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The Man With No Name
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> RONALD JONES II: STARTS WEEK AS FULL PARTICIPANT
PUBLISHED WED NOV 21 6:28:11 P.M. ET 2018
(RotoWire) Jones (hamstring) is listed as a full participant on the Wednesday injury report.
Analysis: A limited participant all last week, Jones ultimately was ruled out Friday for Sunday's eventual 38-35 loss to the Giants. His progression to full participation suggests he should be back for Sunday's game against San Francisco, but there's no guarantee of a sizable role after Peyton Barber just had his best game of the season. It does make sense for the Bucs to give Jones a better look down the stretch, as they don't have any chance to make the playoffs and presumably hope the rookie can supersede Barber before Week 1 of 2019. As bad as he's looked so far, Jones at least offers theoretical upside with his excellent speed, while Barber seemingly lacks the athletic traits to be anything more than a low-end starter or solid backup.
PUBLISHED WED NOV 21 6:28:11 P.M. ET 2018
(RotoWire) Jones (hamstring) is listed as a full participant on the Wednesday injury report.
Analysis: A limited participant all last week, Jones ultimately was ruled out Friday for Sunday's eventual 38-35 loss to the Giants. His progression to full participation suggests he should be back for Sunday's game against San Francisco, but there's no guarantee of a sizable role after Peyton Barber just had his best game of the season. It does make sense for the Bucs to give Jones a better look down the stretch, as they don't have any chance to make the playoffs and presumably hope the rookie can supersede Barber before Week 1 of 2019. As bad as he's looked so far, Jones at least offers theoretical upside with his excellent speed, while Barber seemingly lacks the athletic traits to be anything more than a low-end starter or solid backup.
Country Boy
Footballguy
So is Jones worth taking a flier in a limited roster Franchise League. I picked up Ito Smith recently for my last spot but another guy trying to get in the playoffs cut Jones. Thinking Jones has to be given another shot in Tampa next season, right?
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I'm looking forward to him getting a fresh start with a new staff. A few struggles in pass pro and as a receiver in training camp and the preseason, and he got himself firmly in the doghouse. It made no sense for Quizz to continue playing over him once the Bucs were eliminated. I think he just got on Koetter's bad side.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not a bad haul, but the team hasn't been linked to any FAs and I'm not buying Arians talking up Barber. Jones may still emerge after all.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Then there is the 2019 draft and they could draft someone like Jacobs or Harris. Taking a loss on Jones would hurt most if he turns out to be good after all, but I tend not to look into the past when it comes to fantasy. No sense crying over spilled milk. I'll take the 2nd rd pick in 2020 and hopefully do something positive with it.
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cloppbeast
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There's still a few RBs out there in free agency that would hurt (if not kill) Jones' value: Tevin Coleman, Marshawn Lynch, TJ Yeldon, CJ Anderson, Jay Ajayi, TY Montgomery...
.....and then there is the draft.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Signs one-year deal with Bucs(RotoWire) Barber is signing a one-year contract to stay with the Buccaneers, Rick Stroud of the Tampa Bay Times reports. Analysis: Barber showed some signs of life during the second half of the 2018 campaign, but he didn't do enough to prevent the Buccaneers from actively seeking upgrades in the backfield. Whether its 2018 second-round pick Ronald Jones or an offseason acquisition, Barber likely will face a serious challenge for the starting job. The new contract is in lieu of a restricted free agent tender.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Draft going pretty well for Ronald
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Arians is on record saying how much he loves Barber and wants to build around him... draft proves that wasnt coach speak
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Rodney Anderson can still go to TBB
Aznflyer14
Footballguy
Not taking RB in any of 7 rounds is very telling on TB and their coaching staff on Ronald Jones. Hope he would get a chance to shed his "bust" label this year.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Arians talked about Jones the other day and said it had nothing to do with talent. I'm paraphrasing a bit but he said something along the lines of he needed to quit being a "my bad" kind of guy and specifically said at least twice that talent was not the issue. In other words he was trying to say RJ lost his confidence and that's what he was trying to fix. I'd bet on Jones myself just because I think he has more talent and I'd bet on the devil I don't know in this case. I've seen the devil that is Barber and all I've seen is a player that even if he takes the job offers minimal upside.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Jones has so much natural talent. IMO he doesnt have it between the ears. Maybe he gets it together this season. Barber isnt anything special, but he doesn't have to be in order to be a decent fantasy asset
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm inclined to agree. But *if* Arians can get Winston to take a step forward this year, then the offense as a whole will have more upside. Barber is solid if not spectacular. If he does hold off Jones then he has some tangible value. Was basically free yesterday. I just saw someone drop him at cuts today. Got him in the 20th round of a startup last week.
Interseptopus
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My counter to that would be that Tampa led the NFL passing yards per game and was 12th in scoring. In terms of raw statistical production, fantasy production, not a lot of upward growth I see in this offense. To me it's more a matter of reducing the mistakes and playing better real winning football, I don't see a massive fantasy uptick coming out of Tampa.
I traded him for 2.7 in a short roster FFPC league about a month ago and only did it because it was a mistake, I thought I had rescinded the traded and offered him and some players I was going to cut for 2.1 instead.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
12th is really close to the being clustered in the middle of the pack. Plenty of room for improvement. The 2nd bolded is exactly what I mean. Less mistakes, more 3rd down conversions and drives extended. More TD upside for the lead back. But this theoretical uptick is based on a step forward by Winston. Big if.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Yep I saw that. I think if you bought last year he's an absolute hold. And if he doesn't show anything after the first month or two of the season he's safe to drop.
Raptors409
Footballguy
The world needs ditchdiggers. Sorry, Ronald.
Dr. Octopus
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barackdhouse
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bostonfred
Footballguy
How bad was Ronald Jones last year? In his 3 best games he had 17 carries for 45 yards and a touchdown. He finished the season with 23 carries for 44 yards and a touchdown.
Let's start with his best game. He actually had a touchdown. 6 rushes, 13 yards and a touchdown with a 15 yard catch
That was one of two games where he hit that 28 total yard mark. He also had 10 rushes for 29 yards and a catch for minus one
His third best game was clearly his 3 yards rushing and 16 yards receiving but that was against the Falcons when they were struggling on defense
It gets harder to find his fourth best game though.
By pure yardage, it was the game where he had 4 rushes for 2 yards.
That's right, in terms of yardage, his four best totals were 28, 28, 19, and then 2.
And while 4 rushes for 2 yards sounds abysmal, it's actually his 4th best yards per carry game at .5. His best ypc game, if you're wondering, was 3 yards per carry when he had one carry for 3 yards.
I think you could make the case that his 4th best game was against the bengals. Yes, they had a terrible defense, and yes, his 2 rushes for minus 3 yards look bad, but he did salvage the day with 1 catch for 4 yards, which is a positive play. I'm not sure 4 carries, two of which go for a yard, can top that masterpiece.
One thing i can say for sure, it definitely wasn't his 1 catch for negative 1 yard with no rushing. That's a terrible game, but it was extra bad considering it was on 2 targets.
Which means the pass he didn't catch went for more yards than the one he did.
It's possible that his 4th best game qas a 10 way tie between all the games he simply didn't play. Because he had 3 games that were worse than not playing.
To say jones was a disaster last year is an understatement.
Let's start with his best game. He actually had a touchdown. 6 rushes, 13 yards and a touchdown with a 15 yard catch
That was one of two games where he hit that 28 total yard mark. He also had 10 rushes for 29 yards and a catch for minus one
His third best game was clearly his 3 yards rushing and 16 yards receiving but that was against the Falcons when they were struggling on defense
It gets harder to find his fourth best game though.
By pure yardage, it was the game where he had 4 rushes for 2 yards.
That's right, in terms of yardage, his four best totals were 28, 28, 19, and then 2.
And while 4 rushes for 2 yards sounds abysmal, it's actually his 4th best yards per carry game at .5. His best ypc game, if you're wondering, was 3 yards per carry when he had one carry for 3 yards.
I think you could make the case that his 4th best game was against the bengals. Yes, they had a terrible defense, and yes, his 2 rushes for minus 3 yards look bad, but he did salvage the day with 1 catch for 4 yards, which is a positive play. I'm not sure 4 carries, two of which go for a yard, can top that masterpiece.
One thing i can say for sure, it definitely wasn't his 1 catch for negative 1 yard with no rushing. That's a terrible game, but it was extra bad considering it was on 2 targets.
Which means the pass he didn't catch went for more yards than the one he did.
It's possible that his 4th best game qas a 10 way tie between all the games he simply didn't play. Because he had 3 games that were worse than not playing.
To say jones was a disaster last year is an understatement.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
Holy ####
Biabreakable
Footballguy
He did nothing the rest of the year.
I am pretty sure he is a bust although some players do improve a lot in their second season. If he improves he might rise to a below average NFL RB. So far he has been a bad RB.
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bostonfred
Footballguy
For context
9 running plays. Without pads.
"We can still see his vision" is not something you say about a guy you love. It's something you say about a guy you hope can turn things around.
"Competition behind starting running back peyton barber" is a lot of information for 7 little words
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
only stats that matter, unless you play fantasy college football:
23 carries... 1.9 YPC...44 yards... 1 touchdown
Played in the NFC South, is the backup to a RB largely regarded as JAG
Plenty of guys who look good in college and fail miserably in the NFL. Keep holding out hope I gues...
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Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
The age still matters. Wouldn’t be that crazy if the nfl was too much for him at age 20
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I can agree with that. I wouldn't count on him turning it around but it's possible, sure.
"Jones has always looked good without pads and no one trying to tackle him"
Maybe if you phrased it in the NFL only....but you didn't. The goal in here should be to find the correct answer, not fight/debate to be right.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'm sorry, I assumed we discarded college stats the minute a player sees NFL competition. I'll be more specific next time
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Good point. He could improve stuff like receiving and pass blocking. It would have been nice for him to have some success on the ground though.
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Grahamburn
Footballguy
Weird take. Koetter gave up on this kid extremely early in the process. He knew his job was in jeopardy and couldn't afford to let Jones develop.
Do you like Guice more than him? He doesn't have any numbers against NFL competition either.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Let me rephrase that for you
A coach knew his job was in jeopardy so he benched Ronald Jones.
Just a reminder that in the last 3 games before he was benched the rest of the season, he had 6 carries for negative one yard and 2 receptions for 3 yards.
I don't know how to say that to make it sound positive.
Do we say his 8 touches for a total of 2 yards in 3 games is an average of 9 inches per touch?
His rushing average was only minus six inches per carry?
He averaged 2 feet per game?
Wait, I've got it.
From week 8 on, ronald jones ran for almost as many yards as derrius guice.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
If you want to make it sound positive you say 8 touches over 3 weeks is too small of a sample size to draw any definitive conclusions
