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RB Ronald Jones, Cowboys (2 Viewers)
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bostonfred
Footballguy
I wouldn't say that because i'd be afraid someone would point out that it was 8 touches over 9 weeks, 6 of which he didn't get any touches because he sucks.Skeletore Eh said:
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
The point would still stand. 8 touches over any number of games is too small of a sample size
bostonfred
Footballguy
That seems like quite an editorial leap. He didn't even have a role last year and was a healthy inactive with the same group. The article specifically refers to barber as the starter, and has quotes that reference Jones keeping things small and hoping to be able to play in critical situations. There's been zero in the way of quotes from anyone on the team saying they want Jones to start, and i can't remember anyone who covers the team suggesting it either.
Was this from roto?
Faust
MVP
@bostonfred - it was directly from Rotoworld with their editorial views in the blurb.
NFL.com leaves it much more open merely noting that Barber and Jones are the Bucs ‘top two backs’
Ronald Jones ready to put disappointing season in past
NFL.com leaves it much more open merely noting that Barber and Jones are the Bucs ‘top two backs’
Ronald Jones ready to put disappointing season in past
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
this is why Winston is going to be a top 5 QB this season - they can't run effectively , they're going to have to pass ..Arians is just the guy for that
Foosball God
Foos
In interceptions?Tanner9919 said:
jtd13
Footballguy
He probably meant in fantasy points. But also interceptions. They both go up with more pass attempts.
Organizational psychology is important in situations like this.
Bucs GM Jason Licht drafted Jones.
Previous coach Dirk Koetter then proceeded to ignore him.
Bruce Arians will definitely want to show that he is a better, smarter coach than his predecessor by utilising a high end talent like Jones.
Licht will definitely want Jones to succeed to demonstrate that he didn't make a terrible pick and isn't a bad GM.
Arians will want to keep his boss happy.
They won't give Jones the starting job on a platter of course. I can foresee Barber remaining the nominal starter at the beginning of the season with Jones the change of pace guy. But I would not be at all surprised if Jones is getting the majority of carries by mid-season.
Bucs GM Jason Licht drafted Jones.
Previous coach Dirk Koetter then proceeded to ignore him.
Bruce Arians will definitely want to show that he is a better, smarter coach than his predecessor by utilising a high end talent like Jones.
Licht will definitely want Jones to succeed to demonstrate that he didn't make a terrible pick and isn't a bad GM.
Arians will want to keep his boss happy.
They won't give Jones the starting job on a platter of course. I can foresee Barber remaining the nominal starter at the beginning of the season with Jones the change of pace guy. But I would not be at all surprised if Jones is getting the majority of carries by mid-season.
You’re reading way too deeply into this. Arians doesn’t give a flying #### about impressing his boss, he’s going to play the guys that give him the best chance to win.
I would say that everyone in the building comes in on equal footing and their work ethic and performance is what determines who starts and who plays.
I would say that everyone in the building comes in on equal footing and their work ethic and performance is what determines who starts and who plays.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Not if he doesn't show massive improvement over last season. Sure Arians wants to please his boss, but the best way to do that is by winning football games.
cloppbeast
Footballguy
Idk man. I'm sure ownership made it perfectly clear that playing Ronald Jones is a top priority for the Bucs going forward. Arians wouldnt have taken the job if he wasn't on board.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
Arians has the juice here, not Light. Light only has the job still bc he had a connection to Arians.
Capella
Footballguy
you can’t really think the ownership gives a #### about Robert Jones.
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Jacksonke1
Footballguy
I think ownership is concerned with their assets and their return on investment, many of these owners are businessmen to varying degrees.
The team invested high in R Jones regardless of who made the call on draft night and have gotten little return in year one and likely would have to sell him at a big loss right now if they tried. So there may be ownership support for the guy or a "you owe us to get out there and run like a beast" after we invested in you or we are going to say all the right things about you so someone is willing to trade for you.
The team invested high in R Jones regardless of who made the call on draft night and have gotten little return in year one and likely would have to sell him at a big loss right now if they tried. So there may be ownership support for the guy or a "you owe us to get out there and run like a beast" after we invested in you or we are going to say all the right things about you so someone is willing to trade for you.
Capella
Footballguy
No that’s not how it works at all. If an asset is lost the only worse thing is to continue to take a loss on it. And ownership isn’t dealing with football ops anyways. AND they cut the 2nd round kicker the next training camp anyways. Ownership has literally nothing to do with this.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I wouldn't be surprised if the Glazers had no idea who Ronald Jones is.
As to GM Licht, I'm sure he wants the guy he used a second round pick on last season to be a major contributor but what he wants/needs even more if for the Bucs to win this season. The biggest piece to that puzzle is Winston followed very closely by Bruce Arians. Now it could very well turn out that Jones turns it around and becomes a big part of the offense, but there's no way Arians has a mandate to make that happen. Arians is going to use the guy that helps the offense the most. If Jones gets cast aside in favor of Barber, Ellington and/or Bruce Anderson sobeit. He wouldn't be the first second round pick not to make it. With that said his second round cost, will help give him another chance to show he can play - it will be up to him what he does with it.
As to GM Licht, I'm sure he wants the guy he used a second round pick on last season to be a major contributor but what he wants/needs even more if for the Bucs to win this season. The biggest piece to that puzzle is Winston followed very closely by Bruce Arians. Now it could very well turn out that Jones turns it around and becomes a big part of the offense, but there's no way Arians has a mandate to make that happen. Arians is going to use the guy that helps the offense the most. If Jones gets cast aside in favor of Barber, Ellington and/or Bruce Anderson sobeit. He wouldn't be the first second round pick not to make it. With that said his second round cost, will help give him another chance to show he can play - it will be up to him what he does with it.
Jacksonke1
Footballguy
From 2018.......after Bucs drafted Jones.....“It’s something that’s definitely needed and I know Dirk is excited to have him. A player like that will help the entire offense,” Bucs co-chairman Joel Glazer said of his signing.
Very few team owners are hands-off nowadays.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Obviously that was a bit of hyperbole on my part, but the point remains - the Glazers could not care less if Jones was running the ball or if it's Peyton Barber. They care about two things: winning and the bottom line (not necessarily in that order).Jacksonke1 said:
Elevencents
Footballguy
Not even considering the guy until this. Loved him in college, and then all of the camp talk last year sounded awful. And his playtime reflected it. I’ll stick with Peyton way down in the basement rounds until I hear something different.
MAC_32
Footballguy
This is the right mindset in redraft, but his price is already up in dynasty and all positive reports will do is further inflate that price.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Pump the brakes? I'm stomping on them! Barber is the Rodney Dangerfield of RB's. I'll stick with him until Rojo proves otherwise.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
There is a reason he gets no respect. Barber had the 13th most touches in the NFL last year and yet was RB26 in standard and RB31 in PPR. He is very inefficient and is likely to see his workload decresse. No reason to invest in Babrer IMO.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Barber is who he is. A decent RB4.
I'd say Rojo's verdict is not known at this time. It certainly doesnt look great.
If you're going to invest in this backfield going forward I'd say Rojo but I'm expecting a 2020 draft pick is the way to go as I dont see Rojo panning out and then TB would be picking a rb early
I'd say Rojo's verdict is not known at this time. It certainly doesnt look great.
If you're going to invest in this backfield going forward I'd say Rojo but I'm expecting a 2020 draft pick is the way to go as I dont see Rojo panning out and then TB would be picking a rb early
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I know there have been whispers but if Duke Johnson goes there does he become a starter?
bostonfred
Footballguy
Who rushed for more yards than Ronald Jones did in his final 3 games?
A) peyton barber
B) peyton manning
C) Sean Payton
D) bostonfred
E) all of the above
A) peyton barber
B) peyton manning
C) Sean Payton
D) bostonfred
E) all of the above
rzrback77
Footballguy
I’m not sure he would be the Week 1 starter, but I’d wager he’d be the back to own.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
jm192
Footballguy
On the flip side:Ilov80s said:
Barber is one of the most inefficient backs in the league, and yet they still won't give Jones the ball. What does that say? And that's the coaching staff that drafted him.
Now you have a coaching change. The kid better light the world on fire in the pre-season. Otherwise, Barber is in light to get another 250 touches. Regardless of effeciency, that kind of volume at his ADP=value.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
TheWinz
Footballguy
So, he was a high end RB3 in standard, and a mid RB3 in PPR, but there is no reason to invest in him as a RB4? I don't get it.Ilov80s said:
I am not saying he is great, or even very good, but compared to the other TB RB's for the past 3 yrs, he is efficient. Doug Martin only averaged 2.9 YPC on 282 carries. Perhaps Peyton's stats aren't a true measure of his talent. Until Rojo passes him, Barber will continue to get enough volume to be a RB3.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
This is the stance I'm taking in the Hines thread, so I get it.
If im investing in TB RBs for 2019 only, at this point Barber is the guy I'd only have interest in. I dont think the long term RB is on this roster, so I wouldnt pay much for Barber. So maybe that's the disconnect here... Barber poses value as a RB3 at RB4/5 prices, but I think the reason he is priced there is because of the potential lack of value beyond 2019
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
What an odd stance to take. There are plenty of examples of guys who couldnt cut it in the NFL but had great college resumes.
It was posted earlier, but Guice had more rushing yards than Jones from week 8 onward last year (or something like that).
TheWinz
Footballguy
I totally agree. For 2018, he was value in redraft, and will be the same in 2019. He may even hold value in 2020, depending on his situation, but he is not a dynasty prospect. I tell ya what though - if he is $8 again in the subscriber contest, he will be on my roster once again.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah I’m trying to avoid both guys.
It depends on league size and starting requirements for sure. In a larger league with more roster spots, he is viable. In more traditional leagues, he seems to have no upside. I prefer to get players with upside in those later rounds. With Barber, if everything goes right, it seems like he’s just not going to provide much help. He’s a solid target if one went zero RB.
It’s not just the carries he got but all the carries he didn’t get.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I just generally have found myself frustrated when I take guys like Barber. Was the Barber owner drafter last year happy with him? No because all he did was provide the absolute bottom level production all year. 39th in standard ppg, 44th in ppr ppg. Barber is just clogging up a roster spot.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
He played well enough leading up to ly trade deadline to trade him, so I was pretty happy.
a RB4 is a guy you hope you never have to start, but if you do youd be hard pressed to find one who gets the volume Barber does. Which is both a good and a bad thing, but at least hes getting opportunities
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