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WR Courtland Sutton, DEN (1 Viewer)
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Unfortunately I don't have a great direct value for you since it wasn't straight up for him.ConnSKINS26 said:
I traded away Mike Evans (my only WR worth anything since my offseason AB trade left me with very little at the position beside AB and Evans). I decided to get younger hoping for a quick rebuild. Took multiple pieces to get some depth.
So for Evans I got Sutton, Curtis Samuel, and Robert Woods. 3 younger guys that have a good chance to end up as the top WR for their teams by end of season.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
This week hoping Sanders is a full go so he draws Casey Hayward or Desmond King when he lines up out of the slot.
That will leave Michael Davis likely on Sutton, who is exploitable.
That will leave Michael Davis likely on Sutton, who is exploitable.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Because he normally covers the offense's WR1?
Someone correct me if I am wrong, here -- really would love a cheat sheet that maps coverage tendencies of the leagues better corners and safeties.
I guess my point was that an opponent could view Sutton as a #1 or as big a threat (or more) than Sanders
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Possible but I would imagine teams see Sanders, with his more experience and longer track record, as the WR1.
Going by stats alone, they really are WR1 and WR1a.
Which is why knowing tendencies (what side of the field corners line up on, do they generally stick with WR1 or roam, etc.) would be that much more helpful.
EthnicFury
Footballguy
This was super relevant for me this week. Thank you @cowboysfan8 for posting. Had the #1 CB following him since last year. Benched for Alshon but Sutton will see my lineup a lot this year where I own him.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Big #### energy to start the game! 70 yard TD.
The Frankman
Footballguy
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Denver got off to a huge start and just didnt need to throw rest of the game. Sutton looks like a weekly start
The Frankman
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ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Still yet to drop below 7 targets any game this year. This is a nice smooth ride so far.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
*ANOTHA ONE*
6/87 on 8 targets. I like this.
6/87 on 8 targets. I like this.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
He had that all in like the first quarter so ended up a little disappointing overall
The Frankman
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djmich
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Once/if they get the OL and QB positions settled down, even a little bit...Sutton becomes a WR1. As a Dolphins fan, I can attest to the fact that neither of those are easy problems to solve, but thats what is holding him back right now. Still posting WR2 numbers with that crud around him is impressive. To a lesser extent, reminds me of Calvin Johnson still putting up numbers with Dan Orlovsky having .8 seconds to throw a pass before getting smooshed.
It was telling that as bad as Flacco was, and as over as this game was with 10 minutes left that the Broncos did not give the backup (Allen?) a few snaps. Can you imagine how bad he must be in practice to not be even a hopeful upgrade over the ghost of Joe Flacco? Gotta get Drew Lock back and out there ASAP so they can determine if they are going to use what should be an early pick on a QB next year.
It was telling that as bad as Flacco was, and as over as this game was with 10 minutes left that the Broncos did not give the backup (Allen?) a few snaps. Can you imagine how bad he must be in practice to not be even a hopeful upgrade over the ghost of Joe Flacco? Gotta get Drew Lock back and out there ASAP so they can determine if they are going to use what should be an early pick on a QB next year.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
If he didn't get held/tackled on the flag he drew he was in for another long TD
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Went from a reliable flex player and a guy I was looking to move to upgrade RB2 to a guy I am not sure I want to part with as he can be leaned on as a fantasy WR2.
Super solid floor in defiance of how bad Denver looks or fares in games - guy gets 8+ targets guaranteed, and only dropped below 60 yards once.
It's simply dependable production. The cap on it is really only the TD portion -- if he was more a reliable producer of TDs, he would be WR1.
Super solid floor in defiance of how bad Denver looks or fares in games - guy gets 8+ targets guaranteed, and only dropped below 60 yards once.
It's simply dependable production. The cap on it is really only the TD portion -- if he was more a reliable producer of TDs, he would be WR1.
Football Jones
Footballguy
Yep. Sutton is coming on & will be better in 2020 just from simply filling up some of his headroom. He's a stud FF WR in the making.
And that's without any consideration from improved QB play or a better offense as a whole.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Sanders traded to SF for picks. Welcome to the Sutton Show.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
wr12 with Sanders. He could be higher without, however he did not have that same success without Sanders last year.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Hamilton in slot and god knows as the WR3. Winfree is there but hasn't caught a pass yet this season.
am I the only one that thinks this doesn't help nor hurt Sutton? Still a bad offense, should get more targets of course but he's the only legitimate receiving option for defenses to key in on.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I agree. but consider this, if he averaged an extra 2 fp/g due to the higher volume, he would be in Julio Jones territory for fp/g this year
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Yeah - I don’t love this. Teams best corner plus roll to his side. We’ll see
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Tim Patrick would be another big body on the outside once he gets healthy if they wanna keep it in house. He flashed a little bit end of last year.pbandy1 said:
Last 4 weeks last season: 7/85/1, 5/65, 3/44, 4/48
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Agreed. Sutton didn't do too well last year when thrust into the featured role after DT got traded and Sanders got hurt. He's improved for sure but same supporting cast (Patrick/Hamilton). Downgrade the whole offense.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I don't know what to think. I tend to agree that this hurt given target share, but certainly doesn't help as the one pass catcher to focus coverage on. His performance without Sanders as WR1A is not encouraging.
I feel like he's taken a step forward this year so hopefully it's less of an issue. I think from a production standpoint it's meaningless as Sanders hadn't done all that much recently anyway - where it might impact is the defensive focus.
To me it's a net neutral - he was the #1 before the trade and still is. Still in a bad, run-first offense with a bad QB.
To me it's a net neutral - he was the #1 before the trade and still is. Still in a bad, run-first offense with a bad QB.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Good point. He's a better player than last year when he was thrown into the #1 role. Now he's already there, and hopefully they can put something on the field that draws some coverage.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Broncos WR Tim Patrick (broken hand, injured reserve) is expected to be activated following the team's Week 10 bye.Jello_Biafra said:
Sidelined since Week 1, Patrick will miss his required eighth game in Week 9. The Broncos suddenly have a big need at receiver after trading Emmanuel Sanders. 25-year-old Patrick flashed a bit down the stretch last season. It's not entirely outside the realm of possibility he will have WR5 re-draft value following his return
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
What do we think will happen here, boys and girls?
Blowing past 10 targets leading to a 100+ yard game?
Holding his avg ~ 8 targets/80 yard game?
Being the focus of the offense and trying to let Flacco hit lesser participants on the WR corps on his way to a subpar game?
Colts are hard to figure out as they have been so variable against the pass. I do know their CBs (and the one likely lining up vs Sutton, Pierre Desir) are average, but Rock Ya Sin is a playmaker. Also know they play RB pass-catchers fairly well as Darius Leonard, Anthony Walker, and Matt Adams shadow fairly well, but are susceptible to TEs.
6/80 with around a 50% shot at a TD?
Blowing past 10 targets leading to a 100+ yard game?
Holding his avg ~ 8 targets/80 yard game?
Being the focus of the offense and trying to let Flacco hit lesser participants on the WR corps on his way to a subpar game?
Colts are hard to figure out as they have been so variable against the pass. I do know their CBs (and the one likely lining up vs Sutton, Pierre Desir) are average, but Rock Ya Sin is a playmaker. Also know they play RB pass-catchers fairly well as Darius Leonard, Anthony Walker, and Matt Adams shadow fairly well, but are susceptible to TEs.
6/80 with around a 50% shot at a TD?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
saftey hooker is back this week.
i expect the same from sutton going forward....
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Hear the sound of Flacco's herniated disc begin to bulge?
That's also the sound of Sutton's fantasy value deflating, I fear.
That's also the sound of Sutton's fantasy value deflating, I fear.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
Most likely, but who can really predict what to expect out of Branden Allen?
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
I guess a lot more than Lock, apparently. Certainly the Broncos feel that way, which I find really interesting.
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
As bad as Flacco was, I guess it can always be worse. Like Luke Faulk bad. But what a low bar Allen has to hit to keep things staus quo.
Even though the Jags are saying Foles is not available, if I am Elway, I am on the phone with Jacksonville making 100% certain.
Even though the Jags are saying Foles is not available, if I am Elway, I am on the phone with Jacksonville making 100% certain.
Jello_Biafra
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Checked the Broncos Depth Chart. They are going to need to bring another QB in. Allen, Flacco, and Lock ar ethe only QBs on the roster, and Flacco and Lock are not healthy. They either bring in a street free agent QB, or they make a trade by 4:00 tomorrow.
Rosen/Fitz, Beathard, Foles all seem like they could be had with only Foles being expensive. Any of those guys, or Colin Kaepernick are probably an upgrade over Brandon Allen and possibly even over Flacco, although you never know with Allen since he has never thrown a pass in an NFL game.
Rosen/Fitz, Beathard, Foles all seem like they could be had with only Foles being expensive. Any of those guys, or Colin Kaepernick are probably an upgrade over Brandon Allen and possibly even over Flacco, although you never know with Allen since he has never thrown a pass in an NFL game.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Right, but he was put there on September 1st so is eligible to be removed if the team chooses to do so.
