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== OFFICIAL OAKLAND RAIDERS 2018 thread == (4 Viewers)
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massraider
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Never got the Iloka talk. Just a guy.
neal cassady
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Arden Key looks fantastic. High energy, very athletic..reminds me of Aldon Smith. He and Mack would wreck havoc. Hurst is also a beast. Front four with potential to be awesome. ?
massraider
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Key, Hurst and Hall. Pretty stoked. That holding call on Key was terrible, Key made a nice move, then slipped as he was bending the edge. Can't wait for this team to play on a real surface.
Hall has been a find. He's fun to watch.
Hall has been a find. He's fun to watch.
Chadstroma
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Chadstroma
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Loved what I saw from Key last night. Lets get Mack back and he will have players with him to play.
joey
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This D line is going to be an absolute strength of our D. Can’t help but wonder if they could be the best in the league if Mack comes back and the young guys keep it up.
I find it it hard to believe that we're stick with these 2 QBs as our backups. I guess it’s not like there are any better options walking the streets right now (are there?) but man is it scary to see those 2 scrubs do absolutely nothing on O.
I find it it hard to believe that we're stick with these 2 QBs as our backups. I guess it’s not like there are any better options walking the streets right now (are there?) but man is it scary to see those 2 scrubs do absolutely nothing on O.
I'm pretty stoked on the defense too. Even the new players in the secondary are making a difference. I'm not used to seeing so many contested passes, it's a nice change. It's good to watch the young LBs, Lee and Morrow growing up and playing well. Good for depth and special teams in the short term. Long term, Lee will probably end up taking over for Johnson. Nothing else to be said that hasn't been already about the youth on the Dline. I haven't been this excited about the front 7 as a whole in decades.
What are they gonna do at RB? I dont know how Warren can not make the team and I like Richard's role in Grudens offense. Could Washington be the odd man out due to injury? Good problem to have I guess.
Pharoah Brown, please cut him already!
What are they gonna do at RB? I dont know how Warren can not make the team and I like Richard's role in Grudens offense. Could Washington be the odd man out due to injury? Good problem to have I guess.
Pharoah Brown, please cut him already!
joey
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RB...yeah I’m fine with cutting Washington. I've always liked the spark I’ve seen from Richard more than what I’ve seen from Washington.
Not so sold on the DBs though. I hope a devastating rotation on the D line with constant pressure will make our DBs look better than I think they are.
joey
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Ps. Sounds like Gruden shares my concern about back up QB...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000950939/article/jon-gruden-unsure-if-raiders-have-backup-qb-on-roster
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000950939/article/jon-gruden-unsure-if-raiders-have-backup-qb-on-roster
Stompin' Tom Connors
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Yep - not just for injury, but for having a similar skill set to Richard, compared to whom Washington was always just slightly less versatile.
We need to keep Chris "The Future" Warren. Kid is a damned wrecking ball shot out of a cannon.
Agreed... I just know if Warren were cut someone would swoop him up before he could land on the practice squad. There are plenty of teams who can use a big RB. Seattle, Denver, Washington and Buffalo just off the top of my head. He does seem to get stacked up when he goes horizontal or tries to pick out a hole. But man, when hes going north and south, get the eff outta the way!
Chadstroma
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I can't remember how his father ran. Was he a bruiser too? How badly did Texas screw up trying to make him a TE?
Chaka
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Warren is a big boy but Rashaad Penny is 5'11" 220lbs and Royce Freeman is 6'0" 229lbs. Washington makes a lot of sense for any RB. Buffalo too.
I said earlier in the thread that the Raiders should be doing everything they can to trade a RB to Washington but they may just be waiting to see who gets cut because a reasonably talented back will get cut.
dcgangstas
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Love these three guys.
I wasn't happy about the Hilton pick in the first round when Derwin James was on the board, but these rooks make up for it a bit.l
krsone21
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Traded Switzer to Pittsburgh. Like that. I wonder if we were making calls trying to unload Roberts and the Steelers were like "no thanks, but is Switzer available?" Unsure of what we got.... but anything is better than cutting for nothing.
Not sure how I feel about that. Thought he was having a good camp. Looks like Griff will be returning punts..
Chadstroma
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DocHolliday
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Not sure how I feel about that either since we never saw Switzer play and I have wanted a true slot WR in Oakland for years. But, a 5th round pick sounds nice and the Raiders have a pretty deep WR corp.
Chaka
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Chadstroma
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More moves. I find it interesting that they made the move of Switzer with Whalen hobbled. I think that tells us that A) Switzer was on the losing side of the bubble. Being beat out by Harris for return duty and happy with the depth at WR that Switzer didn't have room and B) Whalen may not be the reason for either.
Giacomini just strengthens what we already know. First, he isn't very good and a poor band aid. Second, they have a lot of faith in Kolton Miller at LT and Penn at RT since we get real thin real fast at T after that. Here is hoping for healthy years from Miller and Penn.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Who is getting cut?
It is kind of odd. I am expecting some real hard decisions for DL here. Keep 10? At the cost of what position?
Assume Mack back.
I think we can consider these guys safe....
Carradine, Edwards, Ellis, Brown, Hall, Hurst, and Key.
That is 8 already.
So... bubble....
Rucker, Hester, Soto, Calhoun, Vanderdoes, and Wright.
DB and RB are the other positions where there are some decisions to be made.
RB, we know we are keeping Lynch. Martin seems safe. Warren has been a beast running the ball but needs to improve in everything without the ball. Richard and Washington? Butler will be gone. But those last three. Yikes.
DB, we know Melvin, Gilchrist, Conley and Joseph aren't going anywhere. After that, I wouldn't bet on anything. Worley has been putting in good work from what I hear. Nick Nelson too and he is young. The old guys keeping up? DRC, Reggie Nelson, Hall? McDonald, Wright, Luani, Mauger, Leavitt, Hamilton, Pringle, David... all gone- right?
I wouldn't be surprised to see us cut EJ for a QB that gets cut that we may want to take a run at. He sure hasn't looked good not as Cook but I would bet Cook is given a reprieve for one more year.
It is kind of odd. I am expecting some real hard decisions for DL here. Keep 10? At the cost of what position?
Assume Mack back.
I think we can consider these guys safe....
Carradine, Edwards, Ellis, Brown, Hall, Hurst, and Key.
That is 8 already.
So... bubble....
Rucker, Hester, Soto, Calhoun, Vanderdoes, and Wright.
DB and RB are the other positions where there are some decisions to be made.
RB, we know we are keeping Lynch. Martin seems safe. Warren has been a beast running the ball but needs to improve in everything without the ball. Richard and Washington? Butler will be gone. But those last three. Yikes.
DB, we know Melvin, Gilchrist, Conley and Joseph aren't going anywhere. After that, I wouldn't bet on anything. Worley has been putting in good work from what I hear. Nick Nelson too and he is young. The old guys keeping up? DRC, Reggie Nelson, Hall? McDonald, Wright, Luani, Mauger, Leavitt, Hamilton, Pringle, David... all gone- right?
I wouldn't be surprised to see us cut EJ for a QB that gets cut that we may want to take a run at. He sure hasn't looked good not as Cook but I would bet Cook is given a reprieve for one more year.
dcgangstas
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Hester and Brown over Edwards? The rest even if I would disagree, I couldn't disagree too much... but this? I can't see this.LawFitz said:
LawFitz
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krsone21
Footballguy
I wouldn't be shocked if Gruden doesn't do some more wheeling and dealing closer to cut down day to turn some of the surplus at certain positions into more picks.
massraider
Footballguy
Unless they can make a trade, Eddie V goes to IR maybe come back.
Edwards needs to be nervous.
Those corners look solid to me.
Crowder vs. Victor is a convo.
I wonder if Obi would come back down the line after injury settlement.
Chris Warren might be practice squad. Which would be a good spot, he had to think his chances next year would be great.
Edwards needs to be nervous.
Those corners look solid to me.
Crowder vs. Victor is a convo.
I wonder if Obi would come back down the line after injury settlement.
Chris Warren might be practice squad. Which would be a good spot, he had to think his chances next year would be great.
BigSteelThrill
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Le'Veon Bell and what? To acquire Mack. 
massraider
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Chaka
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Stompin' Tom Connors
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I give credit to the random Redditor for this thought that kept my conspiracy-seeking brain up all night:
What if -- just what if -- the long, protracted, drawn out contract negotiation with Aaron Donald was simply a ploy to prevent Mack from signing with enough time to play Week 1...against those very same Rams.
What if -- just what if -- the long, protracted, drawn out contract negotiation with Aaron Donald was simply a ploy to prevent Mack from signing with enough time to play Week 1...against those very same Rams.
massraider
Footballguy
My buddy in Vegas got season tix, and shared this image of what his view should look like:
Pretty Cool
I'm planning on flying out a few times a year, I play the credit card points game pretty well, and should be able to catch 3 or 4 games a year for free.
Pretty Cool
I'm planning on flying out a few times a year, I play the credit card points game pretty well, and should be able to catch 3 or 4 games a year for free.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
OAK: Report: Khalil Mack 'likely' to miss games
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Broke ### Mark Davis needs to sell this team, or take out a loan to pay Mack.
Generational talents at defensive line do not come along every day. That’s why they call them “generational talent”
This is just stupid. No one on defense should have to play on a “show me“ contract after the numbers he’s put up.
Pay the man. End this stupidity.
Generational talents at defensive line do not come along every day. That’s why they call them “generational talent”
This is just stupid. No one on defense should have to play on a “show me“ contract after the numbers he’s put up.
Pay the man. End this stupidity.
LawFitz
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The Raiders would be fools to trade him now. They have all the leverage, especially now that we've seen how talented their front is even without him. Between Key, Irvin, Brown and the two mini Aaron Donalds, they'll be just fine thanks to Gruden and Guenther's actual modern defensive scheme. Mack can holdout until late season if he likes. That's when injury attrition will likely be in play and they'll need him them most anyway. No way he sits out the whole year as his contract would toll and no way he comes in out of shape or he'd lose leverage for future negotiations. Sit out as long as you like, Khalil. We'll use your millies to pay Giacomino to sit on his couch. I firmly believe this is what Gruden is thinking and I agree with him 100000000%. Zero need for panic.
LawFitz
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Belichick would NEVER pay Mack the money he's demanding. The Raiders want to make Khalil the highest paid edge player in the league. He reportely wants up to 30% above that figure. Who is the one being stupid?
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DocHolliday
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It looks even worse now that the Giants stepped up and paid the head case OBJ. The Raiders better be toying with the media and be communicating with Mack working towards a contract. This is the best draft pick and best player on the team since....well, since a long time.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree partly. Your math is right.
Your “just fine without him” is not.
Theyll be “just fine” in the sense that they can field a somewhat competent defense without him.
They will absolutely be worse without him though. He’s a QB pressuring machine. I’d say every game he’s out they have a 15% reduction in their chances of winning.
they should pay him.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I agree they should pay him a slight bump over Von Miller, to be the highest paid edge in the league. He supposedly wants 30% above that. It's B.S. man. No (non-QB) player is worth blowing up your future roster completely. Not even Mack.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Mark Davis.
The raiders front office.
i don’t care what Belichick would do. They dealt Garaopolo & kept old AF Tom Brady, so I’m not sure the Pats are a beacon of competence to point to right now.
And it’s irrelevant to whether or not the Raiders should pay arguably the best defensive lineman in the NFL - a disruptive force who terrorizes opposing QBs - and creates turnovers and points at a spectacular rate.
That’s a man you pay. To trade him or let him hold out is stupid. Mark Davis, Raiders FO & maybe even Gruden are stupid here, to answer your question. Literally anyone in the Raiders org saying “nah, we don’t need that guy. Don’t pay him” is stupid.
every team needs that guy.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Nah, they're being smart IMO. Latest rumors I've read are that Mack's agent is asking for $22-25 MM per with the entire contract fully guaranteed. If that is true Mack is not just stupid, but also selfish. Take your $20 MM per and $70+ MM guaranteed and come to work. The Raiders are taking heat b/c people seem to naturally side with players vs. big whigs when stalemates like this happen, and I get that. But they'd be fools to give in to this dude's insane demands. Especially with how the defense looks without him. Between Gruden's offense and Guenther's schemes and the kids they've added on D, they'll survive the early part of the season until Khalil is ready to report and contribute. That's sound business. They'll have him come stretch time.
The biggest worry on this team right now isn't Khalil Mack. It's a rookie LT and a bum wheel RT in a division that features the best edge rushers in the NFL + two horribly incompetent backup QBs. That's the season derailer if there is one here.
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