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QB Josh Rosen, MIN (4 Viewers)
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jtd13
Footballguy
Carr broke his lower leg in half. The dolphins didn't dump an expensive QB that was ruined from injury only to turn around and give a 1st for a MORE expensive QB that was ruined from injury because he's a year and change younger.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I was going to post this too, then I just figured I'd let it go.
No way anyone would give up a 1st for Carr. Any 1st round rookie qb is a better investment
I'd be surprised if Carr netted anything higher than a 5th
Shawnky
Footballguy
jtd13
Footballguy
He's been a bad NFL QB in 2 seasons since the injury. I think it's likely the injury changed his career trajectory for the worse.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd agree with jtd on that... His arrow seemed to be pointing up at about the time of his injury. Hes been completely different since.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He wasn’t even a first round pick when he was drafted and has been very up and down (more down) since then. How would they get a first for him?DexterDew said:
While I certainly don't think Carr is worth a 1st, I would disagree that he's been a bad QB the last 2 years. He's been league average. Pretty much interchangeable with a guy like Stafford, and not all that far behind Kirk Cousins. Carr had a pretty good year last year, considering his top weapon for most of the year was Jared Cook.jtd13 said:
For what its worth, I'd rather have Carr than Daniel Jones going forward, of course as this is a Rosen thread, I feel obligated to mention, I'd take Rosen over either of them. Or over Stafford or Cousins for that matter.
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the lone star
Footballguy
My friend who is a Giants fan really wants Rosen. Honestly, as a Cowboys fan, I wouldn't mind him for a relatively cheap price, but young QBs like him almost never come for less than a 2nd. If they trade for him, then trade Dak to a team for a first and 2nd, lol. Not sure who would bite on that, but maybe someone does.
My thinking is that the Cowboys would have Rosen on his rookie contract and then wouldn't have to give Dak a huge extension. They could then come to terms with Zeke pretty easily and afford to keep Byron Jones too, who for the better half of last season, was the premiere CB in the NFL. Out of Zeke, Byron, and Dak, I'd rather give up Dak and replace him with someone like Rosen or even a Ryan Fitzpatrick type.
My thinking is that the Cowboys would have Rosen on his rookie contract and then wouldn't have to give Dak a huge extension. They could then come to terms with Zeke pretty easily and afford to keep Byron Jones too, who for the better half of last season, was the premiere CB in the NFL. Out of Zeke, Byron, and Dak, I'd rather give up Dak and replace him with someone like Rosen or even a Ryan Fitzpatrick type.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Can't imagine Cardinals would bite on just the #78 pick from Dolphins. I think a 2nd round pick is the more realistic price point - leverage or no.
-QG
I've never understood why Arizona has to trade Rosen if they draft Murray. The combined salaries, would still be less than most of the league is spending at QB.
If I were Arizona, its a 1st rounder(wouldn't have to be 2019) or Rosen stays, if that means he stays, then oh darn, we've got potentially the best backup QB in the NFL, and can go through the same process next year, when he's still got 3 years left on his rookie deal. Or maybe, a Bradford in 2016 like situation happens, where some team loses a starter before the season.
This idea of trading a top-10 pick, a year later for far less than investment, just because we took another player at the position feels foolish to me.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Same school of thought that ridiculed the Skins for drafting Cousins in the same draft they drafted RGIII in - turned out "well" for the Skins...if you consider at least having Cousins for a few years to get you over the sting of RGIII being awful before Cousins left town "well."
I agree with you - If I was AZ, I'd keep Rosen and raft Murray.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I mean...he did sign a contract and all...
Sarcasm and my personal feelings about players having so much say in staying with an organization or not, I understand what you're saying. If the Cards came flat out and said, "Murray will be our starter, Rosen will back him up," I get Rosen's concerns. If they made it a fair, open competition, Rosen should put-up or shut-up. While I doubt any team drafts a QB at 1.1 to bench him after he loses to the incumbent in camp, they can at least make it look like it's based on talent!
kutta
Footballguy
I think they have to trade Rosen if they draft Murray. There would just be too many issues in the locker room. All last year the entire team thought Rosen was going to be the guy going forward. Now the very next year they draft someone else to be the man. Keeping both of them will cause splits in the team - it's human nature. Getting rid of Rosen forces the team to unite behind Murray.travdogg said:
I think it's a given they trade Rosen if they draft Murray.
I guess I just disagree with the bolded. I mean if Rosen were somebody who had a bunch of cache in the league, I could see that point. But he has 1 season, of mostly poor play. If Murray outplays Rosen, everyone will get behind Murray regardless of what they thought of Rosen. Likewise, If Murray can't get the team to rally behind him over Rosen, then he has no business going #1.
kutta
Footballguy
I think we forget that these guys are human and make friendships and bonds. If I hire someone as a director and let him run a team for a year and tell everyone that he's their boss for the foreseeable future, then hire another guy and demote the first guy, there's going to be issues. There just is.
We will see what happens. But I'd be shocked if they didn't get rid of Rosen if they draft Murray.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I would say the opposite. People worry way too much about that stuff and forget that ultimately all of these guys are employees. In my work place I've seen plenty of employees around me get promoted and demoted, had peers become team leaders, team leaders who are friends get demoted, etc. That's just life and they need to grow up if they can't handle it.
But that's not the correct analogy. You hired someone as a director and told everyone he was their boss, then you got fired. The new president came in and touted a shiny new director that he likes.
We're talking about people in their 20s and early 30s at the oldest. Most people working in an office environment are far older and more mature than these kids.
kutta
Footballguy
