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RB Damien Harris, BUF (2 Viewers)
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
just giving Tanner a taste of his own medicine.
However, I do think Harris is the rb to own more than Michel
https://sports.yahoo.com/every-damien-harris-touch-preseason-022726704.html?src=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=theurbannewz
He’s Nick Chubb without the top end speed. I want to see his yards after contact numbers from this one. Also good hands shown.
He’s Nick Chubb without the top end speed. I want to see his yards after contact numbers from this one. Also good hands shown.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Sure but there was no Sony Michel at the time. I don't know what to make of this backfield.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
neither do I. All i've literally said was he looked really good last night.
no more. no less
santo71
Footballguy
I watched this game just now. Well, the first half of it anyway, and my takeaway is that yes, Harris looked pretty good hitting the holes and grinding out the yards. However, the real takeaway was how well the Oline blocked and disguised the run /pass plays that ultimately left the holes open for Harris to hit at full speed. They looked the part of road graders and Wynn specifically looked awesome. He had some great blocks, but that one that allowed Bolden to score was sick.
In any case, Harris looks like he has the blount role locked up. He most definitely does not look like a feature back to me.
In any case, Harris looks like he has the blount role locked up. He most definitely does not look like a feature back to me.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
no work with the 1s, all preseson.
glowing reports coming from Pats camp regarding Sony Michel, he looks terrific
Less pass, more run , as a whole, for the Pats offense in 2019.
Harris won't sniff 400 yards rushing. it's the Sony Michel show.
as per usual Dr Dan is wrong, just like nearly everything else he speaks about. Watch Harris arrive on the back of milk cartons come sept 8th.
glowing reports coming from Pats camp regarding Sony Michel, he looks terrific
Less pass, more run , as a whole, for the Pats offense in 2019.
Harris won't sniff 400 yards rushing. it's the Sony Michel show.
as per usual Dr Dan is wrong, just like nearly everything else he speaks about. Watch Harris arrive on the back of milk cartons come sept 8th.
Pipes
Footballguy
This may be true but where is he going to be Nov 8th? Dec 8th?. With how BB is with RB at some point Harris is going to get his shot unfortunately it's hard to predict with how BB treats his backs. I love Michel's talent but do you honestly think he can hold up the entire season being the main back?
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
If I'm drafting him it's moreso because of Michel's potential knee problems.
jm192
Footballguy
Everything I can find online suggest Michel is fine.
Michel got 10 carries in I'm guessing what was 1/2 a game. If they're willing to give him 10 touches in the pre-season, I'm guessing they feel pretty good about his knee at this point. Harris is a really nice insurance policy and may get a handful of touches here and there. I'm not opposed to getting him on the cheap in case the knee starts acting up.
Michel got 10 carries in I'm guessing what was 1/2 a game. If they're willing to give him 10 touches in the pre-season, I'm guessing they feel pretty good about his knee at this point. Harris is a really nice insurance policy and may get a handful of touches here and there. I'm not opposed to getting him on the cheap in case the knee starts acting up.
tombonneau
Footballguy
I feel this board suffers from SNT Syndrome with Harris. Burkhead is clearly still the #2 back in NE. Harris is a decent dynasty prospect, but even if Michel is hurt Harris is no lotto ticket IMO. As posted, very telling that he didn't sniff the field with Brady behind center. Heck, depending on his ST involvement, he could even be a game day inactive more often than not.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I read an article about the Demaryius Thomas cut and potential resigning that he Patriots were going to bring him back and put Harry or Harris on IR. Harry ended up getting the designation but that had me concerned about Harris's health? Thought he was back at practice and ok, but who knows with the Patriots. Any news on his injury?
Just dropped him for Darwin Thompson. I'm thinking @tombonneau was correct a few posts up when he said "even if Michel is hurt Harris is no lotto ticket IMO". Burkhead isn't going away, and Michel hasn't exactly been lights out anyway.
Gandalf
Footballguy
Yes. Nothing has changed in my eyes. Michel’s knee will give out at some point and then Harris will get a chance. Pats are smart to save him for later in the year too.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Would have loved to, but bench spots weren't deep enough. Chose to keep Darwin Thompson. Michel may get dinged, but White is still their passing down back, and Burkhead is still looming. Easier road to production for Darwin IMO.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Yup still stand by this assessment. If Michel misses time it's a three way rbbc where I'd rank assets as
Burkhead
White
Harris
And those thinking BB is saving Harros I have to disagree. Pats could be on cusp of historic season and can't imagine part of BB's master plan is to start trusting a fresh rookie back in November.
Truebluey
Footballguy
I made exactly the same decision. I dropped Harris for McClaurin. Dodn't really need a 5th WR, but he looks too good, and may have trade value soon. Which Harris has zero of.
Don Hutson
Footballguy
I'm sticking with Damien. With Belichick, anything could happen. Michel has as high of an injury risk as any running back in the league besides Breida. Damien might be talented enough that he runs away with the job if Michel is hurt. And Harris is supposed to have great receiving skills which means he has elite fantasy running back potential if he became lead back. Burkhead isn't real competition. Burkhead is a good role player. He isn't a lead back. Belichick could give Burkhead or Bolden lead back duties for a game or two as a gesture of good will but then the job would likely be Damien's.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't call 52 receptions for 400 yards and 2 TDs in four years great receiving skills.
Elevencents
Footballguy
Come on Bill, let’s see what this kid can do. He has to be better than Bolden.
Nucker101
Footballguy
Bolden is a regular on the Pats special teams though, has been for awhile actually. I've stashed Harris in a couple of leagues, but I don't think it's going to be justifiable holding him once bye weeks/injuries ramp up. It's not like his upside is even super high either since even if he takes over for one of Michel or Burkhead, it's going to be a 3-headed RBBC with James White. I'd argue that you're better off just picking up R.Armstead or Ty Johnson as lottery tickets in case Kerryon or Fournette go down since those guys would seemingly step into lead back roles.
I'd disagree. If Harris gets Michel's role, that is a recipe for high-end RB2 value. Michel should be a top-10 RB right now, if not for his own awful play. He gets tons of GL carries, and salt away game carries, and he's been maybe the least efficient RB in football at it. If Harris is even league average, he's an every week starter. If he were to show well, I don't think its unrealistic that it could become a 2-man backfield with Harris and White. Obviously, that is a best case scenario, but its on the table the way Michel is playing, let alone if there is an injury.
I don't think Ty Johnson would be an every down RB if Kerryon went down. JD McKissic is pretty much even with Johnson now, and would likely see at least passing down work. I agree with Armstead though.
Don Hutson
Footballguy
If he surpasses Michel on the depth chart, Harris could possibly get all of the non-White snaps. Harris might also get some receptions. If he does get 60% of snaps, he has the potential to be the best Patriots' fantasy back in a long time. If he doesn't surpass Michel, he is cuttable during bye weeks without reservation.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
MrSoup
Footballguy
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This dude literally has ZERO carries, and you're not only saying he can get carries, but catches too.
Under no circumstances will this guy be in on passing downs protecting Tom Brady.
Don Hutson
Footballguy
He came into the league with pass protection as a plus. If you think he lacks at pass protection, then please expound.
MrSoup
Footballguy
I have seen nothing to prove this man can pass protect in the NFL for the greatest QB of all time. Perhaps you should expound.
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Tanner9919
Footballguy
nah, you trade for White now, while you still have a chance to get him fairly cheap. Burkhead's about to blow a knee brushing his teeth, Michel is lousy. Harris might have a cameo or two this season, a bit role , but he's not going to be the savior RB for the Pats - that man would be James White. probably starts tomorrow as they shift from Michel to competent, trusted performances from White.
Don Hutson
Footballguy
Have you seen anything that says he cannot pass protect? He came into the league with pass protection as a plus. I have no idea. If you disagree, please expound.
MrSoup
Footballguy
Sources?
And no, I haven't seen anything yet, and that's kind of the problem here buddy.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I posted this in the Michel thread. People are pointing to how poorly Michel has done this year but consider:
Last year, NE had a healthy, oversized, and athletic OL. This year they have had to pick guys off the street to get through a bunch of injuries.
Last year, the Pats had Gronk and Allen at TE as top tier run blockers. This year the TE’s on their roster have been banged up and can’t block. LaCosse is rated 76th out of 76 TE’s in blocking. Thirty eight year old Watson was suspended and was expected back this week but was not activated.
Fullback Develin was their lead blocker for Michel last year and he is on IR now. Bottom line, when Michel excelled last year, he had 8 healthy guys blocking for him. This year he doesn’t have anything close to that.
IMO, the Patriots running game is going to struggle all season and it won’t make any difference who the running back with the ball is. They will use their backs in the passing game, but none of them is going to do a ton running the football. The offense may produce some goal line carries, but there have been a lot less of those this year than in previous years.
Last year, NE had a healthy, oversized, and athletic OL. This year they have had to pick guys off the street to get through a bunch of injuries.
Last year, the Pats had Gronk and Allen at TE as top tier run blockers. This year the TE’s on their roster have been banged up and can’t block. LaCosse is rated 76th out of 76 TE’s in blocking. Thirty eight year old Watson was suspended and was expected back this week but was not activated.
Fullback Develin was their lead blocker for Michel last year and he is on IR now. Bottom line, when Michel excelled last year, he had 8 healthy guys blocking for him. This year he doesn’t have anything close to that.
IMO, the Patriots running game is going to struggle all season and it won’t make any difference who the running back with the ball is. They will use their backs in the passing game, but none of them is going to do a ton running the football. The offense may produce some goal line carries, but there have been a lot less of those this year than in previous years.
Gandalf
Footballguy
All that is true. And at the same time, Michel looks like a completely different guy than he was in college. I would imagine that this is not what the Pats thought they were getting when they spent a first rounder on him. I think his knee issues are affecting him more than the Pats are letting on and James White is elite in terms of RB pass catching skills so Michel is not catching passes.
