either back getting injured (Deemed Out due to injury for 2+ games) during suspension voids the wager. 

Any takers? @cloppbeast? I like free money :popcorn: 

Bump for the current page.. if anyone actually believes that Morris is the guy. 

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Just now, SCT said:

Correct, why would they not sign a rb after they lose one?  DJ was not the man until Kerwynn shat.  If Kerwynn had produced well, he would still be the man.  CJ was cut instead of Kerwynn because they thought Kerwynn was better.

There could be a lot of reasons why Arizona cut Johnson and kept Williams.

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11 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Bump for the current page.. if anyone actually believes that Morris is the guy. 

Not really in fact. More of the belief that McFadden isn't "the guy". It's more likely a RBBC.

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3 minutes ago, SCT said:

Correct, why would they not sign a rb after they lose one?  DJ was not the man until Kerwynn shat.  If Kerwynn had produced well, he would still be the man.  CJ was cut instead of Kerwynn because they thought Kerwynn was better.

Sounds like you're grasping at straws. Kerwynn was a COP and ST guy. Much like AlfMo. And CJ2K was a similar runner to DJ who did not play ST... similar to DMC. (to clarify, I'm saying AlfMo is also COP, not ST).

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6 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Not really in fact. More of the belief that McFadden isn't "the guy". It's more likely a RBBC.

Ahhhh we're backing down I see.... 

I'll say 60/40 split or greater between DMC and Morris during the suspension. Game? 

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11 minutes ago, davearm said:

There could be a lot of reasons why Arizona cut Johnson and kept Williams.

They probably cut Johnson because they thought he was a better back up for DJ, and kept Williams because he was a better COP. :D

 

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Just now, cloppbeast said:

They probably cut Johnson because they thought he was a better back up for DJ, and kept Williams because he was a better COP. :D

 

You... you realize this has been proven to be true already, right?

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11 minutes ago, ATB said:

You... you realize this has been proven to be true already, right?

It's been proven that CJ is a better back up.

What hasn't been proven is what the Cardinals thought when they cut him.

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9 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

It's been proven that CJ is a better back up.

What hasn't been proven is what the Cardinals thought when they cut him.

That's so fu##ing silly, dude. I'm sorry but it is. You think they couldn't see that he was the better back when they cut him? You think they thought Kerwynn fu##ing Williams was gonna be THE guy if DJ went down? 

No. They weren't looking that far ahead. They're not holding CJ2K on their bench instead of Kerwynn Williams who is doing double-duty by returning kicks for them and they have Ellington as their best COP, 3rd down back. 

He's redundant with DJ as their bell cow. 

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15 minutes ago, ATB said:

That's so ####### silly, dude. I'm sorry but it is. You think they couldn't see that he was the better back when they cut him? You think they thought Kerwynn ####### Williams was gonna be THE guy if DJ went down? 

No. They weren't looking that far ahead. They're not holding CJ2K on their bench instead of Kerwynn Williams who is doing double-duty by returning kicks for them and they have Ellington as their best COP, 3rd down back. 

He's redundant with DJ as their bell cow. 

Fair enough. 

But as for the Cowboys.

Morris is not a third down back. He doesn't play special teams. At best he's a COP because he has a different style to Elliot as you say. That could be a reason for sitting McFadden. But it doesn't mean that McFadden is clearly the plug and play for Zeke when he goes out.

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So no Morris supporters are willing to lay $100 that he gets a mere 40% of RB carries if Zeke is suspended? 

Im curious what these Morris supporters think the split looks like if they're afraid to bet against a 60/40 split in DMC's favor? Anyone care to actually directly answer this with a DMC/Morris split they project? 

He's not the guy!
...Well.. I mean... he may get 2/3 of the carries... but he's not the guy. 

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4 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Fair enough.

But as for the Cowboys.

Morris is not a third down back. He doesn't play special teams. At best he's a COP because he has a different style to Elliot as you say. That could be a reason for sitting McFadden. But it doesn't mean that McFadden is clearly the plug and play for Zeke when he goes out.

I admit that it looks more complicated than many of us believe that it is. As with the Cards, it would be redundant to carry another RB who offers the same skillset as their lead back. He's not coming in on 3rd downs, he's not playing ST, so what is he doing? He's just sitting there all game long. No point in it. 

But also, if they're scratching him every game... why not cut him? 

No one has asked that yet from what I've read. 

If you're arguing that DMC is a healthy scratch because Morris is the real backup... why is he even on the team?

My theory is that they signed an extension with DMC primarily because of the cloud of a possible suspension looming over the team. 

In the same way that the Cards could not foresee a DJ injury and therefore did not keep CJ2K on the team, the Cowboys can foresee the loss of Zeke as a very real and even likely possibility and, therefore, cannot afford to let him walk into FA. 

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16 minutes ago, ATB said:

I admit that it looks more complicated than many of us believe that it is. As with the Cardinals, it would be redundant to carry another RB who offers the same skillset as their lead back. He's not coming in on 3rd downs, he's not playing ST, so what is he doing? He's just sitting there all game long. No point in it. 

But also, if they're scratching him every game... why not cut him? 

No one has asked that yet from what I've read. 

If you're arguing that DMC is a healthy scratch because Morris is the real backup... why is he even on the team?

My theory is that they signed as extension with DMC primarily because of the cloud of a possible suspension looming over the team. 

In the same way that the Cards could not foresee a DJ injury and therefore did not keep CJ2K on the team, the Cowboys can foresee the loss of Zeke as a very real and even likely possibility and, therefore, cannot afford to let him walk into FA. 

NFL teams scratch a lot of guys every week. I think they can roster 53 but can only dress 46 or something. And last year the Cowboys still kept McFadden on the 53 man roster even without a looming suspension for Zeke.

Different teams have different approaches. What the Cards did with CJ has nothing to do with how the Cowboys plan to deal the the loss of Zeke.

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Just now, cloppbeast said:

NFL teams scratch a lot of guys every week. I think they can roster 53 but can only dress 46 or something. And last year the Cowboys still kept McFadden on the 53 man roster even without a looming suspension for Zeke.

Different teams have different approaches. What the Cards did with CJ has nothing to do with how the Cowboys plan to deal the the loss of Zeke.

DMC was still under contract with them until this past offseason, when they could've chosen to let him walk and just keep AlfMo as their backup. 

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11 minutes ago, ATB said:

DMC was still under contract with them until this past offseason, when they could've chosen to let him walk and just keep AlfMo as their backup. 

ok.

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4 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

ok.

No argument as to why they would extend their contract with him only to scratch him every game thereafter without releasing him?

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35 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

They probably cut Johnson because they thought he was a better back up for DJ, and kept Williams because he was a better COP. :D

 

 It's really, really simple.

 

Guys like David Johnson, Elliot, Leveon.... they don't need a primary backup.  A similar, but lesser back that can play all 3 downs (Deangelo Williams, CJ2k, McFadden) are less valuable on gameday than a guy who is more of a specialist (and is more valuable to the roster with them demanding less pay) or can play special teams (which are plays where injuries occur more frequently, thus the need for more backups)

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19 minutes ago, ATB said:

No argument as to why they would extend their contract with him only to scratch him every game thereafter without releasing him?

You'll have to ask the Cowboys.

I can only say that none of the facts bestowed in this thread scream to me that McFadden is in line for 20+ carries a game when Zeke get suspended. You can feel the way you feel, I'll feel the way I feel.

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8 minutes ago, ATB said:

No argument as to why they would extend their contract with him only to scratch him every game thereafter without releasing him?

They might really need him in a few weeks and they know he's old and brittle. 

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3 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

You'll have to ask the Cowboys.

I can only say that none of the facts bestowed in this thread scream to me that McFadden is in line for 20+ carries a game when Zeke get suspended. You can feel the way you feel, I'll feel the way I feel.

But I'm actually making a cogent argument and you're unable to refute it. That seems more like "I'm basing my stance on my feels" than anything logical. 

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11 minutes ago, ATB said:

But I'm actually making a cogent argument and you're unable to refute it. That seems more like "I'm basing my stance on my feels" than anything logical. 

Before you have a link with a quote from Jason Garrett or somebody else from the Cowboys, your argument is just a theory. A theory to which I don't subscribe. To each is own. 

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38 minutes ago, [icon] said:

So no Morris supporters are willing to lay $100 that he gets a mere 40% of RB carries if Zeke is suspended? 

Im curious what these Morris supporters think the split looks like if they're afraid to bet against a 60/40 split in DMC's favor? Anyone care to actually directly answer this with a DMC/Morris split they project? 

He's not the guy!
...Well.. I mean... he may get 2/3 of the carries... but he's not the guy. 

Bump for @cloppbeast 

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12 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

:deadhorse:

 

So... you don't have a position, but are more than happy to tell people they're wrong without actually extending your own version of what you think will happen? One of those types... notebook adjusted. 

My stance (in case you don't know what one looks like):
DMC comes in to at least a 60/40 split.. likely closer to 70/30 or better in most games. He likely averages low end RB1 / solid RB2 numbers while Morris rises to "desperation flex" status from his current "unrosterable" status. This is based on DMC's past 1000yd bellcow status in this offense, and Morris' past and present role as a limited role-player in this offense. 

Tag me if you ever actually develop an actual, legitimate stance on this topic.... I'd love to read it.  :thumbup: 

 

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Most people would agree that it is going to be a RBBC situation IF Zeke's suspension goes down this year, so the question I would throw out is it really better to own McFadden whom MAY be in a RBBC situation if the suspension happens this year and whom also might never play-or own someone right now that is already in a RBBC situation instead and currently playing i.e. someone playing for Baltimore/Jets/Washington/Detroit/Philly/Carolina/Saints etc.

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12 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Before you have a link with a quote from Jason Garrett or somebody else from the Cowboys, your argument is just a theory. A theory to which I don't subscribe. To each is own. 

Seeing as that literally never happens that a head coach shows his hand in that fashion, we can agree to disagree. Just remember that you never really formed a cogent argument other than, "Morris on field DMC not" which was already proven false by the Cards situation so...

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1 hour ago, ATB said:

I believe that's a good comparison to Morris who is not built for carrying the ball 20+ times every week. 

 

Huh?!?!?!

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17 minutes ago, beerbuff said:

Most people would agree that it is going to be a RBBC situation IF Zeke's suspension goes down this year, so the question I would throw out is it really better to own McFadden whom MAY be in a RBBC situation if the suspension happens this year and whom also might never play-or own someone right now that is already in a RBBC situation instead and currently playing i.e. someone playing for Baltimore/Jets/Washington/Detroit/Philly/Carolina/Saints etc.

It comes down to what you think DMC's share of the prolific Dallas running game will be.

WHAT IS YOUR STANCE ON DAL BACKFIELD:

1) If you think it's a even-split RBBC with DMC/Morris then neither is worth any more than a low end flex guy, and only if Zeke is suspended.... so you should avoid the situation given you're rolling the dice for a replacement-level player.

2) If you believe, like I do, that DMC will get the disproportionate portion of the share if the suspension hits... then continue below for how I see it breaking down: 

2a) If you're thin at RB and need points, or have shorter benches heading into Bye Weeks: then a current RBBC guy like in Balt/Detroit/etc is likely the safer play for you. 

2b) If you're a Zeke owner, or you've got suitable RB production and room on your bench: then IMO DMC is a very worthy stash and hold for the next couple weeks, as he will either be droppable (if NFL loses), or be a RB2/RB1 back (If NFL wins). 

IMO Morris is only rosterable by Zeke owners with deeeep bench teams. 

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1 minute ago, cockroach said:

Huh?!?!?!

*on that offense is what I meant at the time. He's not built for their style of play. He and Zeke are very different style runners. DMC mirrors Zeke much more closely in style. 

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1 minute ago, [icon] said:

So... you don't have a position, but are more than happy to tell people they're wrong without actually extending your own version of what you think will happen? One of those types... notebook adjusted. 

My stance (in case you don't know what one looks like):
DMC comes in to at least a 60/40 split.. likely closer to 70/30 or better in most games. He likely averages low end RB1 / solid RB2 numbers while Morris rises to "desperation flex" status from his current "unrosterable" status. 

Tag me if you ever actually develop an actual, legitimate stance on this topic.... I'd love to read it.  :thumbup: 

 

Given that Zeke is only delivering low end RB1 numbers himself I think your being pretty optimistic on how well DMC will do.

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19 minutes ago, [icon] said:

So... you don't have a position, but are more than happy to tell people they're wrong without actually extending your own version of what you think will happen? One of those types... notebook adjusted. 

My stance (in case you don't know what one looks like):
DMC comes in to at least a 60/40 split.. likely closer to 70/30 or better in most games. He likely averages low end RB1 / solid RB2 numbers while Morris rises to "desperation flex" status from his current "unrosterable" status. This is based on DMC's past 1000yd bellcow status in this offense, and Morris' past and present role as a limited role-player in this offense. 

Tag me if you ever actually develop an actual, legitimate stance on this topic.... I'd love to read it.  :thumbup: 

My stance follows the logic of moral relativism. Nobody knows what will happen. The Cowboys have similar investments in two comparable backs, talent-wise. So the best bet is 50/50, but it could work out however for whichever one establishes himself. Along those lines, I'd go with Alfred Morris but not with much confidence.

But I have a bigger issue with your haughty confidence in McFadden as the main benefactor of Zeke's suspension. With the facts you've laid forward, your argument falls short of unequivocal.

 

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31 minutes ago, ATB said:

Seeing as that literally never happens that a head coach shows his hand in that fashion, we can agree to disagree. Just remember that you never really formed a cogent argument other than, "Morris on field DMC not" which was already proven false by the Cards situation so...

The Cardinals situation proves nothing beyond what happened with the Cardinals.

And we're going in circles.

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37 minutes ago, cockroach said:

 It's really, really simple.

 

Guys like David Johnson, Elliot, Leveon.... they don't need a primary backup.  A similar, but lesser back that can play all 3 downs (Deangelo Williams, CJ2k, McFadden) are less valuable on gameday than a guy who is more of a specialist (and is more valuable to the roster with them demanding less pay) or can play special teams (which are plays where injuries occur more frequently, thus the need for more backups)

 

41 minutes ago, cockroach said:

 It's really, really simple.

 

Guys like David Johnson, Elliot, Leveon.... they don't need a primary backup.  A similar, but lesser back that can play all 3 downs (Deangelo Williams, CJ2k, McFadden) are less valuable on gameday than a guy who is more of a specialist (and is more valuable to the roster with them demanding less pay) or can play special teams (which are plays where injuries occur more frequently, thus the need for more backups)

That does sound simple.  But, why was DWill active when healthy all of the last 2 seasons?  Why was CJ active until placed on IR last year?  Why is Morris, who is NOT any kind of COP back, DOES NOT play ST, and who makes more $$ than DMC inactive?  Your simple theory appears to have a few holes in it.

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1 minute ago, ATB said:

*on that offense is what I meant at the time. He's not built for their style of play. He and Zeke are very different style runners. DMC mirrors Zeke much more closely in style. 

 

I wouldn't agree with that either.  They have similar versatility, which Alf lacks, but the way they run is not alike. 

I recall McFadden having only 2 healthy seasons in nearly a decade of profootball, so I see him as a guy not BUILT for 20 carries, as you put it.

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31 minutes ago, beerbuff said:

Given that Zeke is only delivering low end RB1 numbers himself I think your being pretty optimistic on how well DMC will do.

Zeke, thanks to a horrible week 2 performance, is still currently outpacing the likes of Bell and Murray who were also drafted as RB1. 

Yes... My statements above are clearly based on the assumption that you believe Zeke in the Dallas backfield will produce Solid RB1 numbers the rest of the way. 

I kinda figured it was obvious, but  IF you believe Zeke will remain at his current place (RB14 in PPR), then I would suggest you avoid the DAL RB Contingency plan of DMC/Morris altogether. :D If that's the case, I'm not sure why you'd be in this thread, though... as winning teams generally aren't concerned with contingency handcuffs of RB2 backs. I could be wrong, but this thread seems to be a place for people who think a chance at the DAL backfield is worth rolling the dice on. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

 

That does sound simple.  But, why was DWill active when healthy all of the last 2 seasons?  Why was CJ active until placed on IR last year?  Why is Morris, who is NOT any kind of COP back, DOES NOT play ST, and who makes more $$ than DMC inactive?  Your simple theory appears to have a few holes in it.

Simple.  Because the Cowboys know for sure that they could be losing Zeke for a large portion of the season soon.  Add to that what they know about DMC's age and injury history, I bet he's not getting many practice reps either and is just staying in general shape.

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32 minutes ago, ATB said:

Seeing as that literally never happens that a head coach shows his hand in that fashion, we can agree to disagree. Just remember that you never really formed a cogent argument other than, "Morris on field DMC not" which was already proven false by the Cards situation so...

You keep saying this about AZ, but Kerwynn was named the starter.  Do you think he would have been demoted had he gone for 12-70 in the first half because CJ was the guy they wanted as the back up from the beginning and that's why they cut him and made him available to the whole league to sign?

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10 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

 

That does sound simple.  But, why was DWill active when healthy all of the last 2 seasons?  Why was CJ active until placed on IR last year?  Why is Morris, who is NOT any kind of COP back, DOES NOT play ST, and who makes more $$ than DMC inactive?  Your simple theory appears to have a few holes in it.

THANK YOU....This is exactly what I've been saying from jump.

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20 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

My stance: Nobody knows what will happen.

Gotcha... 

Well, I'm going to give ya a little tip. In FF, if you wait for the train to leave the station before getting on it, it's usually going to be already occupied. Taking a stance based on an educated guess, even when you're not certain, is how you end up on the right trains. 

I'm not sure why you'd be in a thread arguing that people's opinion is wrong, when you don't actually have an opinion yourself. I realize you're relatively new here.... but contributing nothing more than negativity/noise isn't going to earn your opinions much weight around here. 

Just my .02... but maybe come back and tell people they're wrong when you have a better idea of what you feel is right. :thumbup: 

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4 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Zeke, thanks to a horrible week 2 performance, is still currently outpacing the likes of Bell and Murray who were also drafted as RB1. 

Yes... My statements above are clearly based on the assumption that you believe Zeke in the Dallas backfield will produce Solid RB1 numbers the rest of the way. 

I kinda figured it was obvious, but  IF you believe Zeke will remain at his current place (RB14 in PPR), then I would suggest you avoid the DAL RB Contingency plan of DMC/Morris altogether. :D If that's the case, I'm not sure why you'd be in this thread, though... as winning teams generally aren't concerned with contingency handcuffs of RB2 backs. 

 

I'm in this thread because I am a Zeke owner and that has nothing to do with my record except his performance in week 2 did cost me a victory but of course I'm interested in his handcuffs and back up players as every Zeke owner should be. As of now I'm avoiding the handcuffs for a couple of reasons. One, I think that even if he loses the next round in court that he'll appeal and keep playing. Two, the Dallas O-line for whatever reason has been struggling and that I don't believe that either DMC or Morris are going to be able to put up RB2 numbers if they get the call. 

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11 minutes ago, cockroach said:

Simple.  Because the Cowboys know for sure that they could be losing Zeke for a large portion of the season soon.  Add to that what they know about DMC's age and injury history, I bet he's not getting many practice reps either and is just staying in general shape.

I don't buy that, but that's not exactly what the previous post implied.  You implied that great RBs (Zeke, Bell, DJ) don't need true backups like DMC, DWill, CJ on the active roster, which kind of goes out the window when you acknowledge that they WERE active last year.

You have a theory that Dallas is holding DMC out because he's the true back-up.  It's, IMO, a convoluted, weak theory, but you're entitled to that belief.  Trying to draw comparisons to other RBs situations that don't see teams "saving" a backup RB makes the theory look even weaker.  There's not a single situation that I can think of where what you believe is happening in Dallas has actually happened.  Because the NFL season is so short, each win is important.  Teams don't keep lesser players active just to save the true backup.  They can have him active & save him by not playing him, unless the starter gets hurt.  That way, they don't hurt their chances of winning (as much) as if they had an inferior player at RB if Zeke got hurt.  Morris has 9 snaps on the season; they wouldn't be wearing DMC out.

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6 minutes ago, beerbuff said:

I'm in this thread because I am a Zeke owner and that has nothing to do with my record except his performance in week 2 did cost me a victory but of course I'm interested in his handcuffs and back up players as every Zeke owner should be. As of now I'm avoiding the handcuffs for a couple of reasons. One, I think that even if he loses the next round in court that he'll appeal and keep playing. Two, the Dallas O-line for whatever reason has been struggling and that I don't believe that either DMC or Morris are going to be able to put up RB2 numbers if they get the call. 

:thumbup: well sounds like you've nailed down your stance. Props! As a fellow Zeke owner, I hope you're right in Zeke playing out the year. 

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BTW My offer still stands of $100 wager for any Morris believers who actually think he gets more than 40% share of the Dallas Backfield if Zeke is suspended. Details upthread :thumbup: 

Tag me if you are willing to wager.... I'm not sure how much I'll be in this thread going forward as there's not much legitimate discussion taking place. Gllll peas. 

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3 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

I don't buy that, but that's not exactly what the previous post implied.  You implied that great RBs (Zeke, Bell, DJ) don't need true backups like DMC, DWill, CJ on the active roster, which kind of goes out the window when you acknowledge that they WERE active last year.

You have a theory that Dallas is holding DMC out because he's the true back-up.  It's, IMO, a convoluted, weak theory, but you're entitled to that belief.  Trying to draw comparisons to other RBs situations that don't see teams "saving" a backup RB makes the theory look even weaker.  There's not a single situation that I can think of where what you believe is happening in Dallas has actually happened.  Because the NFL season is so short, each win is important.  Teams don't keep lesser players active just to save the true backup.  They can have him active & save him by not playing him, unless the starter gets hurt.  That way, they don't hurt their chances of winning (as much) as if they had an inferior player at RB if Zeke got hurt.  Morris has 9 snaps on the season; they wouldn't be wearing DMC out.

Man I wish I had a job where I could sit and think for 30 seconds and compose my thoughts like this rather than my short version.  Thank you sir for representing those of us with this take.

 

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20 minutes ago, [icon] said:

Gotcha... 

Well, I'm going to give ya a little tip. In FF, if you wait for the train to leave the station before getting on it, it's usually going to be already occupied. Taking a stance based on an educated guess, even when you're not certain, is how you end up on the right trains. 

I'm not sure why you'd be in a thread arguing that people's opinion is wrong, when you don't actually have an opinion yourself. I realize you're relatively new here.... but contributing nothing more than negativity/noise isn't going to earn your opinions much weight around here. 

Just my .02... but maybe come back and tell people they're wrong when you have a better idea of what you feel is right. :thumbup: 

I don't have to take a stand on every subject especially ones I have little confidence. Like the Rush song goes, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"

As for this train, I have Almo in one league, and both in the another - the only two leagues which I own Zeke. In neither league has it cost me anything other than one or two roster spots so I'm not upset either way. Mainly I'm hoping he isn't suspended until next year - that's my official stance.

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9 minutes ago, Bayhawks said:

I don't buy that, but that's not exactly what the previous post implied.  You implied that great RBs (Zeke, Bell, DJ) don't need true backups like DMC, DWill, CJ on the active roster, which kind of goes out the window when you acknowledge that they WERE active last year.

You have a theory that Dallas is holding DMC out because he's the true back-up.  It's, IMO, a convoluted, weak theory, but you're entitled to that belief.  Trying to draw comparisons to other RBs situations that don't see teams "saving" a backup RB makes the theory look even weaker.  There's not a single situation that I can think of where what you believe is happening in Dallas has actually happened.  Because the NFL season is so short, each win is important.  Teams don't keep lesser players active just to save the true backup.  They can have him active & save him by not playing him.  Morris has 9 snaps on the season; they wouldn't be wearing DMC out.

I agree, it is a very unique situation that we haven't seen before.  

Things don't have to fit like a glove.  You just have to understand the lense coaches are seeing things through and how they categorize players.

Clearly you want your primary backup to be available to you on gameday in case your #1 guy can't finish the game.  However, if your #1 guy might be out the rest of the season next week.  You might strategically save your primary back up knowing that he could be your #1 guy soon.   This is the pattern of usage given all off and preseason where they were shopping Alf.

 

Yes CJ and Dwill were active all last year but their clubs saw fit to let them go in favor of lesser talent.  That shows how owners and coaches value backup RBs when they have a true stud.  Bringing back CJ also shows how owners will react when they lose said stud. If you think McFadden's inactive status is a measure of his place on the depth chart and that Alf would be the primary beneficiary if Zeke gets suspended, I think I know where you can make $100 if you're willing to wager it. 

 

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7 minutes ago, cockroach said:

I agree, it is a very unique situation that we haven't seen before.  

Things don't have to fit like a glove.  You just have to understand the lense coaches are seeing things through and how they categorize players.

Clearly you want your primary backup to be available to you on gameday in case your #1 guy can't finish the game.  However, if your #1 guy might be out the rest of the season next week.  You might strategically save your primary back up knowing that he could be your #1 guy soon.   This is the pattern of usage given all off and preseason where they were shopping Alf.

 

Yes CJ and Dwill were active all last year but their clubs saw fit to let them go in favor of lesser talent.  That shows how owners and coaches value backup RBs when they have a true stud.  Bringing back CJ also shows how owners will react when they lose said stud. If you think McFadden's inactive status is a measure of his place on the depth chart and that Alf would be the primary beneficiary if Zeke gets suspended, I think I know where you can make $100 if you're willing to wager it. 

 

Who says they were lesser talents?  Perhaps they were just older & more expensive.  Bringing back CJ AS THE BACK-UP to replace Williams shows that when a RB goes out & his backup goes in, teams will need another RB.  Williams was named the starter, CJ became his backup.  It wasn't a case of Ari "saving" him.

Your theory may turn out to be right; IMO we will never know b/c the courts won't overturn the stay (although I've been wrong at each step of the turn with the Zeke situation).  But it is just that, your theory.  The rationale behind it is flimsy, though, and it doesn't seem like what an NFL team would do.  If they were that determined to keep DMC fresh, just in case; why not make him active & give those 3 snaps/game to R Smith?  He's already active, it would serve the same purpose as making DMC inactive to "save" him (unless you think the mere act of wearing shoulder pads would be too much exertion), and it would ensure the 'Boys have their top backup RB available.  It just doesn't make sense.

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A lot of typing in this thread when it could be as simple as everyone realizing Morris sucks and always has sucked...and DMC is a proven runner who they are obviously stashing away as a "break glass in case of emergency" option given his age. 

 

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7 minutes ago, timbrah_ho said:

A lot of typing in this thread when it could be as simple as everyone realizing Morris sucks and always has sucked...and DMC is a proven runner who they are obviously stashing away as a "break glass in case of emergency" option given his age. 

 

Fiver years ago.....

2012

WSH

16 games played

335 carries

1,6134 yards

13 TDS

 

28 TDs over three seasons.

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