Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Drunken Cowboy

***Official 2018 Pittsburgh Pirates Thread*** Back to being the Bucs

Recommended Posts

33 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

Lol i was actually thinking that. 

Do we have the sticks right now though for the moves to matter?

Well I don’t think the moves turn them into a playoff team this year.  Maybe it increases their chances for the next couple years.    

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is part of an essay I'm working on because I was intrigued by Archer vs the AL East compared to other MLB teams:

Chris Archer started his MLB career in 2012 with the Tampa Bay Rays. In the seasons that followed through 2015, he compiled an impressive 3.33 ERA in over 564 innings. Since 2016, in 498 innings, his ERA has been 4.10. Some would cite the rise as a by-product of pitching frequently against the fierce foes in the AL East. And that is a valid position. Facing high-scoring Boston, the Yankees, Toronto, and Baltimore carries many hazards for opposing hurlers. The 29 year-old Archer is a veteran of such wars. His 54-68 win/loss mark may reflect battle scars.

And they do. Almost 47% of Archer's innings have come against AL East adversaries, resulting in a 4.02 ERA and a 21-33 record. Versus the rest of MLB, he maintains a 3.39 ERA. In 21 career starts against NL teams, Archer's ERA is 3.29 . So, away from the usual opposition, he is a more effective starter.

The Pirates had to be aware of Archer's work given these contexts, or they wouldn't have sent 3 good young players in exchange.

Edited by monessen
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Bucs have used 20 pitchers this season. The club has an overall 4.22 ERA.

I looked at the 11 active ones, from Ivan Nova to Nick Kingham to Alex McRae, who've logged innings for the team. Their cumulative ERA is 3.84. Then, I examined the 9 who are either gone (Smoker, Glasnow, etc.) or inactive (Kuhl). Their composite ERA is 5.03. 

Kela and Archer should be fine additions to help get that ERA closer to, or under, the NL mean of 4.07.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pirates acquire shortstop Adeiny Hechavarria from Rays for playoff push.

Not overly relevant, but has to be the end of Sean Rod.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I know small sample size but suddenly Glasnow has pinpoint control and showing elite stuff.  Oh the joy of being a Pirates fan.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The club has 60 wins. I believe they have 29 games left with divisional rivals against whom they've played nearly .600 ball this season (28-19).

They also have a chunk of games versus Miami, KC, and Minnesota. In all, the schedule really favors a prospective post-season slot. But they have to keep hitting at the level they've demonstrated since the start of July.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I still think the playoffs are a long shot.  So many teams in the NL are in the race and I feel like the Pirates are still behind most of them in terms of talent.  What are we going to get from Archer?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/31/2018 at 7:30 PM, fred_1_15301 said:

Oh and I think a change of scenery for Archer will only help.  Perhaps Glasnow turns into the stud that we thought he could be but moving to the AL East certainly can’t help his cause, right?  Meadows could be a solid outfielder but I don’t think we are giving up a stud.

I have to backtrack on my initial take of this trade.  Apparently one of our top prospects (Shane Baz) is the 3rd guy listed in the trade.  So that's 3 top prospects for Archer.  Even if Archer is an ace, that's a lot to give up.  The likelihood that Archer suddenly turns into an ace is probably less than 1 %?  Yuck - this now reeks to me of a desperation move.  It doesn't help that Glasnow has pitched lights out since starting in Tampa.

Although I did yank Glasnow immediately off the waiver wire of a keeper league when I heard the news that he was being traded.  With the Pirates track record of selling pitchers who eventually turn into studs, I figured I had a potential lottery ticket.  Feeling pretty damn good about that move right now.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If Glasnow pitches a gem against Boston, NH should be fired on the spot.       :X

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
11 hours ago, HellToupee said:

Pittsburgh Pirates are 61-61. Runs scored: 550. Runs allowed: 550. 

:yawn:

The worst thing that could have happened to this team was that big win streak right before the trade deadline.  I guess management actually thought they had the talent to compete for a playoff spot.  Here we are minus 3 top prospects and the addition of the most overrated pitcher in baseball?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The Bucs are now 186-220 in Augusts and Septembers under Clint Hurdle, going back to 2011. That's .457 baseball. We are again witnessing the annual letdown.

Edited by monessen
omission

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/18/2018 at 0:42 AM, fred_1_15301 said:

The worst thing that could have happened to this team was that big win streak right before the trade deadline.  I guess management actually thought they had the talent to compete for a playoff spot.  Here we are minus 3 top prospects and the addition of the most overrated pitcher in baseball?

If that is what thy thought then the whole office needs gutted. This team is not a contender. The risky move was needed in 2014 when they really could have won the whole damn thing. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

1-0 again?!

Only 87 runs in their last 24 games (10-14), a waste of good pitching.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Pirates in June/July under Hurdle-----237-181, a .567 win %.

Pirates in Aug/Sept under Hurdle-----189-225, a .457 win %.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/29/2018 at 5:01 PM, Leeroy Jenkins said:

They really need to fire everybody and sell the team.  

What an absolute disaster of a trade this has become.  Glasnow suddenly looks like a legit stud.  Archer is ####### horrible.  Nobody is going to show up next year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, fred_1_15301 said:

What an absolute disaster of a trade this has become.  Glasnow suddenly looks like a legit stud.  Archer is ####### horrible.  Nobody is going to show up next year.

They are trying to force archer to use his sinker as his primary setup pitch. Which is totally new to him. 

This front office is so inept.  Terrible drafts and trades and timing. The time to take risks was 2014/2015. Not after trading away Cole and cutch. 

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

They are trying to force archer to use his sinker as his primary setup pitch. Which is totally new to him. 

This front office is so inept.  Terrible drafts and trades and timing. The time to take risks was 2014/2015. Not after trading away Cole and cutch. 

Completely agree with all of this.  I'm ashamed that my initial reaction after the Archer trade was excitement.  I had no clue that the only thing holding back an elite talent like Glasnow was this organization.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Adios to David Freese and the professionalism he brought to the club during for several years.

Buyers in July, sellers in August.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

In the 72 starts by the trio of Williams, Musgrove, and Taillon, that part of the rotation has a 3.39 ERA. In the other 70 games, the Bucco starting rotation has a 4.71 ERA.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As disappointing as this season has been, Taillon sure has been a huge bright spot.  He's such a great story and he's turned into a very good pitcher.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Archer looked like Doug Drabek, tonight. He was dealing.

It got so bad for the Cubs, the radio team of Pat Hughes and Ron Coomer spent an entire inning discussing how the Pirates have a Kramer, a Newman and a Frazier on their roster. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Clinched a winning season tonight. Considering where the season started that is pretty amazing. Nobody saw it though. Attendance was Three Rivers bad. The FO needs to make a big splash in free agency to get the fans back. Machado would do.

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

:lmao:       But yeah not a bad season.  Just not sure what they’re building on.  The rotation could be decent.  Who knows about the bullpen but they were pretty bad this year.  Polanco probably won’t be at full strength until the 2nd half of next season at the earliest.  Who is going to help?  The rest of the lineup is meh and they don’t have any significant major league ready prospects who would even generate excitement.  My fear is that they actually overperformed this year and we saw their ceiling.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The 5 main starters they're counting on for next season---Williams, Taillon, Nova, Musgrove, and Archer---combined in 121 games for a 3.64 ERA. The other pitchers used in the rotation had 39 starts before today, for a 5.22 ERA.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.