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I just listened to the 90 minute podcast with David Axelrod.  

We usually hear Beto talk during stump speeches so it's nice to hear him away from that.  Lots of interesting stuff about his background including The Cult of the Dead Cow, the drunk driving incident and the death of his father.  

 

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Why is it is seems like the further left these politicians are the harder they hold on to their own wallets?  They want to forcibly extract huge sums to pay for their "free" this or that, but on a voluntary basis... not so much.  1k charitable contributions on 370k of income is shameful if one is pursuing public service.

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Drawing firm conclusions about someone’s generosity from his tax returns is precarious because there are an awful lot of ways to donate one’s time or money to good causes that don’t involve writing a check to a tax-exempt organization.

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4 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Drawing firm conclusions about someone’s generosity from his tax returns is precarious because there are an awful lot of ways to donate one’s time or money to good causes that don’t involve writing a check to a tax-exempt organization.

Agreed. Do you feel the same about a company like Amazon? 

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34 minutes ago, Max Power said:

Agreed. Do you feel the same about a company like Amazon? 

Are we still talking about tax-deductible donations, or are you asking about Amazon’s tax liability? If the latter, I’m against state and local governments giving tax breaks or other special benefits to specific, targeted companies. (The same would obviously be true for federal income tax breaks as well, but I don’t think that’s relevant to Amazon. The reason Amazon hasn’t paid much federal income tax so far is that it hasn’t had much net income so far.)

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38 minutes ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Are we still talking about tax-deductible donations, or are you asking about Amazon’s tax liability? If the latter, I’m against state and local governments giving tax breaks or other special benefits to specific, targeted companies. (The same would obviously be true for federal income tax breaks as well, but I don’t think that’s relevant to Amazon. The reason Amazon hasn’t paid much federal income tax so far is that it hasn’t had much net income so far.)

More the second... but food for thought on Amazon. I'm sure there is an economic term for it, but is passing a saving to increase the quality of life for users a fair substitute for taxes?

In today's world almost everyone can afford flat screen TVs. So is it a net benefit to the country if a $800 dollar TV now costs $1000 and amazon pays the $200 difference on the back half to the government. Or should we leave buying power and fluid wealth to the consumer?

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1 hour ago, Maurile Tremblay said:

Drawing firm conclusions about someone’s generosity from his tax returns is precarious because there are an awful lot of ways to donate one’s time or money to good causes that don’t involve writing a check to a tax-exempt organization.

Thinking of all the good work the Trump Foundation did warms my soul.

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19 minutes ago, The General said:

Thinking of all the good work the Trump Foundation did warms my soul.

If you donate extra - they toss in a Vodka Martini and a happy ending.

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Beto is a real cheap guy when it comes to charity 

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5 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Beto is a real cheap guy when it comes to charity 

Using charity to buy pictures of himself?

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26 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Beto is a real cheap guy when it comes to charity 

He was asked about this today and his answer was not very good.

Kind of nice to know this if it is important to you, no?

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So we now know Beto lied about his first day numbers. He mixed in money raised for the general election, which he can't spend unless he gets the nomination, with money raised for the primary so he could say he beat Bernie. Bernie didn't report monies raised for the general amongst his first 24 hours total.  Beto was not the only one to do this. We also know now that Beto is still taking money from oil lobbyists. 

Interestingly enough Pete has been raising money but due to the timing of his announcement we won't get any details until the next reporting deadline. Purely coincidental I'm sure. Nothing to do with raising money from bundlers.

 

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7 minutes ago, NCCommish said:

So we now know Beto lied about his first day numbers.

Knock me over with a feather.

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17 hours ago, NCCommish said:

So we now know Beto lied about his first day numbers. He mixed in money raised for the general election, which he can't spend unless he gets the nomination, with money raised for the primary so he could say he beat Bernie. Bernie didn't report monies raised for the general amongst his first 24 hours total.  Beto was not the only one to do this. We also know now that Beto is still taking money from oil lobbyists. 

Interestingly enough Pete has been raising money but due to the timing of his announcement we won't get any details until the next reporting deadline. Purely coincidental I'm sure. Nothing to do with raising money from bundlers.

Is there a level of small donor support that Pete could hit that would mollify you?

I'm not suggesting you're unable to be pleased with anything less than 100% small donor funded campaigns, but I'm truly curious whether anything short of what Bernie's doing can suffice.

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35 minutes ago, adonis said:

Is there a level of small donor support that Pete could hit that would mollify you?

I'm not suggesting you're unable to be pleased with anything less than 100% small donor funded campaigns, but I'm truly curious whether anything short of what Bernie's doing can suffice.

I dont think Pete is going to prioritize small donors at all. I think he will be very happy to take big donations. I think he is a third wayer.

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still a big Beto fan

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Oh Beto....

In case anyone was wondering, Yes his great great great grandfather owned a couple women. 

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No one has done less with more than Beto

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No idea why Jux was quoted
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Count me as one surprised he didn't do better. I thought after the Senate race he was ready to make some noise. Seemed charismatic and ready.

How much do you think his strong stance on gun control with the "Hell yes, we're coming for your AR 15's" was an issue? I can see how that might not have worked in the general election but I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem at this point. 

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16 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

Count me as one surprised he didn't do better. I thought after the Senate race he was ready to make some noise. Seemed charismatic and ready.

How much do you think his strong stance on gun control with the "Hell yes, we're coming for your AR 15's" was an issue? I can see how that might not have worked in the general election but I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem at this point. 

Thats a quote that will haunt dems for ten years.  This guy ran scorched earth looking for a liferaft and that quote is going to raise millions as it removed any doubt of intentions in at least some segment of the democratic party.   As such I wouldn't be surprised if he got Private Pyle'ed out of there

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28 minutes ago, Joe Bryant said:

Count me as one surprised he didn't do better. I thought after the Senate race he was ready to make some noise. Seemed charismatic and ready.

How much do you think his strong stance on gun control with the "Hell yes, we're coming for your AR 15's" was an issue? I can see how that might not have worked in the general election but I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem at this point. 

His campaign was effectively over before that - he was just trying to gain any traction he could.

He, and he is not alone, simply got out-worked on the campaign trail.

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I loved this guy when Ted Cruz was his foil, but it died quickly after 2018.  He lacks the requisite big boy pants.

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1 hour ago, Joe Bryant said:

How much do you think his strong stance on gun control with the "Hell yes, we're coming for your AR 15's" was an issue? I can see how that might not have worked in the general election but I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem at this point

I think that was a Hail Mary by him to get back in the race that didn’t work

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I can’t shake the feeling that something specific happened behind the scenes here. The timing is just so odd. 
 

He was in Des Moines for the dinner. His wife apparently was not there. I wonder if he literally ran out of money and could not pay his tab for the dinner - I am assuming each candidate had to make some contribution to the Iowa Democratic Party to get a speaking gig. 

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The press and those concerned about diversity and privilege were all over Beto from the jump. He never had a chance, really.

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12 hours ago, Joe Bryant said:

Count me as one surprised he didn't do better. I thought after the Senate race he was ready to make some noise. Seemed charismatic and ready.

How much do you think his strong stance on gun control with the "Hell yes, we're coming for your AR 15's" was an issue? I can see how that might not have worked in the general election but I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem at this point. 

Even though it’s a bit busy, I like looking at this chart.   Beto was doing fine in the beginning.  Chart even has him in third around the beginning of the year.  Like you mention, many people liked what they heard from him in the Senate race and thought he might be an inspirational candidate.

But as we went into summer, his numbers went down as people started likely other candidates like Warren, Harris and even Buttigieg. Beto never seems to capitalize on that early success. By the time of the “Hell, Yes!”  comment, his numbers were already down to about 2% and didn’t move from there.

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At a certain point he went from looking genuine, to looking over-consulted and inauthentic.  He looked like the DNC consultant circuit's hollowed-out version of an inspiring candidate with actual principles.  He stood out in particular running against someone with negative appeal like Ted Cruz.  I remember the huge BETO hype.  Once that ended, and he was up against other candidates with more charm and convincing messaging, it was curtains for Roberto.  

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1 hour ago, rockaction said:

The press and those concerned about diversity and privilege were all over Beto from the jump. He never had a chance, really.

Plus he needs to rehearse a different type of delivery as what he does is OK for small group town hall rallies but is very annoying after seeing him a couple times.  O`Rourke`s wild hand and arm gyrations take away from the content he is talking about.

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3 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

Plus he needs to rehearse a different type of delivery as what he does is OK for small group town hall rallies but is very annoying after seeing him a couple times.  O`Rourke`s wild hand and arm gyrations take away from the content he is talking about.

He's very tweaky.

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Beto was politically immature and poorly run, but he was who a lot of lefties were looking for from the post-Bernie gen of Dems.

Although, as a Vermonter, I know that Bernie Sanders has always been 10lbs of #### in a 5lb bag so did not interrupt my boycott of national politics to support his '16 bid, his politics are actually closer to mine than any presidential candidate since Gene McCarthy. I was mightily surprised that his message resonated with so many young people when his campaign began as such an outlier, so was intrigued to see how the Party would grow this out for '18 & '20.

It didn't. The party machinery that stole the nom for Hillary had absolutely no interest in the first populist wave the Democrats had seen since the counterculture and did nothing developmentally. I commented on that mistake several times on these boards in the year after Trump's victory. Fortuitously, the rush to reverse Trump in '18 resulted in a lot of women & people of color into the process and they, individually, brought a lot of the Bern they learned in '16 with their platforms.

But, if one stipulated that Sanders was never going to win a national election, there wasn't really another national figure to inherit the traditional leftist mantle. Until another anyone-but- candidate popped up in Texas. Beto O'Rourke is very much like what white liberals are like, which is why so many had so much hope for him. If i was still interested in the process (i wouldnt have been til my mancrush on Peteyjudge), i woulda stuck a pin in Beto, looked around for a woman or non-white who represented similar ideas, and then come back to O'Rourke as the inheritor of the Sanders ideal.

As many know, i have never been in the anyone-but-Trump camp. I believe electing a most-likely-to-win candidate in 2020 enables the same disease of which the current president is a symptom. Since the Trump-led GOP appears capped in the mid-to-low 40%s for the upcoming, NOW is the time to show the sense in the leftist agenda and use the other side's weakness to push it over the top. And Beto would have been the poster boy for that.

But he never was the adult in the room and POTUS is the national parent, after all. He should have unapologetically staked out the ground that @Joe Bryant was asking about - eat the rich, take their guns, elevate fairness & opportunity - because the poll numbers don't lie. THAT's what America wants. It's just that they also want to be able to do whatever the hell they want to do if they should ever make it to the top and media uses that to keep them afraid of their better angels. If i had run Beto, it would have been a "you know it's true" adult version of the progressive agenda, and i'd have broken precedent by inviting fellow thiiiis close-r Stacey Abrams (in case y'all havent checked her out, she's almost as impressive and much more powerful an indivdual as Mayor Pete) as an early-ticket partner and together tell America that this is our time, it is morning in America again, FOR EVERYBODY. But nope, not even close. He plays cute, then flashes his truth as a late, desperate ploy which ultimately revealed that his true color is ambition like the rest of em. Good riddance.

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21 hours ago, Joe Bryant said:

Count me as one surprised he didn't do better. I thought after the Senate race he was ready to make some noise. Seemed charismatic and ready.

How much do you think his strong stance on gun control with the "Hell yes, we're coming for your AR 15's" was an issue? I can see how that might not have worked in the general election but I wouldn't have thought that would be a problem at this point. 

I thought he was going to do better as well.

The gun stuff from him came quite a bit after he was fizzling IIRC.

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