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23 hours ago, proninja said:

At least you're trying to get to the bottom of the real problem here: Rose McGowan. #rapeculture

Haha. I am sure you are out there getting to the bottom of it all. Such a phony. :lmao:

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With the intense Weinsten coverage in the conservative media you would think that the most rich and famous women in the country facing rampant sexual harrasment would somehow affirm the conservative social agenda.  As opposed to undermining it.  

That is with ignoring the fact that when the s**t hit the fan one man became a social pariah while the other became POTUS.

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23 hours ago, Joe Summer said:

My general principle is to give some leeway to people who are experiencing rape trauma or some other form of PTSD. But that's just me.

It is the human thing to do 

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Writer Scott Rosenberg (Beautiful Girls, Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead) has penned a statement.  

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So, uh, yeah.
We need to talk about Harvey.

I was there, for a big part of it.
From, what, 1994 to the early 2000s?
Something like that.
Certainly The Golden Age.
The “PULP FICTION”, “SHAKESPEARE IN LOVE”, “CLERKS”, “SWINGERS”, “SCREAM”, “GOOD WILL HUNTING”, “ENGLISH PATIENT”, “LIFE IS BEAUTIFUL” years…

Harvey and Bob made my first two movies.
Then they signed me to an overall deal.
Then they bought that horror script of mine about the Ten Plagues.
For a lot of money.
Also bought that werewolf-biker script.
That no one else liked but was my personal favorite.
They were going to publish my novel.
They anointed me.
Made it so other studios thought I was the real deal.
They gave me my career.

I was barely 30.
I was sure I had struck gold.
They loved me, these two brothers, who had reinvented cinema.
And who were fun and tough and didn’t give an East Coast #### about all the slick pricks out in L.A.

And those glory days in Tribeca?
The old cramped offices?
That wonderful gang of executives and assistants?
All the filmmakers who were doing repeat business?
The brothers wanted to create a “family of film”.
And they did just that…
We looked forward to having meetings there.
Meetings that would turn into plans that would turn into raucous nights out on the town.
Simply put: OG Miramax was a blast.

So, yeah, I was there.
And let me tell you one thing.
Let’s be perfectly clear about one thing:

Everybody-#######-knew.

Not that he was raping.
No, that we never heard.
But we were aware of a certain pattern of overly-aggressive behavior that was rather dreadful.
We knew about the man’s hunger; his fervor; his appetite.
There was nothing secret about this voracious rapacity; like a gluttonous ogre out of the Brothers Grimm.
All couched in vague promises of potential movie roles.
(and, it should be noted: there were many who actually succumbed to his bulky charms. Willingly. Which surely must have only impelled him to cast his fetid net even wider).

But like I said: everybody-#######-knew.

And to me, if Harvey’s behavior is the most reprehensible thing one can imagine, a not-so-distant second is the current flood of sanctimonious denial and condemnation that now crashes upon these shores of rectitude in gloppy tides of bull#### righteousness.

Because everybody-#######-knew.

And do you know how I am sure this is true?
Because I was there.
And I saw you.
And I talked about it with you.
You, the big producers; you, the big directors; you, the big agents; you, the big financiers.
And you, the big rival studio chiefs; you, the big actors; you, the big actresses; you, the big models.
You, the big journalists; you, the big screenwriters; you, the big rock stars; you, the big restaurateurs; you, the big politicians.

I saw you.
All of you.
God help me, I was there with you.

Again, maybe we didn’t know the degree.
The magnitude of the awfulness.
Not the rapes.
Not the shoving against the wall.
Not the potted-plant #######.
But we knew something.
We knew something was bubbling under.
Something odious.
Something rotten.

But…
And this is as pathetic as it is true:
What would you have had us do?
Who were we to tell?
The authorities?
What authorities?
The press?
Harvey owned the press.
The Internet?
There was no Internet or reasonable facsimile thereof.
Should we have called the police?
And said what?
Should we have reached out to some fantasy Attorney General Of Movieland?
That didn’t exist.

Not to mention, most of the victims chose not to speak out.
Aside from sharing the grimy details with a close girlfriend or confidante.
And if they discussed it with their representatives?
Agents and managers, who themselves feared The Wrath Of The Big Man?
The agents and managers would tell them to keep it to themselves.
Because who knew the repercussions?
That old saw “You’ll Never Work In This Town Again” came crawling back to putrid life like a re-animated cadaver in a late-night zombie flick.
But, yes, everyone knew someone who had been on the receiving end of lewd advances by him.
Or knew someone who knew someone.

A few actress friends of mine told me stories: of a ghastly hotel meeting; of a repugnant bathrobe-shucking; of a loathsome massage request.
And although they were rattled, they sort of laughed at his arrogance; how he had the temerity to think that simply the sight of his naked, doughy, carbuncled flesh was going to get them in the mood.
So I just believed it to be a grotesque display of power; a dude misreading the room and making a lame-if-vile pass.

It was much easier to believe that.
It was much easier for ALL of us to believe that.

Because…

And here’s where the slither meets the slime:
Harvey was showing us the best of times.
He was making our movies.
Throwing the biggest parties.
Taking us to The Golden Globes!
Introducing us to the most amazing people (Meetings with Vice President Gore! Clubbing with Quentin and Uma! Drinks with Salman Rushdie and Ralph Fiennes! Dinners with Mick Jagger and Warren-freaking-Beatty!).

The most epic Oscar weekends.
That seemed to last for weeks!
Sundance! Cannes! Toronto!
Telluride! Berlin! Venice!
Private jets! Stretch limousines! Springsteen shows!
Hell, Harvey once took me to St. Barth’s for Christmas.
For 12 days!
I was a broke-### kid from Boston who had never even HEARD of St. Barth’s before he booked my travel.
He once got me tickets to the seven hottest Broadway shows in one week. So I could take a new girlfriend on a dazzling tour of theater.
He got me seats on the 40-yard-line to the Super Bowl, when the Patriots were playing the Packers in New Orleans.
Even got me a hotel room, which was impossible to get that weekend.
He gave and gave and gave and gave.
He had a monarch’s volcanic generosity when it came to those within his circle.
And a Mafia don’s fervent need for abject loyalty from his capos and soldiers.

But never mind us!
What about what he was doing for the culture?
Making stunningly splendid films at a time when everyone else was cranking-out simpering “INDEPENDENCE DAY” rip-offs.

It was glorious.
All of it.

So what if he was coming on a little strong to some young models who had moved mountains to get into one of his parties?
So what if he was exposing himself, in five-star hotel rooms, like a cartoon flasher out of “MAD MAGAZINE” (just swap robe for raincoat!)
Who were we to call foul?
Golden Geese don’t come along too often in one’s life.

Which goes back to my original point:
Everybody-#######-knew.
But everybody was just having too good a time.
And doing remarkable work; making remarkable movies.

As the old joke goes:
We needed the eggs.

Okay, maybe we didn’t NEED them.
But we really, really, really, really LIKED them eggs.
So we were willing to overlook what the Golden Goose was up to, in the murky shadows behind the barn…

And for that, I am eternally sorry.
To all of the women that had to suffer this…
I am eternally sorry.
I’ve worked with Mira and Rosanna and Lysette.
I’ve known Rose and Ashley and Claire for years…
Their courage only hangs a lantern on my shame.
And I am eternally sorry to all those who suffered in silence all this time.
And have chosen to remain silent today.

I mostly lost touch with the brothers by the early 2000s.
For no specific reason.
Just that there were other jobs, other studios.
But a few months ago, Harvey called me, out of the blue.
To talk about the bygone days.
To talk about how great it would be to get some of the gang back together.
Make a movie.
He must have known then the noose was tightening.
There was a wistfulness to him that I had never heard before.
A melancholy.
It most assuredly had a walking-to-the-gallows feel.
When we hung up I wondered: “what was that all about?”
In a few short weeks I would know.
It was the condemned man simply wanting to comb some of the ruins of his old stomping grounds.
One last time.

So, yeah, I am sorry.
Sorry and ashamed.
Because, in the end, I was complicit.
I didn’t say ####.
I didn’t do ####.
Harvey was nothing but wonderful to me.
So I reaped the rewards and I kept my mouth shut.
And for that, once again, I am sorry.

But you should be sorry, too.
With all these victims speaking up…
To tell their tales.
Shouldn’t those who witnessed it from the sidelines do the same?
Instead of retreating to the cowardly, canopied confines of faux-outrage?
Doesn’t being a bystander bring with it the responsibility of telling the truth, however personally disgraceful it may be?

You know who are.
You know that you knew.
And do you know how I know that you knew?

Because I was there with you.

And because everybody-#######-knew.

 

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44 minutes ago, Henry Ford said:

Writer Scott Rosenberg (Beautiful Girls, Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead) has penned a statement.  

 

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Wow.  just wow. 

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I'm not sure where the talk is coming from, but a local radio show has mentioned several times now that they have heard that there is a pedophilia issue in Hollywood that totally dwarfs the Weinstein stuff. 

Hopefully this doesn't just end at Weinstein. I can't say that I blame victims at all for being afraid, but I hope that enough of these abuse victims coming forward start naming names that this whole disgusting corrupt system comes crashing down.

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1 hour ago, Henry Ford said:

Writer Scott Rosenberg (Beautiful Girls, Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead) has penned a statement.  

 

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That's one of the best responses to this that I've read.

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50 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

I'm not sure where the talk is coming from, but a local radio show has mentioned several times now that they have heard that there is a pedophilia issue in Hollywood that totally dwarfs the Weinstein stuff. 

Hopefully this doesn't just end at Weinstein. I can't say that I blame victims at all for being afraid, but I hope that enough of these abuse victims coming forward start naming names that this whole disgusting corrupt system comes crashing down.

For many years, it's been coming from Corey Feldman.  And I don't think he's wrong - though I think there's more sexual harassment of adults, that's only because there are more adults in the industry and less pedophiles per capita than regular-old scummy people.

Child actors are just as in danger as adult women in Hollywood, and less able to protect themselves.

Of course, the same applies to anywhere there's consolidated and insulated power.  Not just Hollywood.  It just happens to be a prominent example.

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The story Jennifer Lawrence told last night about a female producer having her and other younger women line up mostly naked so their body types could be evaluated for a role was pretty incredible.

Some really f'd up people in this world. 

 

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13 minutes ago, AAABatteries said:

Just for the record, I didn’t know.

Care to tell us where you were from 1990 to 2015.  

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4 hours ago, packersfan said:

The story Jennifer Lawrence told last night about a female producer having her and other younger women line up mostly naked so their body types could be evaluated for a role was pretty incredible.

Some really f'd up people in this world. 

 

Is it really that incredible?  Any different then the entire modeling business?

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4 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

For many years, it's been coming from Corey Feldman.  And I don't think he's wrong - though I think there's more sexual harassment of adults, that's only because there are more adults in the industry and less pedophiles per capita than regular-old scummy people.

Child actors are just as in danger as adult women in Hollywood, and less able to protect themselves.

Of course, the same applies to anywhere there's consolidated and insulated power.  Not just Hollywood.  It just happens to be a prominent example.

I was just about to post this in response to your OP.  I hope that these horrible stories of what happened to these actresses give people the courage to speak out about what has happened to children. I've heard Feldman say several times that "Hollywood is a den of pedophiles". 

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6 hours ago, Henry Ford said:

Writer Scott Rosenberg (Beautiful Girls, Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead) has penned a statement.  

The entertainment industry has been in bed with the press forever.  A good portion of the most powerful people in the world reside in the entertainment industry.

Yeah, there was NOTHING they could do.  What a piss poor cop-out.  Not buying it.

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But…
And this is as pathetic as it is true:
What would you have had us do?
Who were we to tell?
The authorities?
What authorities?
The press?
Harvey owned the press.
The Internet?
There was no Internet or reasonable facsimile thereof.
Should we have called the police?
And said what?
Should we have reached out to some fantasy Attorney General Of Movieland?
That didn’t exist.

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25 minutes ago, MaxThreshold said:

The entertainment industry has been in bed with the press forever.  A good portion of the most powerful people in the world reside in the entertainment industry.

Yeah, there was NOTHING they could do.  What a piss poor cop-out.  Not buying it.

Regardless, they could choose not to be complicit in it.  Even if there was nothing they could do to stop it. 

I mean, congrats on Things To Do In Denver... wonder how many actresses he harassed and/or raped while casting Dagney.  

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1 hour ago, Daywalker said:

Doesn't Beautiful Girls have one of the most glaring pedo-storylines?:shrug:

 

Pretty sure the whole point of that movie is that it's a non-sexual connection. 

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52 minutes ago, MaxThreshold said:

The entertainment industry has been in bed with the press forever.  A good portion of the most powerful people in the world reside in the entertainment industry.

Yeah, there was NOTHING they could do.  What a piss poor cop-out.  Not buying it.

He insinuates that people couldn't even go to authorities....that's quite an accusation and very disturbing, if true.  What authorities were complicit?

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54 minutes ago, Rove! said:

He insinuates that people couldn't even go to authorities....that's quite an accusation and very disturbing, if true.  What authorities were complicit?

The Feds?  Anyone outside the jurisdiction of LA?  I'm not saying the authorities were complicit, but to say they couldn't go to the press or some more of the heavy hitters (lots of powerful people in Hollweird) is pure horse-####.

Hollywood has been protecting themselves and to now cry "there was nothing we could do!!" is just a smokescreen to cover or distract.

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I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I get uncomfortable when bystanders start telling rape victims what they should have done.

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30 minutes ago, David Dodds said:

Here are the 47 women's accounts all at the same link. It's a long read, but really sad that no one put an end to this. 

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/10/harvey-weinstein-accusers-sexual-harassment-assault-rose-mcgowan-ashley-judd-gwyneth-paltrow?mbid=social_twitter

Reading Vanity Fair, Dodds? Are you in the waiting room of your doctor's office or something? It's not your usual fare...

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1 minute ago, saintfool said:

Reading Vanity Fair, Dodds? Are you in the waiting room of your doctor's office or something? It's not your usual fare...

found it on Twitter.

 

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1 minute ago, David Dodds said:

found it on Twitter.

 

More evidence of the Deep State.

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56 minutes ago, MaxThreshold said:

The Feds?  Anyone outside the jurisdiction of LA?  I'm not saying the authorities were complicit, but to say they couldn't go to the press or some more of the heavy hitters (lots of powerful people in Hollweird) is pure horse-####.

Hollywood has been protecting themselves and to now cry "there was nothing we could do!!" is just a smokescreen to cover or distract.

Given that he said they all knew about sexual harassment, and not rape, what would you go to the Feds with?

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1 minute ago, Henry Ford said:

Given that he said they all knew about sexual harassment, and not rape, what would you go to the Feds with?

Absolutely nothing, Henry.  Absolutely nothing.  Pretending to be outraged after the fact looks so much better.

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5 minutes ago, Dickies said:

More evidence of the Deep State.

More evidence that the entertainment industry preaches one thing while shielding some of the worst predators on the planet.  

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Just now, David Dodds said:

More evidence that the entertainment industry preaches one thing while shielding some of the worst predators on the planet.  

 

3 minutes ago, MaxThreshold said:

Absolutely nothing, Henry.  Absolutely nothing.  Pretending to be outraged after the fact looks so much better.

You guys going to stop watching TV shows and movies now?

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Just now, David Dodds said:

More evidence that the entertainment industry preaches one thing while shielding some of the worst predators on the planet.  

call them out, take them down, this isn't partisan.

Institutions like Hollywood and Fox News should be be reprimanded and treated equally. 

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1 minute ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

 

You guys going to stop watching TV shows and movies now?

a weird reply to someone that harassed/raped/molested some 47 women and counting. You don't want that cleaned up in the industry? 

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2 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

call them out, take them down, this isn't partisan.

Institutions like Hollywood and Fox News should be be reprimanded and treated equally. 

agreed.

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6 minutes ago, David Dodds said:

More evidence that the entertainment industry preaches one thing while shielding some of the worst predators on the planet.  

It just further validates what everyone already knew.  The big pedophilia scandal is coming next.

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2 minutes ago, David Dodds said:

a weird reply to someone that harassed/raped/molested some 47 women and counting. You don't want that cleaned up in the industry? 

I didn't reply to Weinstein.

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2 minutes ago, David Dodds said:

a weird reply to someone that harassed/raped/molested some 47 women and counting. You don't want that cleaned up in the industry? 

He would, but that guy was a huge bundler and fund raiser for Obama and Hillary.

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Just now, David Dodds said:

agreed.

do you think it's hypocritical for fox news to spend so much time on the Weinstein case and try to make it political when they have not done any type of commentary or reporting from inside their own house?

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6 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

 

You guys going to stop watching TV shows and movies now?

Nope.  Just waiting for you guys to go nuts about it like you do when there is a conservative in a scandal.  Seems pretty muted - only 8 pages so far.

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1 minute ago, MaxThreshold said:

Nope.  Just waiting for you guys to go nuts about it like you do when there is a conservative in a scandal.  Seems pretty muted - only 8 pages so far.

So you really don't care about the victims here.  You're not outraged by HW's actions.  You just want to use this to score some imaginary victory.  

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Everyone who heard a rumor about Harvey Weinstein should have called the eff bee eye. But all those women who accused Trump and Bill O'Reilly were liars who were just looking for a payday.

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3 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

So you really don't care about the victims here.  You're not outraged by HW's actions.  You just want to use this to score some imaginary victory.  

he's a one trick pony..it's all he knows.

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8 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

So you really don't care about the victims here.  You're not outraged by HW's actions.  You just want to use this to score some imaginary victory.  

Sure.  I'm just wondering where the REAL outrage is from your side of the aisle. 

When it's a conservative on the hot seat, you're not so concerned with victims.  Where are the all the new threads being created every 30 seconds?  Where are the jokes?  Where are the jabs against liberals for covering for this guy?  I have to say, I'm surprised that the forever outraged crowd isn't very outraged at all.  Lots of excuse making and muted responses. 

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3 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

he's a one trick pony..it's all he knows.

This is funny coming from the outraged all day, every day crowd.

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1 minute ago, MaxThreshold said:

Sure.  I'm just wondering where the REAL outrage is from your side of the aisle. 

When it's a conservative on the hot seat, you're not so concerned with victims.  Where are the all the new threads being created every 30 seconds?  Where are the jokes?  Where are the jabs against liberals for covering for this guy?  I have to say, I'm surprised that the forever outraged crowd isn't very outraged at all.  Lots of excuse making.

You are out off control, but not surprising.  I don't think anyone here has supported his actions or not called him a monster.  He's a despicable human being that deserves the everything that is coming to him.  Why are so obsessed about your side and my side and making this political?   Do we need to go back and look at your posting history regarding O'Reilly and Ailes?    

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4 minutes ago, MaxThreshold said:

Sure.  I'm just wondering where the REAL outrage is from your side of the aisle. 

When it's a conservative on the hot seat, you're not so concerned with victims.  Where are the all the new threads being created every 30 seconds?  Where are the jokes?  Where are the jabs against liberals for covering for this guy?  I have to say, I'm surprised that the forever outraged crowd isn't very outraged at all.  Lots of excuse making and muted responses. 

So, again, your issue is not with Weinstein's actions but that you don't think liberals are outraged enough.  It's not about the victims or the ugly side of show business.  It's about "winning".

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3 minutes ago, OrtonToOlsen said:

So, again, your issue is not with Weinstein's actions but that you don't think liberals are outraged enough.  It's not about the victims or the ugly side of show business.  It's about "winning".

I'm asking you where is YOUR outrage?  Where is it?  Suddenly now you're all concerned with the victims?  you never were before.

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Liberal posters have led the charge in denouncing Weinstein. (See: Henry Ford, who has relentlessly denounced Weinstein from the moment the story broke.)

But unfortunately those facts don't fit the pre-decided narrative of other posters. I guess they're so used to defending guys like Ailes, O'Reilly and Trump that they're just completely blind to integrity and conviction when it's right in front of their eyes.

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