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19 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

Oh come on.  Cooper and Mack were wonderful pics.  The Raiders will not have another Mack in decades if ever again.  Lets just hope they can find another Cooper.  WR is another hole to fill on top of all the other holes that were already there.  Add pass-rushing DE to the big needs list as well. 

Never said Cooper and Mack were not great picks.  If it was Five on Five we'd be in GREAT shape.  But its eleven vs. eleven.  So having studs doesn't always translate into wins.  Harder to hide your weaknesses with eleven starters. Just said besides those two and a few more, McKenzie reached and/or missed on a lot of picks.  And I agree - will probably never have another Mack, but under the circumstances the cost to keep him on a bad team just doesn't make sense provided the money saved fills some holes.   

Find another Cooper? Heck - I'd rather find another Crabtree then Cooper. Which Cooper are you talking about.  The dropsy Cooper from 2017? The three game wonder Cowboys Cooper? The early 2018 Raiders "coaches won't give me the ball' Cooper? Who exactly is Cooper anyway? He's like the hot & cold three point shooter.  I can name many receivers not hot & cold and not #1 picks. - Smith-Schuster,  Robert Woods,  Diggs, Edelman, Keenan Allen.  I can also name many #1 picks who are consistent in production - Jones, Green, Hopkins, Beckham.  He's not in that class.  Can he be sure.   Media and Cowboy fans have him being the next Jerry Rice because of three great games in a row.   I even heard one announcer say Cooper already has paid the Cowboys back for the number 1 pick and anything else from here on in is gravey on top. Really.  Everyone likes to pile on Gruden and the Raiders right now because they are down and yeah, made some tough trades for fans and players alike. Hopefully making the tough moves in 2018 pays off going forward.

If not... I'll reserve some positive thoughts for the new coach and GM Ha Ha!

My biggest complaint is I miss Greg Papa.  Musburger is terrible. And Lincoln Kennedy must say 'partner' once every few minutes or so.  That's like two hundred freakin' partners a broadcast.  I just... can't... take that...

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5 hours ago, Strider said:

Never said Cooper and Mack were not great picks.  If it was Five on Five we'd be in GREAT shape.  But its eleven vs. eleven.  So having studs doesn't always translate into wins.  Harder to hide your weaknesses with eleven starters. Just said besides those two and a few more, McKenzie reached and/or missed on a lot of picks.  And I agree - will probably never have another Mack, but under the circumstances the cost to keep him on a bad team just doesn't make sense provided the money saved fills some holes.   

Find another Cooper? Heck - I'd rather find another Crabtree then Cooper. Which Cooper are you talking about.  The dropsy Cooper from 2017? The three game wonder Cowboys Cooper? The early 2018 Raiders "coaches won't give me the ball' Cooper? Who exactly is Cooper anyway? He's like the hot & cold three point shooter.  I can name many receivers not hot & cold and not #1 picks. - Smith-Schuster,  Robert Woods,  Diggs, Edelman, Keenan Allen.  I can also name many #1 picks who are consistent in production - Jones, Green, Hopkins, Beckham.  He's not in that class.  Can he be sure.   Media and Cowboy fans have him being the next Jerry Rice because of three great games in a row.   I even heard one announcer say Cooper already has paid the Cowboys back for the number 1 pick and anything else from here on in is gravey on top. Really.  Everyone likes to pile on Gruden and the Raiders right now because they are down and yeah, made some tough trades for fans and players alike. Hopefully making the tough moves in 2018 pays off going forward.

If not... I'll reserve some positive thoughts for the new coach and GM Ha Ha!

My biggest complaint is I miss Greg Papa.  Musburger is terrible. And Lincoln Kennedy must say 'partner' once every few minutes or so.  That's like two hundred freakin' partners a broadcast.  I just... can't... take that...

I like this Strider guy.  Welcome aboard.

 

For the record, though, I'm trying to become a FORMER Raiders fan, so please don't drop too much logic and hope on us, otherwise I might change my mind and sign up for another decade of torture.

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12 hours ago, Strider said:

Never said Cooper and Mack were not great picks.  If it was Five on Five we'd be in GREAT shape.  But its eleven vs. eleven.  So having studs doesn't always translate into wins.  Harder to hide your weaknesses with eleven starters. Just said besides those two and a few more, McKenzie reached and/or missed on a lot of picks.  And I agree - will probably never have another Mack, but under the circumstances the cost to keep him on a bad team just doesn't make sense provided the money saved fills some holes.   

Find another Cooper? Heck - I'd rather find another Crabtree then Cooper. Which Cooper are you talking about.  The dropsy Cooper from 2017? The three game wonder Cowboys Cooper? The early 2018 Raiders "coaches won't give me the ball' Cooper? Who exactly is Cooper anyway? He's like the hot & cold three point shooter.  I can name many receivers not hot & cold and not #1 picks. - Smith-Schuster,  Robert Woods,  Diggs, Edelman, Keenan Allen.  I can also name many #1 picks who are consistent in production - Jones, Green, Hopkins, Beckham.  He's not in that class.  Can he be sure.   Media and Cowboy fans have him being the next Jerry Rice because of three great games in a row.   I even heard one announcer say Cooper already has paid the Cowboys back for the number 1 pick and anything else from here on in is gravey on top. Really.  Everyone likes to pile on Gruden and the Raiders right now because they are down and yeah, made some tough trades for fans and players alike. Hopefully making the tough moves in 2018 pays off going forward.

If not... I'll reserve some positive thoughts for the new coach and GM Ha Ha!

My biggest complaint is I miss Greg Papa.  Musburger is terrible. And Lincoln Kennedy must say 'partner' once every few minutes or so.  That's like two hundred freakin' partners a broadcast.  I just... can't... take that...

Cooper has had two amazing games out of the last three. Two stellar, phenomenal games. 

He has been, at the very least been good in 5 of 6 games since joining the Cowboys mid season. One down game, and he joined the team in week 8.

I have no problem suggesting JDR and his staff were not very good at scheming or simply recognizing they may have had a better talent than they could utilize.

So where I land right now is Gruden is not as good as JDR or Garrett.

Think about that.

 

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18 hours ago, Chaka said:

Cooper has had two amazing games out of the last three. Two stellar, phenomenal games. 

He has been, at the very least been good in 5 of 6 games since joining the Cowboys mid season. One down game, and he joined the team in week 8.

I have no problem suggesting JDR and his staff were not very good at scheming or simply recognizing they may have had a better talent than they could utilize.

So where I land right now is Gruden is not as good as JDR or Garrett.

Think about that.

 

As good a place as any to check back in.

* First, pumped about the Pittsburgh win and battling the Chiefs the entire game. Far from tanking, I'd say most of the team has little quit in them. Credit Gruden for that.

* On the other hand, Gruden comes off looking like a fool in the whole McKenzie mess. Nobody's buying it, Jon. Shoulda just said, "I want to build the team my way and there's no room for Reggie in the equation. We thank him for his efforts. Would that have been so hard?.

* And on Chaka's point above, Gruden said in the summer that Cooper was going to be the "centerpiece" of the offense. Yeah, right. At least JDR did a few things to get him going when he was in a funk (particularly I remember putting him in motion a lot--something I didn't see this year). Instead it's been "we had him open a few times but we chose not to go to him" for a number of weeks. Yech.

I think Gruden can still get guys to play for him (at least for awhile; seems like his is the type of act that would wear thin after a few seasons) but can he evaluate accurately and get the right guys in a Las Vegas, er, Oakland uniform? (I'm trying to block out his Tampa Bay drafts and his evaluations of Peterman and Connor Cook--yikes!!) He's got five golden opportunities to find the right players and will have a bunch of other opportunities besides. If he doesn't he has no one to blame but  himself.

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Heh, heh, gotta love Gruden sticking it to windbag Stephen A Smith in presser before flight to Cincy. Did a great job keeping pretty much a straight face. 😶 Only thing that woulda made that better is if he called all the other coaches in the league and had them do the same thing. Boobie Clark and Isaac Curtis? Right in my wheelhouse.

For those who haven't seen, comes up at about 2:00 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJZg2twy4e4

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Baltimore Ravens

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Welcome to the team, Darren Waller. 😀 Seems like he's learned some life lessons.

https://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/TE-Darren-Waller-impresses-in-Raiders-loss-13470659.php

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On 12/12/2018 at 1:15 PM, Strider said:

He's pumped and playing with a chip on his shoulder.   Give him time to get settled and sign his brand new, expensive contract.  Four or five games don't make a hall of famer.  Give him time time to get settled.

That is as good of an explanation as I can think of. 

You can't blame a particular coach or system because drops have been a consistent issue for him from day 1 with the Raiders. I think he got jolted into getting his head into the game with the trade. His remarks have shown that it was somewhat traumatic for him but resulting in a good wake up for him. 

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I've been a Gruden defender all along, but signing Peterman is just embarrassing.  As Raider fans we take enough crap already, we don't need things like this making it easier to pile on.

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4 hours ago, ICON211 said:

I've been a Gruden defender all along, but signing Peterman is just embarrassing.  As Raider fans we take enough crap already, we don't need things like this making it easier to pile on.

I enjoyed the angle that Peterman was going to be the scout QB and Gruden's angle is that the interceptions in practice will be a nice confidence boost for the secondary! 

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Just now, kaso said:

I enjoyed the angle that Peterman was going to be the scout QB and Gruden's angle is that the interceptions in practice will be a nice confidence boost for the secondary! 

You are implying that the secondary can pick off Peterman.  

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5 hours ago, kaso said:

I enjoyed the angle that Peterman was going to be the scout QB and Gruden's angle is that the interceptions in practice will be a nice confidence boost for the secondary! 

he didn't really say that thing about the interceptions, did he?!

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What a bunch of fools over in Buffalo letting an asset like Peterman go. Do they even Gruden QB camp?

It's almost not fair if teams are just going to fill our roster like this. Kind of sucks though as we're going to have one hell of a QB controversy between Mccarron and Peterman. But I guess these are good problems to have and common when you have a roster that oozes talent like ours

 

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1 hour ago, joey said:

he didn't really say that thing about the interceptions, did he?!

If he did it would be the best thing ever.

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15 hours ago, joey said:

he didn't really say that thing about the interceptions, did he?!

No.  It wasn't an angle that Gruden shared for a reasoning of signing him. 

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2 hours ago, kaso said:

No.  It wasn't an angle that Gruden shared for a reasoning of signing him. 

phew. this season has been crazy enough, and Gruden has been disappointing enough, that I thought it might actually be true.

 

ok. back to trying to ignore the Raiders since they bring me nothing but sadness (but, yes, the TiVo is still set to record the Monday night game. I just can't quit you....)

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The Raiders are reportedly in talks with the Giants about using AT&T park next season. Good to hear I was afraid we wouldn't have a dirt infield to play on next season crisis averted. 

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1 hour ago, krsone21 said:

The Raiders are reportedly in talks with the Giants about using AT&T park next season. Good to hear I was afraid we wouldn't have a dirt infield to play on next season crisis averted. 

Embarrassment piled on top of embarrassment. 

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27 minutes ago, FreshiZ said:

Can we just take next season off?

Isn’t that basically what they did this season? 

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My season comes down to what the Raiders do tonight.  That was a fun statement to type out.  Really hoping to see the young guys get some run tonight. 

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I have Denver D going against the Raiders tonight and I’m down by 7.5. 

Even better, my opponent is a big Broncos fan. So I can win my league and beat a Broncos fan by his beloved Broncos defense doing well against the hated Raiders. Looking for any silver lining I can this year :) 

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If this is the Raiders last game in Oak... I’m sad. And I hope they win it. So much of the NFL is about tradition and the home bases, Oakland has been among the best all time.

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I like the fight of the Raiders over the past month. I can almost convince myself to be a little optimistic about next year. Someone straightening me out, please. 

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4 hours ago, joey said:

I like the fight of the Raiders over the past month. I can almost convince myself to be a little optimistic about next year. Someone straightening me out, please. 

Jon Gruden, Jon Gruden, Jon Gruden

😛 

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5 hours ago, joey said:

I like the fight of the Raiders over the past month. I can almost convince myself to be a little optimistic about next year. Someone straightening me out, please. 

Their last three games were against teams who will (or should be) looking for new Head Coaches next season.  All 4 of their wins have come against lame duck HCs. 

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8 hours ago, msommer said:

Jon Gruden, Jon Gruden, Jon Gruden

😛 

 

6 hours ago, Max Power said:

Their last three games were against teams who will (or should be) looking for new Head Coaches next season.  All 4 of their wins have come against lame duck HCs. 

Ok. Thanks fellas. Feel better (worse?) now. 

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16 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

Raiders better not do anything stupid and find a way to win.  

Screw this kind of thinking.  Perhaps the last game in Oakland, against the Broncos, and you can stomach losing that game?  GTFO with that mess.  I don't give one flying #### about draft position, there's no way I want to remember the donkeys getting the last win in the stadium we have called home, especially against a bad team with a horrible coach and below average QB.  Win the game and deal with draft position later.

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15 hours ago, Garrett said:

That was a proper send-off.

There is a good chance that they play another year in Oakland. The Raiders only withdrew their lease offer because they are trying to pressure the city of Oakland to drop its lawsuit (which is seeking to stop the move to Las Vegas). This is all just a negotiating tactic -- and a bad one that that.

They can't go to Vegas yet. They're not going to play a year in San Diego or Los Angeles (although I do think it would be hilarious if they played in L.A. for a year and out-drew both the Rams and the Chargers). They could potentially lease San Francisco's stadium, but I suspect that the 49ers will want too much money, which will make the city of Oakland's rate of $7.5 million suddenly seem much more attractive.

Personally, I think the city of Oakland should call the Raiders' bluff and tell the team to eff off. Make them scramble for a venue so that they end up playing at a community college somewhere.

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6 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Screw this kind of thinking.  Perhaps the last game in Oakland, against the Broncos, and you can stomach losing that game?  GTFO with that mess.  I don't give one flying #### about draft position, there's no way I want to remember the donkeys getting the last win in the stadium we have called home, especially against a bad team with a horrible coach and below average QB.  Win the game and deal with draft position later.

Yippee!   My team won 4 games this season.   Sorry for thinking ahead and trying to get the best players possible so our Raiders actually win a playoff game some year.   I don't give a crap about this season.  This team needs a new start.  2020 can't come fast enough.   

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38 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

Yippee!   My team won 4 games this season.   Sorry for thinking ahead and trying to get the best players possible so our Raiders actually win a playoff game some year.   I don't give a crap about this season.  This team needs a new start.  2020 can't come fast enough.   

I have been as down on the Raiders as anyone this year but throwing in the towel on 2019 seems a tad premature. There has been at least one worst-to-first team in 15 of the last 16 seasons. This year there are two (Bears & Texans). So how about a little more can-do in your attitude friend?

I'm also okay with winning against the Broncos for their last game ever in Oakland....hell I could probably find contentment with 6-10 every single year so long as those six were against Broncos, Chargers and Chiefs.

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I'm okay with beating the Broncos and losing Bosa as a result.

I'm (still) not okay with trading a generational talent for a late first round pick, plus a trade up of spots from an early 2nd to a late 1st in two years. Phillip Buchanon and Tyler Brayton. Chucky should've known better. ####### Raiders.

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16 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

I'm okay with beating the Broncos and losing Bosa as a result.

I'm (still) not okay with trading a generational talent for a late first round pick, plus a trade up of spots from an early 2nd to a late 1st in two years. Phillip Buchanon and Tyler Brayton. Chucky should've known better. ####### Raiders.

Would rather have Bosa than beat the Broncos this year but I think the Cardinals are so bad that we wouldn’t have "won" the first overall pick anyway, so, with that in mind, I’m glad we embarrassed the effin Broncos. 

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On ‎12‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 8:49 PM, Chaka said:

I have been as down on the Raiders as anyone this year but throwing in the towel on 2019 seems a tad premature. There has been at least one worst-to-first team in 15 of the last 16 seasons. This year there are two (Bears & Texans). So how about a little more can-do in your attitude friend?

I'm also okay with winning against the Broncos for their last game ever in Oakland....hell I could probably find contentment with 6-10 every single year so long as those six were against Broncos, Chargers and Chiefs.

Wow.  I cant believe you are settling for our team to be losers.  If we all keep our expectations that low, the Raiders will always have fans.  Call me crazy but I am not content with six wins/season.  I know a SB appearance is unlikely since there are so many other more talented and better managed teams but I want to see the Raiders win a playoff game some day again. 

Funny, that you mentioned the Bears.  They fleeced some other team to really bolster their D.  Wonder if the Raiders could be at the other end of the fleecing soon to help us go from worst-to-first! 

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Stupid mistakes and turnovers, pretty much sums up the season in one half.

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Looks like 4th overall pick for us. And no better than the 25th and 28th picks according one article I just read. The raiders better take BPA ably every damn pick in the first 3 rounds this year  we have so many holes to fill 

 

Not many glimmers of hope this season either. 

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1 hour ago, joey said:

Looks like 4th overall pick for us. And no better than the 25th and 28th picks according one article I just read. The raiders better take BPA ably every damn pick in the first 3 rounds this year  we have so many holes to fill 

 

Not many glimmers of hope this season either. 

Just be glad the embarrassing season is over.   We get to watch Cooper and Nack in the playoffs now.   Just how good did those trades work out for the Bears and Cowboys?   Giving away Mack will sting for years and the media is going to remind us all of that blunder for many seasons.   

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Sounds like Mike Mayock will be the next GM. Always have found him entertaining though I thought recently he had become similar to other guys in just repeating and ranking similar to what whispers he was hearing from front offices around the league. 

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2 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Mayock is going to be an easy one to take shots at.  Good luck Raiders Fans

Gruden will take the brunt of that. As Gruden goes so will Mayock. If you’re a guy who has never worked in a front office before I think this may be ideal for him to have some deflecting with the HC in place that has control over personnel decisions. Not saying it’s a good hire but it’s at least a space where if they blow some of these draft picks he’s not 100% on the hook.

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13 minutes ago, Iceman03 said:

Gruden will take the brunt of that. As Gruden goes so will Mayock. If you’re a guy who has never worked in a front office before I think this may be ideal for him to have some deflecting with the HC in place that has control over personnel decisions. Not saying it’s a good hire but it’s at least a space where if they blow some of these draft picks he’s not 100% on the hook.

Depending on whether Gruden actually listens player acquisition probably wont be an issue, especially when mining the bottom of the barrel. Contracts, free agents, and self assessment? That's where the problems will happen. Gruden doesnt have a clue and expecting Mayock to would be crazy. 

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This is the type of goofy thing the Raiders would do. There's a huge difference between talking to a whole bunch of people and then pretending that the work is yours and actually evaluating talent and figuring out contracts on your own.

Mayok is a talking head IMO, not a guy who can do this on his own.

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19 minutes ago, GroveDiesel said:

This is the type of goofy thing the Raiders would do. There's a huge difference between talking to a whole bunch of people and then pretending that the work is yours and actually evaluating talent and figuring out contracts on your own.

Mayok is a talking head IMO, not a guy who can do this on his own.

A general manager is not a scout or even a director of scouting.  They are a person who must remain well connected and know which research or input on players is trustworthy; then filter through all that input from scouts and weigh it all accordingly to make decisions.  I think Mayock is pretty well equipped to at least take a shot at that role.

Every NFL team has cap experts and that is 100% of their job.  As far as we know, those folks are still in the building for the Raiders despite Reggie's absence.

All of Mayock's opinions have, by the nature of his role, been very public; so it's pretty easy to go back and cherry pick the very good calls and very bad ones that would stand out since it's all out there for years to come.  I suspect you would see much of the same from any successful NFL GM if their private draft notes were public record.

What I do like about this hire, is that I don't see Mayock as just another Gruden underling.  We all know Greg Olsen is not a true NFL OC, at least in the traditional sense of the role.

 

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