ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Sounds to me like Josh Rosen is an awesome buy low candidate right now.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'd probably sell, but at this point the price anyone would pay wouldnt be worth it. I'll hold and hold out hope. Once we see him actually play I think we will have a better idea of who he is
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Huh. I earned my way into management and have been there for 2 decades. I like the “why” guys. Those guys want to know about how it works, not just doing it because it’s what they are told to do. The greatest hinderance in increased productivity that I’ve experienced is the guys further up the ladder who respond to the “why” guys with “because we’ve never done it another way before”. They reject alternatives and stifle creativity for no other reason than it’s outside their comfort zone.
jtd13
Footballguy
It isn't. No one is available at 19 in this draft that makes it worthwhile to lessen my chances of getting Murray at 11, IMO. If the guy backs out after I pick at 11, I don't think I missed out on much.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Thus the “unless they bring more to the table” caveat. Why guys that are assets are a rare breed, whereas why guys that are self absorbed jerks that just want to stir the pot are a dime a dozen.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
We must work in very different fields. Some of the guys who are real hindrances in my work are those who don’t ask questions but instead just go along to get along. One of the first things I teach my young engineers, drafters, and field people is that no one is born with the required knowledge and the only dumb questions are the ones you don’t ask. Not being safe and not questioning are really the two things from my people that really get my hackles up.
kutta
Footballguy
But at some point you expect people to know things. I’m fine with questions, but you better perform and not just be the “why guy.”
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Huh. I rely on and encourage feedback from my people. I don’t ever want a person working for me who is uncomfortable questioning. The times I dealing with those you are describing are the we’ve-never-done-it-that-way-before people. They learn to get up to speed pretty quickly, but they seem to be the exception.
kutta
Footballguy
I guess we have different experiences. There’s a fine line between asking for the sake of asking and figuring stuff out for yourself.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
The fine line thing is exactly what I thought.Ben & Jerry's
Footballguy
Why not make the trade now and use the extra capital to move up and get Murray ?
I would put the chances of him falling to 1.11 at less than 50%.
If you identify a guy you really want you go and get him.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
We all know Fitz will have 12 picks by October and get benched. Not sure Rosen is worth anything but holding where I drafted him.
pantherclub
Footballguy
fins are tanking for tua
Faust
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socrates
Footballguy
It was expected that Fitzpatrick would be leading this race at this point. He is a savvy veteran. However, Fitzpatrick is also a known commodity. He is a journeyman who can win you games and even generate short-term excitement, but he is not a franchise signal caller. Rosen, on the other hand, is the hope of the franchise. Having Fitzpatrick allows the team the luxury of bringing Rosen along slowly, but it is merely a matter of when, not if, Rosen becomes the starter, and that date is not too far in the future. The Dolphins will extend a short leash to Fitzpatrick, yet a long leash once Rosen is installed as the starter.
However, the lack of exciting playmakers in Miami is a serious concern. The cupboard is bare in Miami. This offense is not going to strike fear into opponents.
I believe Rosen is a talented young QB, but unless and until the Dolphins surround him with some talented playmakers, it is hard to get too excited about Rosen's dynasty future. This may be a dynasty buy-low opportunity, but the Dolphins picked him up at a bargain, so they aren't exactly heavily invested, and while I expect Rosen to be on the field sooner rather than later, it is difficult to imagine him having great success with the supporting cast he is being provided. I just hope Rosen's confidence is not shattered before he gets a legitimate opportunity to showcase his abilities.
I am buying rock-bottom low with cautious optimism in dynasty, but I have low expectations for short-term success.
However, the lack of exciting playmakers in Miami is a serious concern. The cupboard is bare in Miami. This offense is not going to strike fear into opponents.
I believe Rosen is a talented young QB, but unless and until the Dolphins surround him with some talented playmakers, it is hard to get too excited about Rosen's dynasty future. This may be a dynasty buy-low opportunity, but the Dolphins picked him up at a bargain, so they aren't exactly heavily invested, and while I expect Rosen to be on the field sooner rather than later, it is difficult to imagine him having great success with the supporting cast he is being provided. I just hope Rosen's confidence is not shattered before he gets a legitimate opportunity to showcase his abilities.
I am buying rock-bottom low with cautious optimism in dynasty, but I have low expectations for short-term success.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
While I get that he likely is a "buy low" candidate - what really is his upside?
Like you said this season will most likely be a lost season sitting behind Fitz for a while and then with the Dolphins depleted o-line and lack of weapons if he does see the field what can we expect from a young QB? Then what? It's quite possible the Dolphins earn a top 3 draft slot and take one of the draft eligible QBs teams are salivating over right now. Then what? Rosen gets shipped to yet another new team and starts over again or he stays in Miami and has to battle with what's likely a superior talent at QB?
Even if things work out in Miami, does he even have QB1 upside? - I think he's probably a fantasy backup at best with all the good young QBs in the league right now.
Honestly, I'm not sure he's even worth taking up a roster spot let alone the dart throw pick it would cost to acquire him. If you own him I suppose you have to hold and hope but personally I'd probably be fine selling low and hoping to get lucky. I see some random 3rd round rookie pick having more potential upside than Rosen.
socrates
Footballguy
I would not fault anyone for cutting your losses and moving on from Rosen. His future looks rather bleak at the moment. He will almost certainly be taking up valuable roster space with no immediate returns in the foreseeable future. I agree that Miami is a black hole for Rosen. The team is bereft of dynamic playmakers. However, I do think Rosen has QB1 upside, and if you have a deep dynasty bench, as an essentially free asset, he may be worth a buy and hold. Think of this season as a job interview season for Josh Rosen. More than the numbers he amasses, I will be looking for signs that Rosen has the ability to command a team. I believe the arm talent is there.
The best thing for Rosen's career may be for him to move to a third team in three years, and I worry how that affects him, but in the right situation, I believe Rosen can be successful. It is a shame his path in the NFL has gone this way, but it may be early to write him off.
Not saying Rosen will be an All-Pro, but at some point it would be nice to see him operate behind an NFL offensive line. He hasn't yet had that opportunity.
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I don't know how you can make that observation when he played in the worst offense in the NFL last season and one preseason game behind the backups of one of the worst offensive lines in the game.
kutta
Footballguy
I saw every snap of every cardinals game last year. Yes, the entire team was a disaster. But he showed zero spark and zero leadership ability. The Cards did 100 percent the right thing moving on from him. Miami will move on at some point soon too.
dipandglide
Footballguy
Ya, AZ knows their O-line is terrible and got a more mobile QB that can run for his life
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Same was said about Jared Goff after a season. Sometimes it takes time, and often it takes an NFL-caliber cast, and/or a real NFL coaching staff around you. He may not have either of those things in Miami, but it still seems too early to pass this kind of judgement.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Goff has wonderboy McVay while Rosen has Clyde Christiansen (I think) to mentor him. I'm not sure the same growth should be expected. I'm a Rosen defender to an extent because I'd like to see what he could do with a fair shake. I'm not sure there is much to be learned playing on that Cards team last year. He's onto yet another OC and makeshift o-line. There just aren't high expectations for Miami this year across the board. He just needs to show that he can actually be a starting QB in the league.
kutta
Footballguy
People seem to be brushing aside the possibility that Rosen was a big part of the problem in AZ last year.
I get that everyone around him sucked. I’m just saying I never saw a spark or a sign that he could lead the team and rise above. We’ll see soon enough.
