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Opinion: "An emerging religious worldview — “Fox evangelicalism” — is preached from the pulpits of conservative media outlets like Fox News and imbues secular practices like shopping for gifts with religious significance"

To hear the Christian right tell it, President Trump should be a candidate for sainthood — that is, if evangelicals believed in saints.

“Never in my lifetime have we had a Potus willing to take such a strong outspoken stand for the Christian faith like Donald Trump,” tweeted Franklin Graham, the son of the evangelist Billy Graham. The Dallas pastor Robert Jeffress sees a divine hand at work: “God intervened in our election and put Donald Trump in the Oval Office for a great purpose.”

Testimonials like this confound critics who label conservative evangelical figures like Mr. Graham and Mr. Jeffress hypocrites for embracing a man who is pretty much the human embodiment of the question “What would Jesus not do?”

But what those critics don’t recognize is that the nationalistic, race-baiting, fear-mongering form of politics enthusiastically practiced by Mr. Trump and Roy Moore in Alabama is central to a new strain of American evangelicalism. This emerging religious worldview — let’s call it “Fox evangelicalism” — is preached from the pulpits of conservative media outlets like Fox News. It imbues secular practices like shopping for gifts with religious significance and declares sacred something as worldly and profane as gun culture.

Journalists and scholars have spent decades examining the influence of conservative religion on American politics, but we largely missed the impact conservative politics was having on religion itself. As a progressive evangelical and journalist covering religion, I’m as guilty as any of not noticing what was happening. We kept asking how white conservative evangelicals could support Mr. Trump, who luxuriates in divisive rhetoric and manages only the barest veneer of religiosity. But that was never the issue. Fox evangelicals don’t back Mr. Trump despite their beliefs, but because of them.

The constant fight over who has the best god is so adolescent that it always makes me realize that there is little hope for the species. I...

Consider the so-called War on Christmas, which the president has made a pet crusade. Mr. Trump has been sharing Christmas greetings since October, well before decorations had even shown up in most stores, when the Values Voter Summit crowd gave him a standing ovation for declaring, “We’re saying ‘Merry Christmas’ again!” He has spent November and December taking victory laps, telling crowds at political rallies in Utah and Florida that “Christmas is back, better and bigger than ever before.”

Every one of Mr. Trump’s predecessors declared “Merry Christmas,” too — including Barack Obama, whose message at last year’s Christmas tree-lighting ceremony was virtually indistinguishable from Mr. Trump’s. What matters to Fox evangelicals, though, is not that Mr. Trump observes Christmas but that he casts himself as the defender of the Christian holiday.

From the beginning, the War on Christmas was a homegrown Fox News cause, introduced by the so-named 2005 book by John Gibson, a former Fox News host, and promoted annually by Bill O’Reilly. But it was never really a religious argument. Mr. O’Reilly and company weren’t occupied with defending belief in the Virgin Birth or worrying that the celebration of Christ’s birth had become too commercialized.

In an irony appreciated by anyone who remembers the original anti-consumption, anti-Santa meaning of the “Reason for the Season” slogan, Fox and allies like the American Family Association focused on getting more Christmas into stores and shopping malls. For more than a decade, Fox News hosts have kept viewers updated on which stores were “in the Christmas spirit,” and the American Family Association, which operates nearly 200 radio stations in the United States, maintains its very own “naughty and nice” list for retailers.

As a result, the War on Christmas has moved one of the holiest Christian days out of the church and into the secular realm. That may suit conservative activists who promote Christian nationalism and want to see Christianity officially dominate the public sphere. But at a time when a new Pew Research Center study shows that only about half of those Americans who celebrate Christmas plan to do so as a religious holiday, the War on Christmas may be damaging Christian witness by elevating performative secular practices.

These days, even though Mr. O’Reilly declared “victory” last year in the War on Christmas, Fox News still gives the supposed controversy wall-to-wall coverage and has folded it into the network’s us-versus-them, nationalist programming. The regular Fox News viewer, whether or not he is a churchgoer, takes in a steady stream of messages that conflate being white and conservative and evangelical with being American.

The power of that message may explain the astonishing findings of a survey released this month by LifeWay Research, a Christian organization based in Nashville. LifeWay’s researchers developed questions meant to get at both the way Americans self-identify religiously and their theological beliefs. What they discovered was that while one-quarter of Americans consider themselves to be “evangelical,” less than half of that group actually holds traditional evangelical beliefs. For others, “evangelical” effectively functions as a cultural label, unmoored from theological meaning.

But if the conservative media has created a category of Fox evangelical converts, it has also influenced the way a whole generation of churchgoing evangelicals thinks about God and faith. On no issue is this clearer than guns.

In fall 2015, I visited Trinity Bible College, an Assemblies of God-affiliated school in North Dakota, to join the conservative evangelical students there for a screening of “The Armor of Light,” a documentary by the filmmaker Abigail Disney. The film followed the pastor and abortion opponent Rob Schenck on his quest to convince fellow evangelicals — the religious demographic most opposed to gun restrictions — that pro-life values are incompatible with an embrace of unrestricted gun access. I found Mr. Schenck compelling, and my editor had sent me to see if his target audience bought the arguments.

It did not.

As two dozen of us gathered for a post-screening discussion, I was both astonished and troubled, as a fellow evangelical, by the visceral sense of fear that gripped these young adults. As a child in the Baptist church, I had been taught to be vigilant about existential threats to my faith. But these students in a town with a population of some 1,200 saw the idea of a home invasion or an Islamic State attack that would require them to take a human life in order to save others as a certainty they would face, not a hypothetical.

These fears are far removed from the reality of life in North Dakota, a state that saw a total of 21 homicides in 2015. Of those deaths, seven were caused by firearms, and only three were committed by someone unknown to the victim. Yet the students around me agreed unreservedly with Wayne LaPierre, chief executive of the National Rifle Association, who was seen in the film asserting that “in the world around us, there are terrorists, home invaders, drug cartels, carjackers, knockout gamers, rapers, haters, campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers.”

This worldview is familiar to anyone who has spent time watching Fox News, where every day viewers are confronted with threats to their way of life. It’s also profoundly un-Christian. One of the most consistent messages of the Bible is the exhortation “Do not be afraid!” Before young evangelicals can read, we memorize verses reminding us to “be strong and courageous” and “trust in the Lord.” “Fear,” says Mr. Schenck in the documentary, “should not be a controlling element in the life of a Christian.”

Fear and distrust of outsiders — in conflict with numerous biblical teachings to “welcome the stranger” — also explain Fox evangelicals’ strong support for the Trump administration’s efforts to bar refugees and restrict travel to the United States from several majority-Muslim nations. After Mr. Trump’s initial executive orders during his first week in office, more than 100 evangelical leaders, including the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, published a full-page ad in The Washington Post denouncing the refugee ban and urging the president to reconsider. But those leaders didn’t speak for most white evangelicals, three-quarters of whom told Pew pollsters they supported the refugee and travel bans.

That disconnect underscores the challenge many pastors face in trying to shepherd congregants who are increasingly alienated from traditional Gospel teachings. “A pastor has about 30 to 40 minutes each week to teach about Scripture,” said Jonathan Martin, an Oklahoma pastor and popular evangelical writer. “They’ve been exposed to Fox News potentially three to four hours a day.”

It’s meaningful, Mr. Martin says, that scions of the religious right like Jerry Falwell Jr. are not pastors like their fathers. “There was a lot I didn’t agree with him on, but I’m confident that it was important to Senior” — Jerry Falwell — “that he grounded his beliefs in Scripture,” Mr. Martin said. “Now the Bible’s increasingly irrelevant. It’s just ‘us versus them.’”

The result is a malleable religious identity that can be weaponized not just to complain about department stores that hang “Happy Holidays” banners, but more significantly, in support of politicians like Mr. Trump or Mr. Moore — and of virtually any policy, so long as it is promoted by someone Fox evangelicals consider on their side of the culture war.

“It explains how much evangelicals have moved the goal post,” said Mr. Martin. “If there’s not a moral theology or ethic to it, but it’s about playing for the right team, you can do anything and still be on the right side.”

Amy Sullivan is the author of “The Party Faithful” and co-host of the podcast Impolite Company.

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Right wingers have always been a fearful lot. Everything is a threat.

Blame them not-they are mentally defective due to their enlarged amygdalas. (Hey, I know that's a ridiculous argument but if it can be used against transgendereds let's use it here too).

 
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It’s sad to see someone that I think is a good person in Graham be conned by this guy.  I’m not sure you could pick a person that is more of an antithesis for the teachings of Jesus than Trump.  He’s not humble, he’s not kind, he doesn’t love his neighbor, he’s not meek, he loves money, he lies, he bullies, he’s crude.  

 
It’s sad to see someone that I think is a good person in Graham be conned by this guy.  I’m not sure you could pick a person that is more of an antithesis for the teachings of Jesus than Trump.  He’s not humble, he’s not kind, he doesn’t love his neighbor, he’s not meek, he loves money, he lies, he bullies, he’s crude.  
:confused:  He's got a fair amount of hate in his heart.

 
As an evangelical Christian (who attended a private Christian college and went to Seminary for 2 years to prepare for full time ministry) the single biggest corruptive force in the church today is political idolatry. I saw it so often. 

The church is completely owned by the right. Which is sad cause imo the gospel is completely apolitical. 

 
:confused:  He's got a fair amount of hate in his heart.
I don’t want to hijack but what are you basing that on?  

ETA - I think I thought this was Billy Graham - I don’t know much about his son - maybe he’s more political?

 
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I’m not sure you could pick a person that is more of an antithesis for the teachings of Jesus than Trump.  He’s not humble, he’s not kind, he doesn’t love his neighbor, he’s not meek, he loves money, he lies, he bullies, he’s crude.  
He's pretty much an embodiment of the other guy.

As an evangelical Christian (who attended a private Christian college and went to Seminary for 2 years to prepare for full time ministry) the single biggest corruptive force in the church today is political idolatry. I saw it so often. 

The church is completely owned by the right. Which is sad cause imo the gospel is completely apolitical
the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.  i don't know, the Bible including the gospel seems political. At times anyway.

 
I don’t want to hijack but what are you basing that on?  

ETA - I think I thought this was Billy Graham - I don’t know much about his son - maybe he’s more political?
he's even more political, conservative than his dad. in fact, iirc, he even denounced his dad at one point during some dust-up.

 
He's pretty much an embodiment of the other guy.

the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.  i don't know, the Bible including the gospel seems political. At times anyway.
Sure the Bible includes political topics, and a Christian worldview may inform or challenge ones political ideology, but...

The Gospel specifically is about ushering in the Kingdom of God (and by extension those who are citizens of the Kingdom would embody Kingdom values here on earth). I mean if anyone could have defined his mission as a political one it was Jesus. He said no thanks. 

 
"The War on Christmas" crowd? Cry me a river. It's like complaining the caviar isn't Russian grade, or that the resort didn't turn down your room one night. Because screw any tolerance, it's the majority way. Don't tell me Happy Holidays, liberal fool. 

 
As an evangelical Christian (who attended a private Christian college and went to Seminary for 2 years to prepare for full time ministry) the single biggest corruptive force in the church today is political idolatry. I saw it so often. 

The church is completely owned by the right. Which is sad cause imo the gospel is completely apolitical. 
pretty sure the gospel is liberal, especially compared to today's politics

 
pretty sure the gospel is liberal, especially compared to today's politics
Eh. Not really. The Gospel is about confronting your own imperfections in light of Gods holiness. So it’s more about admitting your inability to justify yourself. Then relying on Christ to make up that enormous gap. 

Yes it is about loving others and the widow and orphan and poor. Only because we are all poor in spirit. 

Neither ‘side’ gets to claim the Gospel. 

 
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Eh. Not really. The Gospel is about confronting your own imperfections in light of Gods holiness. So it’s more about admitting your inability to justify yourself. Then relying on Christ to make up that enormous gap. 

Yes it is about loving others and the widow and orphan and poor. Only because we are all poor in spirit. 

Neither ‘side’ gets to claim the Gospel. 
intrinsic elements of the gospels, embraced by one side and minimized by the other. sorry.

 
he's even more political, conservative than his dad. in fact, iirc, he even denounced his dad at one point during some dust-up.
Huh - wasn’t aware of that.  I agree with Roboto - it’s crazy how political churches and Christians are generally speaking - I’ve said in other threads they (Christians) seem to be more interested in being Republicans than Christians.

 
The regular Fox News viewer, whether or not he is a churchgoer, takes in a steady stream of messages that conflate being white and conservative and evangelical with being American.
This seems like a pretty accurate summation of a main Fox through line.

 
intrinsic elements of the gospels, embraced by one side and minimized by the other. sorry.
Yeah I get where you are coming from, but the political realm is a very easy way to show you are ‘for’ these without actually getting your hands dirty. 

Many christians are deeply charitable and take in orphans, care for widows and the poor. Their political leanings may not advocate for the state to do so at the same level liberals would believe however. 

 
Even within evangelicalism many are pretty disgusted with the Trumpified version of the right. 

And younger generations seem to be far less interesting in voting their theology and see the State and Church as living in different realms from a moral standpoint (I.e. you may be against hard drug use or abortion but may have no problem with both being fully legal according to the State). 

 
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There's a war on intellect, and Fox News and evangelicals are the minds and front line soldiers in this ridiculous war.  Professionals, truth, intellect, science, knowledge...all under attack.
They're not even subtle about it. You wonder what kind of god these people believe in that requires them to regress to a kindergartner's level of seeing the world. It's easy to see why more people call themselves atheists every year. 

 
If there was a blueprint for "How To Destroy A Religion", I'm pretty sure that the the #1 rule would be "Trick its followers into abandoning scripture".

 
I think we need a good working definition of evangelicalism, because thinking hard drugs and abortion should be legal are *not* beliefs that a substantial percentage of evangelicals hold. Theologically, that definition would have to delve heavily into hermeneutics and eschatology. Practically, it probably has very little to do with religion and more to do with a political view. Any group that went 80%+ for Trump doesn't have a lot in common with an oppressed ANE jew from Nazareth. 

Also, the term "Fox Evangelicalism" implies that there is another type of evangelicalism. I'm not convinced there is. 
I never said a substantial percentage did. I said younger evangelicals are more willing to separate their theology from the political realm. Maybe I gave bad examples. 

The definition of evangelicalism is most a historic one. But I’m not sure that’s too relevant here. 

I hope you saw my first post in this thread (that political idolatry is the single biggest corruptive force in the church today). 

 
Report: Jerry Falwell Jr. Pushed ‘Sweet Deal’ For Personal Trainer On Liberty U. Facilities

- The Falwell scandal is emerging and it's pretty crazy.

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According to Reuters, the school later transferred ownership of the $1.2 million facility to the trainer, Benjamin Crosswhite, in 2016 without requiring any cash up front. As part of the deal, Liberty University committed $650,000 to lease back part of the facility through 2025 and offered Crosswhite financing on the remainder of the sale at a generous 3% interest rate, per Reuters.

Falwell’s business relationship with Crosswhite, a former Liberty student, began in 2011, Reuters reported, when Falwell and his wife Rebecca began training with the 23-year-old.

Liberty had just received an athletic center as a gift from a recently deceased trustee, Reuters reported. The same year, 2011, Falwell emailed Liberty staff pressuring them to make Crosswhite a “sweet deal,” allowing him to access the facilities for private training sessions.

“Becki and I wouldn’t mind working out over there with Ben as a trainer because it is more private,” he reportedly wrote.

The next year, 2012, the couple reportedly brought Crosswhite along on Liberty’s private jet to Miami for Falwell’s required annual physical, “to explain to the doctors Mr. Falwell’s diet and exercise program and help document the results,” a school spokesperson told Reuters.

(Around the same time, Reuters noted, the Falwells had their fateful meeting with poolboy Giancarlo Granda at a hotel in Miami Beach, which kicked off another engrossing business relationship.)

Per Reuters, Falwell then sent an email to staff directing them to lease the gym space to Crosswhite, and the trainer began leasing space at the facility in 2013.

In 2016, Falwell signed the deal transferring ownership of the 18-acres-worth of facilities entirely to Crosswhite.

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That disconnect underscores the challenge many pastors face in trying to shepherd congregants who are increasingly alienated from traditional Gospel teachings. “A pastor has about 30 to 40 minutes each week to teach about Scripture,” said Jonathan Martin, an Oklahoma pastor and popular evangelical writer. “They’ve been exposed to Fox News potentially three to four hours a day.”

It’s meaningful, Mr. Martin says, that scions of the religious right like Jerry Falwell Jr. are not pastors like their fathers. “There was a lot I didn’t agree with him on, but I’m confident that it was important to Senior” — Jerry Falwell — “that he grounded his beliefs in Scripture,” Mr. Martin said. “Now the Bible’s increasingly irrelevant. It’s just ‘us versus them.’”

The result is a malleable religious identity that can be weaponized not just to complain about department stores that hang “Happy Holidays” banners, but more significantly, in support of politicians like Mr. Trump or Mr. Moore — and of virtually any policy, so long as it is promoted by someone Fox evangelicals consider on their side of the culture war.

“It explains how much evangelicals have moved the goal post,” said Mr. Martin. “If there’s not a moral theology or ethic to it, but it’s about playing for the right team, you can do anything and still be on the right side.”

 
Pool Boy Peccadilloes: Falwell’s New Admission Leaves Tantalizing Questions Unanswered

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Liberty University announced on August 7 that Falwell would be on an “indefinite leave of absence” from his position as president of the country’s foremost evangelical college, after he posted a photo on Instagram with his pants unzipped and his arms around a woman, who he later explained was his “wife’s assistant,” whose pants were also unzipped.

That came after years of allegations ranging from financial improprieties in how Falwell ran Liberty University to a tantalizing series of questions around his support for President Trump against Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) during the 2016 Republican primary.

Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen has hinted that he struck a deal to arrange a hush money payment to conceal racy photos of Falwell’s wife, which may or may not involve pool boy Granda.

That deal purportedly took place during the he 2016 Republican primary, raising questions around why Falwell threw his influential support behind Trump at a key moment for the Cruz campaign.

Falwell answers none of these questions in his statement, instead only admitting on his wife’s behalf that she had a brief and tempestuous affair with Granda.

The admission itself was laundered through Washington Examiner columnist Paul Bedard, a pro-Trump opinion writer who recently has been pushing allegations that Joe Biden has dementia and explaining that Mike Pence has plans for “ending abortion.”

In the statement and and accompanying interview with Bedard, Falwell claimed that Granda was using the “false claims about the nature of the relationship” to blackmail Falwell and his wife for a significant amount of money.

It’s not clear what those “false claims” are. But Falwell’s own loud denials offer a hint of what might come.

In admitting his wife’s affair, he said that her “inappropriate personal relationship” was “something in which I was not involved,” answering a question that nobody had yet asked.

The longtime president of a university that bans private interaction between members of the opposite sex unless they’re married went on to admit on his wife’s behalf that “while her indiscretion may have been more obvious and apparent, I realized that there were important smaller things I needed to do better too.”

It’s not clear whether posting the Instagram photo in which his pants were unzipped falls under the category of “important smaller things.” But Falwell pressed on in the statement, reiterating his accusation of blackmail against Granda while saying that it stems from a South Florida real estate deal gone bad, which had led to years of litigation between the pair.

The statement gives Falwell a chance to get out ahead of whatever Granda appears poised to reveal.

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Jesus christ what a scandal. 

I’ll speculate further that Falwell was having a homosexual affair with Crosswhite while Becki was schtupping the pool boy. 

 
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I don’t want to hijack but what are you basing that on?  

ETA - I think I thought this was Billy Graham - I don’t know much about his son - maybe he’s more political?
Have his actions of the last several years answered  your question?

 
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Jesus christ what a scandal. 

I’ll speculate further that Falwell was having a homosexual affair with Crosswhite while Becki was schtupping the pool boy. 
I thought the implication was that he liked watching his wife with other guys. I don't care what adults do in their own home, but it is somewhat hypocritical. 

 
Pool Boy Peccadilloes: Falwell’s New Admission Leaves Tantalizing Questions Unanswered

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Liberty University announced on August 7 that Falwell would be on an “indefinite leave of absence” from his position as president of the country’s foremost evangelical college, after he posted a photo on Instagram with his pants unzipped and his arms around a woman, who he later explained was his “wife’s assistant,” whose pants were also unzipped.

That came after years of allegations ranging from financial improprieties in how Falwell ran Liberty University to a tantalizing series of questions around his support for President Trump against Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) during the 2016 Republican primary.

Former Trump attorney Michael Cohen has hinted that he struck a deal to arrange a hush money payment to conceal racy photos of Falwell’s wife, which may or may not involve pool boy Granda.

That deal purportedly took place during the he 2016 Republican primary, raising questions around why Falwell threw his influential support behind Trump at a key moment for the Cruz campaign.

Falwell answers none of these questions in his statement, instead only admitting on his wife’s behalf that she had a brief and tempestuous affair with Granda.

The admission itself was laundered through Washington Examiner columnist Paul Bedard, a pro-Trump opinion writer who recently has been pushing allegations that Joe Biden has dementia and explaining that Mike Pence has plans for “ending abortion.”

In the statement and and accompanying interview with Bedard, Falwell claimed that Granda was using the “false claims about the nature of the relationship” to blackmail Falwell and his wife for a significant amount of money.

It’s not clear what those “false claims” are. But Falwell’s own loud denials offer a hint of what might come.

In admitting his wife’s affair, he said that her “inappropriate personal relationship” was “something in which I was not involved,” answering a question that nobody had yet asked.

The longtime president of a university that bans private interaction between members of the opposite sex unless they’re married went on to admit on his wife’s behalf that “while her indiscretion may have been more obvious and apparent, I realized that there were important smaller things I needed to do better too.”

It’s not clear whether posting the Instagram photo in which his pants were unzipped falls under the category of “important smaller things.” But Falwell pressed on in the statement, reiterating his accusation of blackmail against Granda while saying that it stems from a South Florida real estate deal gone bad, which had led to years of litigation between the pair.

The statement gives Falwell a chance to get out ahead of whatever Granda appears poised to reveal.

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Pence:  Hello mother

Trump Jr: Hello father

Falwell Jr: My wife did what in Granada?!!

 
It's hypocritical (though arguably it's all about identity politics, not religion, like Sharpton and Jackson back in the day), and it's possibly criminal (because of the shifting around university moneys), but also by all appearances Michael Cohen brokered a Falwell endorsement of Trump at the 2016 GOP convention while at the same time hushing up the scandal. 

 
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It's hypocritical (though arguably it's all about identity politics, not religion, like Sharpton and Jackson back in the day), and it's possibly criminal (because of the shifting around university moneys), but also by all appearances Michael Cohen brokered a Falwell endorsement of Trump at the 2016 GOP convention while at the same time hushing up the scandal. 
Hushing up, or agreeing not to publish the info only if Falwell endorsed Trump? Because the latter is blackmail I believe, and possibly a bigger crime than just "loaning" Falwell money to keep things quiet.

 
March is prime season in Miami, where it all started. What's an evangelical leader doing spending big bucks at the iconic Fontainebleau hotel in Miami where Goldfinger was partially shot? Is Becki still on the Women for Trump advisory committee? 
Hmmm. I wonder. 

 
March is prime season in Miami, where it all started. What's an evangelical leader doing spending big bucks at the iconic Fontainebleau hotel in Miami where Goldfinger was partially shot? Is Becki still on the Women for Trump advisory committee? 
Also the Loews, per the Herald. That is quite the scene.

Yep she's still on the website.

 
March is prime season in Miami, where it all started. What's an evangelical leader doing spending big bucks at the iconic Fontainebleau hotel in Miami where Goldfinger was partially shot? Is Becki still on the Women for Trump advisory committee? 
Have you no decency? Let's leave Goldfinger out of this.

 
The White House on Tuesday pushed back against an auctioneer’s claim to possess the Bible President Donald Trump used as a prop several months ago in his infamous St. John’s Episcopal Church photo-op, a Bible that the auctioneer also claims Trump autographed prior to giving it away.

...

In a phone call with TPM, Gary Zimet, an autograph curator at “Moments In Time” in Los Angeles, confirmed his remarks to Page Six in which he claimed that he had asked a “contact” at the White House to get Trump to sign the Bible shortly after the scandal erupted in early June.

Zimet said he successfully received the exact Bible that Trump waved in front of the church after he got law enforcement to teargas nearby peaceful protesters to clear his path for the photo-op. The curator put up the Bible for auction on Tuesday with a starting bid of $37,500.

However, Zimet would not disclose who his White House contact was, telling TPM that the information was “confidential.”

“I’ve been in business for 40 years, my dear, and I know autographs,” the auctioneer said when asked how he could prove to customers that the item was legitimate.

He also declined to say how many offers he’s received, only that he’s had “a great deal of interest” in the Bible.
TPM

 
Cohen writes that before winning the presidency, Trump held a meeting at Trump Tower with prominent evangelical leaders, where they laid their hands on him in prayer. Afterward, Trump allegedly said: “Can you believe that bulls--t? Can you believe people believe that bulls--t?”
Wapo

 

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