Because we have all seen your denial routine before. His latest s***hole comment is a perfect example. He says something blatantly racist, and his apologists either spin it into something else or deny it ever happened. Wash, rinse, repeat. It's boring. And pointless.
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TobiasFunke
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It's been explained why Trump's "####hole" comment was clearly racist over and over and over again. I did here, one of countless posts and posters and articles and journalists making essentially the same point. If you'd like to discuss it further I'm happy to do it in that thread. This thread is apparently where we discuss our incredibly healthy and totally with-it president.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
Honestly, does anybody here really want to argue with Opie, Don’t Noonan and knowledge dropper over proof of Trump’s bigotry and racism? If you do, have at it. But to me it’s like the “arguments” we used to have around here about Obama’s birth certificate. “Show us proof!” they demanded. Second grade recess reasoning, and a complete waste of time.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Opie said:
- NYT
What you and Trumpites are really upset about are citizens and media commenting and speculating on Trump's health and mental condition. Reality is if the man had not offered totally spurious claims about his health publicly TWICE out of two times in his life - 1. when he lied about his health to get out of Vietnam, and 2. with the insane Dr. Bornstein report which Trumpites believed - you wouldn't deal with this stuff. That's the problem with Trump, even when he has something good going on he has to lie about it, so why should people trust him on anything?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
I believe his intent was to flush out what will be the next source of mass hysteria since Trump passed his medical exams. Several went back to their last resort staple of racism. Opie asked for an unfiltered quote directly from Trump that show he is racist. They don’t have anything, so here we are.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
- NYT
- I'll criticize Trump all day long for golfing when he should be presidenting and for basically taking public funds for his private businesses when doing so, but let's face it golf is exercise and he does a lot of it. If this was your dad or grandfather you'd say he does a pretty good job of getting out, getting fresh air and exercise. I'm kind of surprised this didn't get mentioned by Dr. Jackson.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Is it just me or is Trump's new health report suspicious?
Has always been listed as 6'2" but suddenly he's an inch taller. Don't most people get shorter with old age?
He's an inch taller and just a pound under being considered obese. Seems convenient.
The White House Dr. releases a statement on Trump's health and spells his name wrong. I know it could have been a typo written by someone else in the WH but still odd.
Compared to other people who are suppose to be that height and weight he tends to look shorter and fatter.
The whole thing is really strange.
Has always been listed as 6'2" but suddenly he's an inch taller. Don't most people get shorter with old age?
He's an inch taller and just a pound under being considered obese. Seems convenient.
The White House Dr. releases a statement on Trump's health and spells his name wrong. I know it could have been a typo written by someone else in the WH but still odd.
Compared to other people who are suppose to be that height and weight he tends to look shorter and fatter.
The whole thing is really strange.
At 6'2", his 239 lbs. would have made him 'Obese'. And given him the highest presidential BMI since President Taft. As with everyone else on the payroll, the doctor was told what to say.
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Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Golfing can be decent exercise but it's not that much unless you walk instead of riding a cart. Does he ever walk a round of golf?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Just one other thought on this - about all the reports about Trump wolfing down fast food and processed junk as part of his work routine. I think some of that is actually aggrandizement by his sycophant advisors who want to project that the man is constantly moving and going and high energy and all that. - But at the White House the guy has got a premier chef and kitchen working for him. They can manage his diet according to however they or he wants. I have no doubt he's getting the best of cuisine but also excellent product and healthy diet regimen when he's at the White House. It might even be in spite of him, but they're professionals and I'm sure they're taking care of the President of the US.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's a good point, but like I said and as is often raised he does a lot of it. I wouldn't doubt he got in 4 rounds over the holiday week just as an example.
timschochet
Footballguy
But this thread is not about Trump’s health. Per the OP, it’s about Trump’s health being the latest example of “hysteria”.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
That's not a bad point, and I see KD is driving that too. I don't mean to be rude. - eta - You can obviously discuss what you like. - I guess obviously the thrust is these anti-Trump claims were false so all other claims are false too. That's just a logical fallacy. It also overlooks that the main concerns about Trump have been behavioral not cognitive, such as narcissism and that kind of thing. I think teh fast food complaints and his weight have been more about his appearance and presidential demeanor and that kind of thing. I have to say personally I would have guessed in the ~280 lb. range myself, but I do trust Dr. Jackson.
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Hawkeye21
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Why is it I can find something suspicious but not claim it's true and you post that stupid emoji and then someone like you can post crap from Fox News or anything else that supports Trump and you claim it's an absolute truth but then complain that you're getting picked on by others if called out for it?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
The doctor issued his statement it’s done. How is this any different than someone doubting the legitimacy of a birth certificate?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
But on the other hand, how is this any different than someone doubting the legitimacy of a birth certificate?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Wait, what? I think it's a pretty huge difference since the one was an attempt to get rid of the President.
At the moment both examples seem to be lies from Trump.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Nice spin. The color of the skin had NOTHING to do with it. I guarantee if his name was different and his origin and formative years been more easily verified it would never have been questioned.
Yelling racist is such an easy cop out.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I have a question- in terms of age of all presidents, where does Trump rank? Is he the oldest? Will he be at the end of his 1st or 2nd term?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I have questions about his I.Q. and his cognition. I have greater questions about his E.Q. As for his cardio fitness he is as soft and doughy a man as I have seen in some time.bigbottom said:
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
Why is it he can't post something that has nothing to do with it but you can?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
He’s one of the oldest, but he’s also one of the richest. This may give him a natural health advantage -best doctors, food, nutritionists, etc.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
An obese man with anger control issues seems like a good stroke or heart attack candidate.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Which anti Trump claim was false?
I don’t recall anyone saying he couldn’t pass a simple test like this.
I trust the doctor...but as in the past he releases what the White House tells him too. I don’t think the numbers are as was stated. Unless he grew an inch.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Did you see that test? If Trump failed I'd hope you and anyone else who has ever supported Trump would have some serious concerns.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
CNN fat shaming Trump
They are going to have a field day with Oprah who is famous for being fat and out of shape and needing to lose pounds.
That's ok to say too - CNN has set the bar for us
They are going to have a field day with Oprah who is famous for being fat and out of shape and needing to lose pounds.
That's ok to say too - CNN has set the bar for us
I trust the doctor, but it's unlikely he performed height and weight measurements. Trump has earned the doubt.
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
YOU VOTED FOR A MAN WHO FAT SHAMES ALL THE TIME.
How can you make this your argument and not see the hypocrisy?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
That’s pretty standard for any physical. I don’t see how he wouldn’t have taken height and weight.
The color of his skin had EVERYTHING to do with it. Why didn't Trump ask to see any other Presidents' birth certificates?
Are you telling me that Ronald and the Colonel cook up special batches for their filthy rich customers?
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Trump remains unfit for the position by temperament and intellect. But, hooray, he doesn't have Alzheimer's!
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I don't watch CNN but I agree with the broader point here. Fat-shaming Trump is dumb. He doesn't care and won't see the jokes, but fat people will. That's silly, we should do better. Plenty to ridicule about Trump without getting into his obesity.
But disagree that we should let CNN or anyone else set the bar for ourselves personally. That's a terrible argument. I don't go around lying to old people to get them riled up for my own financial gain just because Fox News does it. I don't cultivate a culture of rampant sexual assault and harassment just because Fox News does it. I don't cover for my friends if they cheat on their pregnant wives with porn stars and then pay them hush money just because Fox News does it. Admittedly I might struggle with that last one. Thankfully, my friends don't put me in that position because they're not the scum of the earth.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
http://i66.tinypic.com/zlqnbl.jpg
imagine posting a fat pic of Oprah and saying " overweight and doesn't exercise, Oprah should lose some weight !! "
women would go ballistic, BBW is a great thing, don't be ashamed of body weight, right ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
According to that link, CNN is also fat shaming "most Americans" Are you disagreeing that Trump should eat better and exercise some?
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Reagan was the oldest sitting President - 77 years, 11 months when he left office.
We’ve elected 3 US Presidents who were older than 65 at their inauguration: Harrison - 65, Reagan - 69, Trump - 70 (now 71.)
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok you have to admit his age is a big factor. It's his own team that has sent out reports and pics of him with taco bowls and Big Macs to show how hard working he is. And while the slurring and wandering off and erratic behavior is maybe explainable let's at least concede that it's worrisome in a man of his age. Not 25th Amendment worrisome but definitely something that should be addressed. I'll give Trump credit for doing that with this report, but at least realize there's reason behind the concern.
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