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4 hours ago, Josie Maran said:

When is this election?

November

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7 hours ago, whoknew said:

November

Oh, I thought there was a special one coming up or something.

Wake me up in October, Cruz is toast.

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Depressing new Quinnipiac poll has Cruz up 11 points.

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Have to like these numbers - 

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Senator Ted Cruz leads El Paso Congressman Beto O'Rourke by five points in the race for Texas' Senate seat, the latest University of Texas and Texas Tribune poll finds.

Cruz holds 41 percent of the vote while O'Rourke holds 36 percent, a U.S. Senate trial ballot that surveyed 1,200 registered voters from June 8 to June 17 found.

Seventeen percent of those surveyed had no opinion.

 

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1 minute ago, whoknew said:

Have to like these numbers - 

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Senator Ted Cruz leads El Paso Congressman Beto O'Rourke by five points in the race for Texas' Senate seat, the latest University of Texas and Texas Tribune poll finds.

Cruz holds 41 percent of the vote while O'Rourke holds 36 percent, a U.S. Senate trial ballot that surveyed 1,200 registered voters from June 8 to June 17 found.

Seventeen percent of those surveyed had no opinion.

 

I’m more encouraged that TX attorney general is a dead heat.  Ken Paxton is the 2nd worst (behind Patrick - Lt. gov)

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Does Beto have a shot?

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1 minute ago, JbizzleMan said:

Does Beto have a shot?

A long one, but not impossible

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18 hours ago, joffer said:

Sat in on Senate Judiciary today.  After the meeting adjourned, Cruz made a beeline over to a guest of Grassley’s sitting in the public part of the gallery.  Turns out the guest is some big money PAC guy. Guest told Cruz he might be able to get him some money.  Cruz was appreciative, shaking his head saying “we’re getting outraised”.  

I’d thought a lot about McConnell cancelling the August recess to stick it to all the Dem incumbents up for re-Election in November.  Hadn’t thought about how that schedule could also hurt Cruz having to stay in Washington while Beto is campaigning every day and generating enthusiasm.

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On 6/26/2018 at 4:55 PM, JbizzleMan said:

Does Beto have a shot?

Some of the polls show he’s just about 2 points behind 

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https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/25/ted-cruz-proposes-five-debates-beto-orourke-texas/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Ted Cruz proposes 5 debates with Beto O’Rourke in U.S. Senate race

In a letter to O'Rourke, Cruz's campaign proposed debates to be held on five Friday evenings, each focused on a different set of topics.

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has challenged Democratic opponent Beto O'Rourke to five topical debates before Election Day, about three months after O'Rourke challenged Cruz to six.

Cruz strategist Jeff Roe sent a letter Wednesday to O'Rourke, an El Paso congressman, proposing the following debate schedule:

Aug. 31 in Dallas on "Jobs/Taxes/Federal Regulations/National Economy"

Sept. 14 in McAllen on "Immigration/Border Security/Criminal Justice/Supreme Court"

Sept. 21 in San Antonio on "Foreign Policy/National Security"

Oct. 5 in Houston on "Energy/Trade/Texas Economy"

Oct. 12 in Lubbock on "Healthcare/Obamacare"

Roe said the debates would all take place on Friday evenings "because the Senate is expected to be in session during that time." The debates would each be an hour long and vary in format — some would be town hall-style, while others would feature the two candidates seated or standing at podiums.

"As Senator Cruz has long believed, our democratic process is best served by presenting a clear and substantive contrast of competing policy ideas, and these five debates will be an excellent way for both you and the Senator to share your respective visions with Texas voters in the weeks leading up to the November election," Roe wrote to O'Rourke.

O'Rourke responded in a statement to reporters: "I am encouraged that Sen. Cruz has decided that he’s ready to debate the issues. Our campaign looks forward to working with his campaign to finalize mutually agreed upon details."

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On 12/07/2018 at 5:36 PM, Bruce Dickinson said:

Sat in on Senate Judiciary today.  After the meeting adjourned, Cruz made a beeline over to a guest of Grassley’s sitting in the public part of the gallery.  Turns out the guest is some big money PAC guy. Guest told Cruz he might be able to get him some money.  Cruz was appreciative, shaking his head saying “we’re getting outraised”.  

I’d thought a lot about McConnell cancelling the August recess to stick it to all the Dem incumbents up for re-Election in November.  Hadn’t thought about how that schedule could also hurt Cruz having to stay in Washington while Beto is campaigning every day and generating enthusiasm.

Beto is a long shot, but it's  forcing them to divert resources to this race and away from other races.  Dems really putting on a full-court press at the local, state and national level for once.

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2 hours ago, rude classless thugs said:

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/07/25/ted-cruz-proposes-five-debates-beto-orourke-texas/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Ted Cruz proposes 5 debates with Beto O’Rourke in U.S. Senate race

In a letter to O'Rourke, Cruz's campaign proposed debates to be held on five Friday evenings, each focused on a different set of topics.

U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, has challenged Democratic opponent Beto O'Rourke to five topical debates before Election Day, about three months after O'Rourke challenged Cruz to six.

Cruz strategist Jeff Roe sent a letter Wednesday to O'Rourke, an El Paso congressman, proposing the following debate schedule:

Aug. 31 in Dallas on "Jobs/Taxes/Federal Regulations/National Economy"

Sept. 14 in McAllen on "Immigration/Border Security/Criminal Justice/Supreme Court"

Sept. 21 in San Antonio on "Foreign Policy/National Security"

Oct. 5 in Houston on "Energy/Trade/Texas Economy"

Oct. 12 in Lubbock on "Healthcare/Obamacare"

Roe said the debates would all take place on Friday evenings "because the Senate is expected to be in session during that time." The debates would each be an hour long and vary in format — some would be town hall-style, while others would feature the two candidates seated or standing at podiums.

"As Senator Cruz has long believed, our democratic process is best served by presenting a clear and substantive contrast of competing policy ideas, and these five debates will be an excellent way for both you and the Senator to share your respective visions with Texas voters in the weeks leading up to the November election," Roe wrote to O'Rourke.

O'Rourke responded in a statement to reporters: "I am encouraged that Sen. Cruz has decided that he’s ready to debate the issues. Our campaign looks forward to working with his campaign to finalize mutually agreed upon details."

He’s nuts.  If Cruz does this he might actually lose.

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2 hours ago, joffer said:

He’s nuts.  If Cruz does this he might actually lose.

I wonder if he's proposing this because his internal polling shows he's in trouble. This could potentially be his best chance. Cruz is a lot of things, but he's no idiot. If he can show he's considerably more knowledgeable and experienced it might give him a small boost in the polls.

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5 hours ago, joffer said:

He’s nuts.  If Cruz does this he might actually lose.

Cruz has a lot of big time debate experience. Beto not so much. A debate is theoretically in Cruz's favor. 

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6 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Cruz has a lot of big time debate experience. Beto not so much. A debate is theoretically in Cruz's favor. 

I agree but it's also a good sign for Beto that Cruz wants debates... a sign that Cruz is worried.

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10 minutes ago, bananafish said:

I agree but it's also a good sign for Beto that Cruz wants debates... a sign that Cruz is worried.

Agreed, it is an ackowlegement that this will be a serious race. 

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1 hour ago, Ilov80s said:

Cruz has a lot of big time debate experience. Beto not so much. A debate is theoretically in Cruz's favor. 

I agree with this. But Beto is a cool cat. He is very likable in person. And he is all-inclusive. He is willing to sit and really listen to all viewpoints. I would think that many people will see him in these debates and end up feeling as though he is the better person to lead the people in the state of Texas.

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2 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Cruz has a lot of big time debate experience. Beto not so much. A debate is theoretically in Cruz's favor. 

Cruz was a champion college debater. But political debates are very different thing. The goal is not to win the argument. It's how you position yourself and define your opponent. The most obvious impact of a debate between an incumbent and a challenger is that it raises the challenger's profile and allows him to appear on equal footing with the incumbent. That's why the default position of most incumbent's is to minimize the number of debates. (Sometimes they also insist that minor party candidates are also allowed into the debate, in order to lower the status of their main challenger and avoid giving her a clean shot.)

I have no idea how a Cruz-O'Rourke debate would play out. Cruz is pretty unlikable, so it's possible Beto would benefit from the comparison. On the other hand, if voters' first impression of Beto is that he's glib or unprepared, that would really hurt him.

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5 minutes ago, zftcg said:

Cruz was a champion college debater. But political debates are very different thing. The goal is not to win the argument. It's how you position yourself and define your opponent. The most obvious impact of a debate between an incumbent and a challenger is that it raises the challenger's profile and allows him to appear on equal footing with the incumbent. That's why the default position of most incumbent's is to minimize the number of debates. (Sometimes they also insist that minor party candidates are also allowed into the debate, in order to lower the status of their main challenger and avoid giving her a clean shot.)

I have no idea how a Cruz-O'Rourke debate would play out. Cruz is pretty unlikable, so it's possible Beto would benefit from the comparison. On the other hand, if voters' first impression of Beto is that he's glib or unprepared, that would really hurt him.

Yeah, while I have no doubt Beto has a strong background for a debate, a political one is different. Especially the audience. Judges of college debates are a far cry from the average voter. 

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What percentage of the electorate even watches Senatorial debates?  I think really the only concern the candidates should have is saying something really dumb that goes viral.  They both seem polished enough that seems unlikely.

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6 hours ago, Ilov80s said:

Cruz has a lot of big time debate experience. Beto not so much. A debate is theoretically in Cruz's favor. 

if people were actually listening to what was being said, i'd probably agree.  Beto is very likable.  Cruz comes off as a used car salesman.  Beto has nothing to lose.

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2 hours ago, fatguyinalittlecoat said:

What percentage of the electorate even watches Senatorial debates?  I think really the only concern the candidates should have is saying something really dumb that goes viral.  They both seem polished enough that seems unlikely.

On a Friday night during football season in Texas, no less. Barring a catastrophe, these debates will have no bearing on this race.

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I went to see Beto speak in Flower Mound last month. We got there an hour early and we couldn't get in. This is not Democratic territory, either. Far from it.

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25 minutes ago, joffer said:

if people were actually listening to what was being said, i'd probably agree.  Beto is very likable.  Cruz comes off as a used car salesman.  Beto has nothing to lose.

Beto has everything to gain. Cruz is a big name in a very red State.

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28 minutes ago, honky kong said:

I went to see Beto speak in Flower Mound last month. We got there an hour early and we couldn't get in. This is not Democratic territory, either. Far from it.

Good. Turnout is key for Beto. He needs huge turnout to win.

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Saw one of his latest ads on the twitters. Impressive.

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8 minutes ago, Mister CIA said:

Waco... is there no place he won't go?!?!

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I simultaneously have two thoughts about Beto:

  1. He is a young, authentic, dynamic candidate who represents Democrats best chance in a generation to win a statewide office in Texas.
  2. He is wish fulfillment personified: He has been scientifically engineered in a lab to stroke the erogenous zones of coastal liberals (myself included) who want need to believe we can turn Texas blue not by hedging with a bunch of Joe Manchin-style DINOs, but by openly embracing progressivism.

Every day I find myself hoping No. 1 is true and fearing that No. 2 is.

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How any Texan could vote for Ted Cruz over a guy who played "Roll Me Up and Smoke Me When I Die" with Willie Nelson at his Fourth of July picnic is beyond me.

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1 hour ago, ericttspikes said:

How any Texan could vote for Ted Cruz over a guy who played "Roll Me Up and Smoke Me When I Die" with Willie Nelson at his Fourth of July picnic is beyond me.

You could have stopped right there. I'm hoping Beto can pull it out but I don't think it's going to happen. 

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