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You are still missing the point that there are a ton of pro-gun people opposed to increased gun regulations, where as pro-alcohol people opposed to increased alcohol regulation are a scarce breed. The only push back to increase alcohol regulation is the businesses selling it. Gun owners however freak out at the notion of increased gun regulation.
California disagrees.
Why do you think California is having this issue? I think it's because of the strict gun laws. The void is being filled.
The bolded is false.
Not the way I see it. Your statement was:
Why would the culture change? It's not changing in California post ban. People that want these guns are still finding ways to obtain them.
Your stats show 70% of all the guns being confiscated by the ATF are made by the gun industry. Guns being confiscated is a fraction of all guns in California. The guns not being confiscated are highly unlikely to be made illegally. Therefor manufacturing of the gun industry is well more than 10 times that of the illegal manufacturing (and probably even more than 10x). Again, there is no ####ing possible way that criminal manufacturing alone could be so large that this country would end up with 50% of all the guns in the world.
I see what you did there. I'll cede to your point. But, it's a pointless thing to win. You admit that we won't be confiscating guns. So the illegal manufacturing will only need to fill the gaps where other manufactures can't.
Again, I'm not failing to recognize that there will be criminal gun manufacturing. I agree it exists. But the fact that the US has 50% of all the guns that exist in the world has very little to do with criminal manufacturing of guns. It's a result of legal manufacturing of guns. The culture is a result of what is legal. If prostitution was legal in this country, our culture would be filled with prostitution. Making prostitution illegal doesn't get rid of prostitution, but it drastically reduces it. The same is true for guns.
good gawd you think I intentionally did that ?
and they still have shootings
Of course they are... that's why being opposed to increased alcohol regulation is rare.
And again, California disagrees. You pointed out that 70% of the guns that were confiscated weren't ghost guns. But, I you have to look at how long it's been since regulations changed in California. What's it been, a couple of years? Imagine if the technology was available during the last federal ban.
Opposed and doing something about it are two different things.
here are the regulations anti-gun liberals want ....... the below will have ZERO impact on gun violence. LITERALLY ZERO
"Too soon"
At this point someone is going to make an agenda out of whomever it is. To me, the easy availability of guns is the issue.
I haven’t seen anyone not taking the shooting seriously. I think that people who are commenting on the shooting are (like me) sick of the intractability of people who can force any changes.
This is the political forum. For Thoughts and Prayers you might want to go to the FFA
Comedian friend (IRL) of mine on FB:
By the time the proper amount of time to allow grieving has passed, the next mass shooting will already have taken place. Thus there’s NEVER a proper time for discussion of our gun problem.
Being in the political forum doesn’t give one permission to act like a jackass
I don’t think guns have always been fetishized as widely as they are today. Just my perception.
