Mr. Peterson
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This girl is unattractive and trashy too. Just looking to get famous off S’ing some D.huthut said:
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
She isn't very smart. She could have easily been raped and murdered. Meeting someone by yourself in a rear parking lot, leaving your phone behind and getting into a van with tinted windows is beyond stupid.
Peak
Footballguy
Okay...sure...but if there was candy in the van? I mean, that's gotta be okay, right?
rockaction
Footballguy
Exactly what I thought. Oof. Though to be fair, it did look like he needed footwork changes last year. So maybe this is what's called for. I just don't like it, that's all.
rockaction
Footballguy
There ya go, fella. That paunch did you no favors athletically last year. 
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I know its probably hard to get an unbiased opinion from a Browns thread full of diehard fans, but does anyone think Baker Mayfield will ever be an elite (top 5) fantasy QB? I don't doubt he can bounce back and be a very good NFL QB, but will that translate to fantasy you think?
daveR
Footballguy
Top-5 is a tall order. While he progressed as a professional last year, it certainly didn't show up in his FF stats. On the other hand, I like where they appear to be heading with him. They promise to improve his mechanics and tailor the offense to him. His stats will improve without a doubt, IMO. Still, I don't think we'll ever see elite, HOF level, which I equate to top-5.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Well said. Top 5 might be a reach unless things really start to click, but I see Top 10 as a strong potential. The talent is there in the offense, and they brought in the coaches who (on paper) appear to be able to capitalize on it. It might take 1 year of working out the kinks, but I think they can make significant improvements on Offense. The OL is my only concern. While I am a Baker owner.... but I did not put all my eggs in 1 basket. Blind faith will only get you so far....
MAC_32
Footballguy
Not an every year top 5 type. If he's a 2 and 3 contract qb then he will have some top 5 seasons though. This year's draft will be telling, but I'd put 2022 on your radar. That's the year after Chubb expires and if these guys are still calling the shots then I'd be surprised if he is retained.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
LOL 
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rockaction
Footballguy
His long stride and release where everything floats high and to the right gives me real pause. I'm not sanguine about his future at all, but people know me as being down on Baker so take that with a grain of salt. But he didn't look pretty even in clean pockets last year.
That said, how often was he in a clean pocket? His strength of schedule was absolutely brutal last year if we're just talking the defenses of teams he faced.
That said, how often was he in a clean pocket? His strength of schedule was absolutely brutal last year if we're just talking the defenses of teams he faced.
MAC_32
Footballguy
**sees @rockaction posting in the Baker Mayfield thread**
**realizes he did not make any fat jokes**
**realizes he did not make any fat jokes**
Milkman
Footballguy
I'm just not ready to bail on him yet because his OL did not help him at all. They were trying to go down the field to much and didn't have the OL to give Baker enough time. He might have been shell shocked by that and that might be why he was feeling pressure that was not there.
They upgraded both T positions. Picked up a nice back up C who can play some G too.
rockaction
Footballguy
I agree with the bolded. I'm not sure what one can draw from last year about Mayfield. That's about the fairest assessment I can honestly make, even given what looked like awful mechanics in the early-mid to latter half of the year, which might have been a function of his line play. He's certainly got playmakers around him and he and Higgins seemed to have rapport at WR, so if Higgins is WR3, then that's something to be considered, too.
I personally did not see enough of him the first year to mitigate what I saw of him last year, so like I said, less sanguine than others about his potential. If he takes care of basic fundamentals, his supporting cast should at least make him an above-average QB. Whether he's fantasy-relevant is another issue entirely. In 1 QB/12 team redraft, I don't think the pickings are that picked over to make one needy other than QBBC or rotational stuff. In Superflex or 2 QB, then sure he is relevant. Dynasty? Yeah, probably so if not definitely so. Depends on how deep your rosters are.
rockaction
Footballguy
Interesting article behind the PFF paywall yesterday or Thursday about Mayfield and reasons for optimism and concern.
Milkman
Footballguy
I love how they addressed their OL. If they can stay healthy I think you'll see some Baker swag this year again.
I’m hopeful because I like his talent but with Stefanski running the show it’s a bit hard to imagine him breaking through for an elite season. Back end QB1 would be good but that’s not moving the needle in 1QB. Superflex a different story and he’s probably a solid buy there.
I'll admit I was never a fan of the prospect and was doubting myself a bit after his rookie year but I am back to square 1 now
He is still overrated for a guy who had OBJ, Landry, Chubb and Hunt and still posted a borderline bottom 5 QB season and couldn't beat Duck Hodges and the 2-14 Bengals
Daniel Jones nearly broke Baker's rookie TD record with a 5th round rookie as his WR1, Wayne Gallman as his RB and Kaden Smith as his TE
Josh Allen still has a lot of work to do but led an offense just about equal to the Browns' throwing to WRs worse than Baker's number 2 with the corpse of Frank Gore and a 3rd round rookie as his RBs—all while nearly toppling the Patriots for the division title
Kyler with a turnstile OL, 40 year old Fitz+washed DJ and Drake as his weapons and a ####ty Vance Joseph coached D earned a better record in a tougher division
Baker...did more commercials
I know Kitchens was bad but it's put up or shut up this season after a year of "doing less with more" better than anyone
He is still overrated for a guy who had OBJ, Landry, Chubb and Hunt and still posted a borderline bottom 5 QB season and couldn't beat Duck Hodges and the 2-14 Bengals
Daniel Jones nearly broke Baker's rookie TD record with a 5th round rookie as his WR1, Wayne Gallman as his RB and Kaden Smith as his TE
Josh Allen still has a lot of work to do but led an offense just about equal to the Browns' throwing to WRs worse than Baker's number 2 with the corpse of Frank Gore and a 3rd round rookie as his RBs—all while nearly toppling the Patriots for the division title
Kyler with a turnstile OL, 40 year old Fitz+washed DJ and Drake as his weapons and a ####ty Vance Joseph coached D earned a better record in a tougher division
Baker...did more commercials
I know Kitchens was bad but it's put up or shut up this season after a year of "doing less with more" better than anyone
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I think i'm cutting him this year. Just watching him last year he just doesn't have 'it'. You look at even a Jones and some of his games you can see it. Maayfield looks nervous, can't see the field and is fairly inaccurate. He doesn't know how to use his feet to create time for his wrs. Can he learn and overcome all these things...maybe
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
I think you may be overstating how good Bakers situation was last year. Hunt was suspended half the year. OBJ was clearly playing injured for the majority of it. The Oline was terrible. They didn't really have a TE after Njoku got hurt. Antonio Callaway, their WR3, smoked himself out of the league.
It sounds like I'm making excuses for Baker but young players struggle can struggle when dealing with adversity unless they have good coaching to keep it all together. Instead they had Kitchens also trying to figure everything out. It was the roster with the 3rd youngest average age in the league and it fell apart without leadership. To most teams it would be the perfect storm of bad but it felt like another Browns season.
I'm not optimistic they fix it, hiring another young coach, but it makes sense in hindsight why last year missed expectations so badly.
He is probably overrated, getting drafted first overall and rookie passing TD records will do that.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Peyton Manning may have led all rookies in TDs his rookie year(26) but he also led the league in interceptions(28). His 4th year he had 26 TDs and 23 INTs........just sayin’
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
True, but Peyton didn't waste time his first two years in the league going at ex-coaches and sports talking heads. Manning had growing pains, but you always had the sense that he was going to pan out and be a great one. The same cannot be said for Baker Mayfield, IMO.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There are two types of philosophies- the QB is allowed to roam around, the QB should stay in the pocket. Baker can not succeed in the latter but he's a gutsy fun larger than life style QB in the former.
We have seen it with tons and tons of young QBs behind questionable lines while their team rebuilds. The QB must be able to move around and do whatever makes him comfortable under duress.
I felt like the Browns let him do this his rookie year. I felt like year two, like he'd get in trouble for doing it. He'd move around, there'd be some sideline exchange, and then he'd be in the pocket next series.
The Browns must let him move around or they drafted the wrong guy. If the Cards don't let Murray move around this year, if the Fins don't let Tua move around...it's what they do.
Look at Mariota's awesome 4.4 speed and being forced in the pocket. Imagine Lamar not allowed to run.
Baker is supposed to look like Favre, Young, Elway and rolling around til he fires a pass from a cannon.
I DO think the Browns drafted the right guy and wow did he turn them around and bring excitement to a downtrodden franchise but it's that we all enjoy him on the move and it fires us fans up watching, nevermind imagining what it's like to play with a guy like that.
If this OC won't allow him to move around then they should have drafted a 6-6 QB with a big arm. If he will, then get your popcorn ready. I really think it's that simple.
I can't stand people breaking down the game of a QB being sacked a million times or within two seconds. It is not his fault and no technique will fix it. The problem is elsewhere. There are a ton of Baker critics doing this- ignore them. Then there are the critics that break down when he did have time to pass- this is where it's at. In these types you'll see them breakdown as if he rolled right, he had this WR, but he rolled left. He threw it hard and low when he should have lofted a soft pass as that would have made the WRs catch far easier. He is clearly an inexperienced QB and has to improve, but ....ignore those that break down when he had 1.6 seconds to throw. It couldn't be more useless
We have seen it with tons and tons of young QBs behind questionable lines while their team rebuilds. The QB must be able to move around and do whatever makes him comfortable under duress.
I felt like the Browns let him do this his rookie year. I felt like year two, like he'd get in trouble for doing it. He'd move around, there'd be some sideline exchange, and then he'd be in the pocket next series.
The Browns must let him move around or they drafted the wrong guy. If the Cards don't let Murray move around this year, if the Fins don't let Tua move around...it's what they do.
Look at Mariota's awesome 4.4 speed and being forced in the pocket. Imagine Lamar not allowed to run.
Baker is supposed to look like Favre, Young, Elway and rolling around til he fires a pass from a cannon.
I DO think the Browns drafted the right guy and wow did he turn them around and bring excitement to a downtrodden franchise but it's that we all enjoy him on the move and it fires us fans up watching, nevermind imagining what it's like to play with a guy like that.
If this OC won't allow him to move around then they should have drafted a 6-6 QB with a big arm. If he will, then get your popcorn ready. I really think it's that simple.
I can't stand people breaking down the game of a QB being sacked a million times or within two seconds. It is not his fault and no technique will fix it. The problem is elsewhere. There are a ton of Baker critics doing this- ignore them. Then there are the critics that break down when he did have time to pass- this is where it's at. In these types you'll see them breakdown as if he rolled right, he had this WR, but he rolled left. He threw it hard and low when he should have lofted a soft pass as that would have made the WRs catch far easier. He is clearly an inexperienced QB and has to improve, but ....ignore those that break down when he had 1.6 seconds to throw. It couldn't be more useless
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Baker’s Biggest Issue
He's short and his linemen are tall so he needs to drop back further than a taller/average sized NFL QB to find the middle of the field.
When he made an extra step back last year it put him in the path of edge defenders. Poor OT play added to the problem along with a poor scheme/HC/OC all on Kitchens.
Loss of TE Njuko early last year coupled with injuries to both starting WRs didn't help matter.
What has changed?
We'll see what effect everything has if/any but everything that has happened makes sense.
I've studied the Shanahan offense and how they create open passing lanes that have made mediocre QBs look really good and how this blocking scheme opens up the running game which opens up play-action.
I'm excited to see the patented Shanahan roll/boot play-action because that is going to help more than people realize.
Go to the link for charts/graphs and the rest of the read.
He's short and his linemen are tall so he needs to drop back further than a taller/average sized NFL QB to find the middle of the field.
When he made an extra step back last year it put him in the path of edge defenders. Poor OT play added to the problem along with a poor scheme/HC/OC all on Kitchens.
Loss of TE Njuko early last year coupled with injuries to both starting WRs didn't help matter.
What has changed?
- New scheme that fits Baker's strengths.
- New HC/OC/ as noted scheme.
- Landed top FA OT in Conklin.
- Landed one of the top if not the top rookie OT in Jed Wills.
- Healthy WRs/TE/ with new addition TE who is getting solid reviews in camp.
We'll see what effect everything has if/any but everything that has happened makes sense.
I've studied the Shanahan offense and how they create open passing lanes that have made mediocre QBs look really good and how this blocking scheme opens up the running game which opens up play-action.
I'm excited to see the patented Shanahan roll/boot play-action because that is going to help more than people realize.
