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11 minutes ago, -fish- said:

Where do I donate to sponsor someone to bus in illegal immigrants to vote for Beto?

that’s weak, I’m signed up to drive the bus myself

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1 hour ago, roadkill1292 said:

Republicans are a little worried right now and calling in the fat checkbooks. I was amused by the plan to paint Beto as an "establishment figure."

:lmao:

"McIntosh said it had not been determined when the Club’s campaign would begin. But he said it would focus heavily on casting O’Rourke as an establishment figure who, contrary to the nonpolitical and outsider persona he has cultivated, is eager to climb the ranks of political power."

Ted Cruz:

- Princeton and Harvard grad

- Appeals Court and Supreme Court Clerk

- Policy Adviser for George W. Bush campaign

- Associate Deputy Attorney General in George W. Bush Administration

- Director of Policy Planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission

- Texas Solicitor General

- United States Senator

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6 hours ago, bigbottom said:

:lmao:

"McIntosh said it had not been determined when the Club’s campaign would begin. But he said it would focus heavily on casting O’Rourke as an establishment figure who, contrary to the nonpolitical and outsider persona he has cultivated, is eager to climb the ranks of political power."

Ted Cruz:

- Princeton and Harvard grad

- Appeals Court and Supreme Court Clerk

- Policy Adviser for George W. Bush campaign

- Associate Deputy Attorney General in George W. Bush Administration

- Director of Policy Planning at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission

- Texas Solicitor General

- United States Senator

And Ted seems to have no desire at all to "climb the ranks of political power." :lmao:

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Texas GOP Slammed For Trying To Make Beto O’Rourke’s Former Punk Band An Issue

One Twitter user wondered why Republicans were trying to make the Senate candidate look cool. :lmao:

Replying to @TexasGOP

Definitely don't want to vote for this cool guy who did fun stuff and had friends.

9:20 AM - Aug 29, 2018

This is two more friends than Ted Cruz has ever had.

9:36 AM - Aug 29, 2018

Yeah, don’t vote for people who liked to play music in college. And you wonder why no one under 55 votes GOP.

9:24 AM - Aug 29, 2018

Is Ted Cruz really trying to scare voters with pictures from Beto's band days when there are pictures of him out there as a mime?

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8 hours ago, bigbottom said:

:lmao:

"McIntosh said it had not been determined when the Club’s campaign would begin. But he said it would focus heavily on casting O’Rourke as an establishment figure who, contrary to the nonpolitical and outsider persona he has cultivated, is eager to climb the ranks of political power."

The punk rock establishment guy. Some strategy there.

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"“IT SEEMS LIKE IOWA IN 2007”: IS BETO O’ROURKE THE LEFT’S OBAMA-LIKE ANSWER TO TRUMP IN 2020?"

Not totally sure if I buy this -- I think the logistics of Beto running will be incredibly difficult whether he wins or loses -- but as I said in another thread, it drove home for me how Beto checks all the boxes in terms of what I'm looking for in a 2020 candidate.

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1 minute ago, zftcg said:

"“IT SEEMS LIKE IOWA IN 2007”: IS BETO O’ROURKE THE LEFT’S OBAMA-LIKE ANSWER TO TRUMP IN 2020?"

Not totally sure if I buy this -- I think the logistics of Beto running will be incredibly difficult whether he wins or loses -- but as I said in another thread, it drove home for me how Beto checks all the boxes in terms of what I'm looking for in a 2020 candidate.

If he gets elected to the Senate in 2018 the democrats need him to hold this seat for at least 1 term before he looks to higher office.  

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1 minute ago, toshiba said:

If he gets elected to the Senate in 2018 the democrats need him to hold this seat for at least 1 term before he looks to higher office.  

I get the argument, but I think 2020 will scramble the usual calculations that go into a candidate's decision to run. I think most Dems will view defeating Trump as so vital to the future of our democracy that the decision becomes more about obligation than about desire. If you're a viable 2020 candidate and you sit this one out, it's a little like holding artillery in reserve while the enemy is storming your castle.

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2 minutes ago, zftcg said:
11 minutes ago, toshiba said:

If he gets elected to the Senate in 2018 the democrats need him to hold this seat for at least 1 term before he looks to higher office.  

I get the argument, but I think 2020 will scramble the usual calculations that go into a candidate's decision to run. I think most Dems will view defeating Trump as so vital to the future of our democracy that the decision becomes more about obligation than about desire. If you're a viable 2020 candidate and you sit this one out, it's a little like holding artillery in reserve while the enemy is storming your castle.

I personally would be very reluctant to support O'Rourke in the primary.

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Just now, toshiba said:

I personally would be very reluctant to support O'Rourke in the primary.

That may well be a popular view among Dems if he runs. And again, I'm not saying he should run, or that I would necessarily support him. I'm just pushing back against the idea that we can think too far into the future. Look at Obama: The "safe" choice would have been to sit out 2008, and then either bide his time in the Senate or become Hillary's VP so that it would be his "turn" in 2016. But I'm so glad he didn't do that. By contrast, although I didn't want Warren to run in 2016, in retrospect I think that was a tragic mistake.

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2 minutes ago, zftcg said:
8 minutes ago, toshiba said:

I personally would be very reluctant to support O'Rourke in the primary.

That may well be a popular view among Dems if he runs. And again, I'm not saying he should run, or that I would necessarily support him. I'm just pushing back against the idea that we can think too far into the future. Look at Obama: The "safe" choice would have been to sit out 2008, and then either bide his time in the Senate or become Hillary's VP so that it would be his "turn" in 2016. But I'm so glad he didn't do that. By contrast, although I didn't want Warren to run in 2016, in retrospect I think that was a tragic mistake.

I can see your point.  You hit home with your statement about Warren.  I am really a huge supporter of her's but I fear I have a blind spot when it comes to her and her politics, I wonder if I competently ignore her negatives because I adore her positions.  You haven given me pause to reconsider the O'Rourke and timing issue...

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1 hour ago, toshiba said:

I can see your point.  You hit home with your statement about Warren.  I am really a huge supporter of her's but I fear I have a blind spot when it comes to her and her politics, I wonder if I competently ignore her negatives because I adore her positions.  You haven given me pause to reconsider the O'Rourke and timing issue...

One more counterfactual (and then I'll get back to the topic at hand, promise): What if Hillary had run in '04? I mean, at this point the easy answer is that Hillary was such a poor candidate she was doomed no matter when she ran. But I think in '04 she might have actually had a stronger case than in '08. And Lord knows, it's hard to imagine she wouldn't have been a better candidate than John Kerry, who nonetheless came very close to winning.

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14 minutes ago, zftcg said:

One more counterfactual (and then I'll get back to the topic at hand, promise): What if Hillary had run in '04? I mean, at this point the easy answer is that Hillary was such a poor candidate she was doomed no matter when she ran. But I think in '04 she might have actually had a stronger case than in '08. And Lord knows, it's hard to imagine she wouldn't have been a better candidate than John Kerry, who nonetheless came very close to winning.

I can imagine her being a worse candidate than Kerry.  Doesn't take a lot of imagination actually.

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On 8/22/2018 at 1:37 PM, bigbottom said:

Agreed. And then Cruz wraps himself in the honor and valor of our military members to make a shallow, pandering counter-argument. 

I served in the military. We were mandated to stop and stand at attention at Retreat. Don't, and you could expect some form of punishment, either verbal or physical.

I will still stop and stand, with my hand over my heart, today when I see Our Nation's Colors. And I always think about the oath we swear: "...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."

I stand to honor the flag in defense of your right to protest that which you believe is unjust.

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On 8/22/2018 at 1:38 PM, Bucky86 said:

In Texas that works really well.

It works well in a lot of states.

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7 minutes ago, Ignoramus said:

I served in the military. We were mandated to stop and stand at attention at Retreat. Don't, and you could expect some form of punishment, either verbal or physical.

I will still stop and stand, with my hand over my heart, today when I see Our Nation's Colors. And I always think about the oath we swear: "...I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same..."

I stand to honor the flag in defense of your right to protest that which you believe is unjust.

:thumbsup:  

I lived quite a few years on military bases growing up. Standing for Retreat was ingrained. I remember the neighborhood kids playing in the street would all immediately stop what they were doing, lest they catch a whoopin’ from their dad when he got home. 

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2 hours ago, Qanon said:

Cruz will win Texas easily.

well now I think Beto actually has a chance

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2 hours ago, Qanon said:

Cruz will win Texas easily.

Define easily, what percentage will he win by?

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9 minutes ago, joffer said:

Yeah, the polling news is pretty encouraging that a Dem candidate can get this close -- it shows that even Texans can start to come to their collective senses wrt Repubs -- but I still think it's a decade too early for Beto and the ones who follow.

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Police Report: Beto O’Rourke Tried to Flee Scene of Drunk-Driving Crash

O’Rourke, then 26, was driving at “a high rate of speed” on a Texas highway roughly ten miles from the New Mexico border when he crashed into a truck and spun across the median into oncoming traffic. A witness whom O’Rourke passed shortly before crashing later told police he personally prevented O’Rourke from fleeing the scene. 

The rising progressive star, who blew a 0.136 and a 0.134 on police breathalyzers, did not address the witness report that he tried to flee the scene in a statement released on Thursday.

Old offense but being used heavily in the campaign.

He's toast

Cruz should win by at least 7 points

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46 minutes ago, Qanon said:

Old offense but being used heavily in the campaign.

He's toast

Cruz should win by at least 7 points

How embarrassing for Texas.  

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2 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said:

I hope a major part of Beto's campaign is running  commercials with Trump’s tweets about Cruz? 

And Cruz’s statements about Trump.  Looks pretty pathetic to show the clip of Cruz calling Trump a pathological liar and then clips of Cruz kissing Trump’s butt.

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32 minutes ago, zoonation said:

How embarrassing for Texas.  

I get Beto calls at least once a week, if not more. I always give him high praise and tell them I have talked 11 people to vote for Beto. They of course will all vote for Cruz.

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Just now, Qanon said:

I get Beto calls at least once a week, if not more. I always give him high praise and tell them I have talked 11 people to vote for Beto. They of course will all vote for Cruz.

Neat.  

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3 hours ago, zoonation said:

Neat.  

It is kind of a club now. Want to see if we can skew the poles.

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11 hours ago, Qanon said:

It is kind of a club now. Want to see if we can skew the poles.

Perhaps this exercise will allow you to see that polls are educated guesses based on a system as opposed to some deep state effort.

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13 hours ago, Qanon said:

It is kind of a club now. Want to see if we can skew the poles.

"poles"? You are perfect for Cruz, MAGA-t.

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37 minutes ago, honky kong said:

Oh great. The contagion spreads.

It could be Joe's alias for all we know.

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9 hours ago, Sheriff Bart said:

THERE IT IS!! 

Trump is going to Texas maybe twice to hold a rally for Cruz. The boy wasted a lot of his money. :thumbup:

His bill boards will probably actually help Cruz.

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2 minutes ago, Qanon said:

Beto is a fraud. He won't even use his real name, just to get the Latino vote.

So you are going to vote for "Ted" Cruz?

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