Dynasty & Redraft: WR Christian Kirk, Cardinals

[kutta 3,648]

He's in for me - Got hit HARD with byes and injuries this week, so here we go!

I'll be at the game so I'll throw some good vibes his way.

[Dr. Dan 3,120]

3 hours ago, Dizzy said:

The evaluation of ARZ #1 WR vs HOU #3 WR (maybe #2 WR) needs to take the QB play into account though.

Would you rather have 5% of a million dollars or 50% of a thousand?

QB play for sure is taken into account. I have much more faith in Rosen than Watson 

[Dr. Dan 3,120]

starting over coutee. bye week for Lockett and juju. heres hoping hes a target hog

[flapgreen 4,804]

Starting with confidence 

[C-Bound 207]

wtf is a Chad Williams...Kirk not listed as a starter in that graphic...

[tkrull 291]

1 hour ago, flapgreen said:

Starting with confidence 

Oh no...

[Faust 2,563]

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Christian Kirk caught 3-of-6 targets for 57 yards in the Cardinals' Week 7 loss to the Broncos.

Both Josh Rosen and OC Mike McCoy seemed to lose track of Kirk for long stretches of time. He still ended up clearing 50 yards for the third-straight game, and fourth in five. Producing ahead of Larry Fitzgerald for most of the season, Kirk's WR4 appeal for Week 8 will be enhanced if the Cardinals fire McCoy, as is looking likely.

Oct 19 - 12:21 AM

 

[Dizzy 482]

15 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

QB play for sure is taken into account. I have much more faith in Rosen than Watson 

I have to assume this was more of a long term comment? Rosen doesn't look "NFL ready" to me.

Those early timeouts and delay of game issues... what could possibly be going on there? Is McCoy tossing out previously-scripted plays because he doesn't think the offense can execute?

Shocker for me is paying Sam Bradford $15 million guaranteed dollars to stand on the sidelines in street clothes. $5 million more if they allow him to wear a helmet? How does that decision get made.

ARZ a total mess for 2018.

[Dr. Dan 3,120]

1 hour ago, Dizzy said:

I have to assume this was more of a long term comment? Rosen doesn't look "NFL ready" to me.

Those early timeouts and delay of game issues... what could possibly be going on there? Is McCoy tossing out previously-scripted plays because he doesn't think the offense can execute?

Shocker for me is paying Sam Bradford $15 million guaranteed dollars to stand on the sidelines in street clothes. $5 million more if they allow him to wear a helmet? How does that decision get made.

ARZ a total mess for 2018.

Rosen on 10/18/18 isn't ready, sure. Rosen has looked much better the other games he has started. He is possibly the most intelligent QB out of this class. His potential is very high. His struggles last night were largely not his own fault. 

Watson 2018 is a mess as well

Give me the guy with way more upside 

[kutta 3,648]

Well that was a disaster. 

[Dr. Dan 3,120]

27 minutes ago, kutta said:

Well that was a disaster. 

Possibly. I almost got 10 points out of him. Considering byes I'm not too upset about that. Garbage time helped a lot. 

[flapgreen 4,804]

Eh I'll take that at flex for one week. 

[Dizzy 482]

I love the optimism... lotta love for WR #3 on a team averaging a little over 150 yds/game passing.

I would have expected more inflated numbers after 45 minutes of garbage time.

[kutta 3,648]

20 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

I love the optimism... lotta love for WR #3 on a team averaging a little over 150 yds/game passing.

I would have expected more inflated numbers after 45 minutes of garbage time.

Who do you think are WR 1 and 2 on the Cards?

[Dizzy 482]

1 hour ago, kutta said:

Who do you think are WR 1 and 2 on the Cards?

Fitz and Chad started... both had more targets... maybe future Kirk is awesome, but ARZ is burning to the ground in 2018.

Dynasty Kirk = maybe/yes, redraft Kirk = cutbait

[kutta 3,648]

17 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

Fitz and Chad started... both had more targets... maybe future Kirk is awesome, but ARZ is burning to the ground in 2018.

Dynasty Kirk = maybe/yes, redraft Kirk = cutbait

Kirk is well ahead of Chad Williams and Kirk is quickly becoming the Cards WR1. Because Williams had more targets in one or two games doesn’t mean he’s ahead of Kirk.

Do you really think Williams outscores Kirk the rest of this year?

[Dizzy 482]

2 minutes ago, kutta said:

Kirk is well ahead of Chad Williams and Kirk is quickly becoming the Cards WR1. Because Williams had more targets in one or two games doesn’t mean he’s ahead of Kirk.

Do you really think Williams outscores Kirk the rest of this year?

It may not matter.

Cards avg 157 yds/game. What is their #1 WR's share of that... 40%... 30%... less?

I think Fitz needs to be out of the picture before anyone else flourishes at WR on that team.

[kutta 3,648]

3 minutes ago, Dizzy said:

It may not matter.

Cards avg 157 yds/game. What is their #1 WR's share of that... 40%... 30%... less?

I think Fitz needs to be out of the picture before anyone else flourishes at WR on that team.

I agree. The team is a dumpster fire.

[Stuart Ullman 839]

1 hour ago, Dizzy said:

It may not matter.

Cards avg 157 yds/game. What is their #1 WR's share of that... 40%... 30%... less?

I think Fitz needs to be out of the picture before anyone else flourishes at WR on that team.

I don't think Fitzgerald is the problem. He sticks around in the slot and does his job.

It's the offensive line that is horrific.

[Slider 516]

Kirk will blow up next year. Probably not the train wreck that is this year, but the talent is clearly there.

[Biabreakable 3,683]

After 7 games the Cardinals are averaging 52.6 offensive plays per game which is bottom five in the league at this point. 

The good news is the Cardinals had 66 offensive plays in a losing effort against the Broncos, who do have a good defense, especially against the pass and they had 58 offensive plays against the Vikings the week before, another good defense.

So if this trend continues, the opportunities for Cardinals players may be increasing towards average now, with the main difference being Josh Rosen can actually make some plays.

He is a rookie of course and making rookie mistakes. The throw to Chad Williams is one that comes to mind. He threw the ball too far to the outside. Now this is the smart thing to do, but in that situation a more experienced QB will give the receiver a better chance to catch the ball, even with some additional risk of turnover. It was on the last drive of the half. There are tons of little things like this that Rosen will learn from and improve on as he gains experience.

Who starts doesn't matter too much because the Cardinals have been using 3 WR on most of their plays. 

Total snaps

Larry Fitzgerald 333 (87%)

Chad Williams 303 (79%)

Christian Kirk 283 (74%)

Ricky Seals-Jones 276 (72%)

 

Over the last two games

Christian Kirk 79.3% and 78.8% 

Chad Williams 67.2% and 68.2%

 

Williams had been getting 80% of the snaps up until the last two games, where it does seem that Kirk has surpassed him in playing time.

[Avery 225]

4 hours ago, Biabreakable said:

After 7 games the Cardinals are averaging 52.6 offensive plays per game which is bottom five in the league at this point. 

The good news is the Cardinals had 66 offensive plays in a losing effort against the Broncos, who do have a good defense, especially against the pass and they had 58 offensive plays against the Vikings the week before, another good defense.

So if this trend continues, the opportunities for Cardinals players may be increasing towards average now, with the main difference being Josh Rosen can actually make some plays.

He is a rookie of course and making rookie mistakes. The throw to Chad Williams is one that comes to mind. He threw the ball too far to the outside. Now this is the smart thing to do, but in that situation a more experienced QB will give the receiver a better chance to catch the ball, even with some additional risk of turnover. It was on the last drive of the half. There are tons of little things like this that Rosen will learn from and improve on as he gains experience.

Who starts doesn't matter too much because the Cardinals have been using 3 WR on most of their plays. 

Total snaps

Larry Fitzgerald 333 (87%)

Chad Williams 303 (79%)

Christian Kirk 283 (74%)

Ricky Seals-Jones 276 (72%)

 

Over the last two games

Christian Kirk 79.3% and 78.8% 

Chad Williams 67.2% and 68.2%

 

Williams had been getting 80% of the snaps up until the last two games, where it does seem that Kirk has surpassed him in playing time.

Considering the change in OC, I'm not sure we can look at previous snap percentage as an indicator of future snap percentage.

[cloppbeast 486]

6 minutes ago, Avery said:

Considering the change in OC, I'm not sure we can look at previous snap percentage as an indicator of future snap percentage.

Yeah but the new oc is byron leftwhich. This cardinals team is a disaster. 

Edited October 21, 2018 by cloppbeast

[Avery 225]

2 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Yeah but the new oc is byron leftwhich. This cardinals team is a disaster. 

Bruce Ariens apparently thinks highly of Leftwich, FWIW. For the rest of us, he's an unknown entity.  Can't be any worse than what we've seen so far.  Personally, I'd give the offensive a bump up.

[cloppbeast 486]

3 minutes ago, Avery said:

Bruce Ariens apparently thinks highly of Leftwich, FWIW. For the rest of us, he's an unknown entity.  Can't be any worse than what we've seen so far.  Personally, I'd give the offensive a bump up.

Fair enough. 

I haven't seen much of Kirk, but from that I'm more worried about lack of separation than the state of the offense. 

[Biabreakable 3,683]

12 hours ago, Avery said:

Considering the change in OC, I'm not sure we can look at previous snap percentage as an indicator of future snap percentage.

Ah good point. I hadn't considered the OC change. I was more looking at how the offense has performed with Rosen which is the biggest change.

In any case, Kirk has been playing more snaps than Williams the last two games.

[Boone22 208]

How does Leftwich impact Kirk going forward?  Any chance he loses targets to Fitz and DJ?

[mnmplayer 445]

DOn't know much about him as an oc, but they could try to establish the run more, although he was a QB so that might not happen either.

[kutta 3,648]

He has said he’s going to run similar stuff to what Arians did, especially regarding DJ. My opinion is that this will help Kirk. It can’t get any worse, and if the offense can stay on the field a bit more, everyone’s chances will increase.

Edited October 26, 2018 by kutta

[-X- 265]

Love Kirk, picked him up for a week and then threw him back into the pond.  Not prolific enough to rely on just yet.

Dynasty: yes; re-draft: no, not until he shows more.  Will be monitoring to see how Lefty utilizes him.

[flapgreen 4,804]

1 hour ago, kutta said:

He has said he’s going to run similar stuff to what Ariana did, especially regarding DJ. My opinion is that this will help Kirk. It can’t get any worse, and if the offense can stay on the field a bit more, everyone’s chances will increase.

The only way I would watch this team is if Ariana was running it. 

[LionOfGosforth 175]

5 minutes ago, flapgreen said:

The only way I would watch this team is if Ariana was running it. 

Grande? Not sure NFL play-calling is her bag

Edited October 26, 2018 by LionOfGosforth

[flapgreen 4,804]

Just now, LionOfGosforth said:

Grande? Not sure NFL play-calling is her bag

Just stand on the sidelines doing nothing would be fine. 

[nittanylion 574]

Running train?

[Faust 2,563]

Too small, too slow: Christian Kirk motivated by the pre-draft haters

[-X- 265]

Wow.  Two catches for 8 yards, eh?

[The Frankman 1,407]

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Cardinals placed WR Christian Kirk on injured reserve with a broken foot, ending his season.

It's a brutal loss for a dispiriting Cardinals team, as rookie Kirk has been their most consistent playmaker. His absence for the season's final four games is going to make life even more difficult for struggling first-year signal caller Josh Rosen. Going forward, foot injuries are some of the most prone to setbacks, so hopefully Kirk's break is not a complex one. As it is, he should be ready well ahead of next summer's training camp. Kirk closes the book on his first NFL campaign with 43 catches for 590 yards and three touchdowns. He is an exciting hold in Dynasty leagues

 

Edited December 3, 2018 by The Frankman

[Stompin' Tom Connors 2,108]

Finishes the season with 43 catches for 590 yards, better than more established guys like Sanu, Demaryus Thomas, and Crabtree, and the most on the team. 

Was a promising season where he provided low-end PPR flex value every week. I fully expect as this team develops for Kirk to take a big step forward next year -- he may not pan out to be the player Fitz is, but no question he can take up his mantle as the #1 WR in ARI. 

[flapgreen 4,804]

Damn it! This is getting ridiculous. How many more guys am I gonna lose?!? 

[Andrew74 847]

At least he showed promise this year.  Looking forward to owning him in dynasty. 

[zeeshan2 199]

arrow up with the Kliff hire IMO

[Faust 2,563]

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Christian Kirk (foot) expects to be fully healthy next month.

Kirk has been ahead of schedule in his rehab after breaking his foot in December. This puts him on track to be ready for OTAs. Coming off a strong rookie season, Kirk has potential for a second-year breakout if Josh Rosen takes a step forward under a new coaching staff.

SOURCE: azcardinals.com

Feb 13, 2019, 5:02 PM