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Great post as usual.  The bolded sounds messed up.  

I am sure SC will be in for an abortion hot take in after I post this, but I never understood the lack of respect for life like that and the lack of understanding and respect for how we all fit together.  
That part of rational gets completely blocked out.  People who do that for fun don't see it as a lack of respect or understanding, it's just fun.  If anything it's thought of as population control, which can be somewhat accurate with certain species.

 
Sign me up for ending "killing creatures for fun" in this country as soon as possible.
fun isn't the right word you know ... well, I guess you don't know

I kill animals, its as close to organic as I can get. I don't let someone else raise and kill my meat for me all the time like most people do. That chicken sandwich or ribeye steak? someone killed it you know.

 
but I never understood the lack of respect for life like that and the lack of understanding and respect for how we all fit together.  
nobody respects wildlife more than people who hunt and fish - remember, we're the reason we have game animals, waterfowl, etc etc. Hunters/Conservationists/Fisherman etc ... we did that, not non-hunters and anti-hunters and we still 100% carry that burden even today

why?

we love wildlife, that's why. Its unique in that we hunt and fish and harvest etc ........... but the respect, admiration and love 100% is pure and real

 
Video of prairie dog shooters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9txOxsZ1TE

Again, definitely not my thing.
Are we now using extremes as general definition. You have hunt (pun intended) to find a video like this. 

How many people video tape their prairie dog hunting? Of those, how many add narration to the video? And of those, how many overlay text and rewind for super slow motion effect?

For the record, I've did none of those things when I went prairie dog hunting. I must have been doing it wrong.

 
Just so I'm clear. The acceptability of an animal suffering while being harvested is directly proportionate to the level of consumption or lack of enjoyment?

For all those that want hunters to go back to bows and black powder, there will be more animals that are wounded, end up dying a slow death, and are never found. The goal of all hunters is to have a clean, quick harvest. 

 
Are we now using extremes as general definition. You have hunt (pun intended) to find a video like this. 

How many people video tape their prairie dog hunting? Of those, how many add narration to the video? And of those, how many overlay text and rewind for super slow motion effect?

For the record, I've did none of those things when I went prairie dog hunting. I must have been doing it wrong.
You can tell me.  Google Exploding Prairie Dogs and see if I had to hunt for such videos or whether they are readily available.  See whether the folks are serious into varmint control or like the kill. See whether folks are laughing or serious.  See the use of tannerite or not.

Not my thing.  For others, so be it.  I do not try to argue against it, but I do acknowledge it.  Now one may ask if I have never done anything similar and I would not obfuscate.  As a boy, before the harvest, my grandfather would flood the silos and under the corn cribs.  This would drive rats out of their tunnels and into the open and we kids would shoot them with our .22s.  It was fun and it served a very real purpose.  In most of these prairie dog shoots the purpose is very much made up.  It is about shooting a live target, not forwarding agriculture or livestock well-being. I recognize shallow pretext when I see it.

 
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You can tell me.  Google Exploding Prairie dogs and see if I had to hunt for such videos or whether they are readily available.  See whether the folks are serious into varmint control or like the kill. See whether folks are laughing or serious.  See the use of tannerite or not.

Not my thing.  for others, so be it.  I do not try to argue against it, but I do acknowledge it.  Now one may ask if I have never done anything similar and I would not obfuscate.  As a boy, before the harvest, my grandfather would flood the silos and under the corn cribs.  This would drive rats out of their tunnels and into the open and we kids would shoot them with our .22s.  It was fun and it served a very real purpose.  In most of these prairie dog shoots the purpose is very much made up.  It is about shooting a live target, not forwarding agriculture or livestock well-being. I recognize shallow pretext when I see it.
My point was, it's not main stream. You've found an extreme corner of hunting society. My caution to others reading it, is that it is not the norm for all hunters. 

What percentage of hunters do you think hunt prairie dogs? 

What percentage of prairie dog hunters do you think video tape their kills?

We know how the ill informed anti gun crowd will take information like this and expand it to every gun owner. It's careless at best. 

 
My point was, it's not main stream. You've found an extreme corner of hunting society. My caution to others reading it, is that it is not the norm for all hunters. 

What percentage of hunters do you think hunt prairie dogs? 

What percentage of prairie dog hunters do you think video tape their kills?

We know how the ill informed anti gun crowd will take information like this and expand it to every gun owner. It's careless at best. 
It may be that it gets taken out of true context. I believe that such is more likely to happen when the subject is avoided rather than aired, but it may indeed.  I do note that it was not I who brought up varmint shooting and shooting prairie dogs in particular.

Within any group of folks there are going to be the unsavory, the outliers.  Certainly some will try to paint the whole with those few exceptions, a common and tired tactic easily met, more easily, I believe, if it is met upfront. 

For me, I look down on prairie dog hunters.  I look down on enthusiast of tannerite.  I think such folks paint us all in a negative light.  I think such folks tend to be immature.  I understand why the "lets blow #### up" crowd frightens others.  They are not thoughtful constitutionalist nor ethical sportsmen practicing herd management or resource harvesting, they are goofs.

 
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Many animals also kill their own young or eat their own feces.  Should we follow that example too?
hell no - we're better than animals, we have souls .... that's why its absurd for people to characterize any human behavior by comparing to animals

they're animals, made out of meat and skin and fur and sustenance for people and vastly renewable if managed properly.  If someone doesn't want to take their own organic meat and rather pay someone else to farm, kill, butcher and such? Fine. Don't begrudge me doing it though and if I enjoy the hunt? Even better. Sometimes I don't enjoy the hunt, sometimes its just a kill. But I get organic meat either way

 
What percentage of hunters do you think hunt prairie dogs? 
0.0002 % is my guess

I've hunted all my life, lived in most western states ... been around the colonies a lot, never shot at one much less partook in reducing their number.

its not so much hunting as it is precision shooting of small targets

 
I want to do away with hunting because I think it's silly and gross.   You know- similar to why people want to do away with video games, rap music, and porn. 
At least with Deer it is deadly on the highways and would be devastating to crops. Many people supplement their diets with waterfowl, game birds and fish. These are managed species and the revenue drawn from licenses is one of the biggest sources to study and manage sustainable populations. 

I'm one of the board pinkos but the anti hunting thing is silly and shows a lot of ignorance. I'm sorry the dead duck gets you in the feels.   

 
Just so I'm clear. The acceptability of an animal suffering while being harvested is directly proportionate to the level of consumption or lack of enjoyment?

For all those that want hunters to go back to bows and black powder, there will be more animals that are wounded, end up dying a slow death, and are never found. The goal of all hunters is to have a clean, quick harvest. 
Absolutely. Not taking marginal shots at animals likely to injure rather than kill is taught. 

 
It may be that it gets taken out of true context. I believe that such is more likely to happen when the subject is avoided rather than aired, but it may indeed.  I do note that it was not I who brought up varmint shooting and shooting prairie dogs in particular.

Within any group of folks there are going to be the unsavory, the outliers.  Certainly some will try to paint the whole with those few exceptions, a common and tired tactic easily met, more easily, I believe, if it is met upfront. 

For me, I look down on prairie dog hunters.  I look down on enthusiast of tannerite.  I think such folks paint us all in a negative light.  I think such folks tend to be immature.  I understand why the "lets blow #### up" crowd frightens others.  They are not thoughtful constitutionalist nor ethical sportsmen practicing herd management or resource harvesting, they are goofs.
In a way, prairie dog hunting is herd management. Both from the standpoint of prairie dogs and livestock. It is also about land management. 

At least you're honest in saying that you look down on prairie dog hunters. Not sure who put you on the pedestal to begin with and I wouldn't assume that those hunters look up to you. So in the end, everyone is even. 

 
More clarification please.

If I kill an ant, spider, or fly while at a picnic, am I still a murderer? Where exactly does one draw the line between good and evil? 

Gun = Bad

Flyswatter, foot, bare hand = Good.

 
In a way, prairie dog hunting is herd management. Both from the standpoint of prairie dogs and livestock. It is also about land management. 

At least you're honest in saying that you look down on prairie dog hunters. Not sure who put you on the pedestal to begin with and I wouldn't assume that those hunters look up to you. So in the end, everyone is even. 
The herd management and land management is, in my estimation, a pretext at best for folks that like to shoot ####.   9 times out of 10 these occur where there are no herds, yet I have acknowledged, forthrightly, and at least, that the point is out there, sometimes.  As for land management it destroys ecosystems, but then so too ranching if that is what it will be replaced with.  No, folks do this because they like shooting living targets, the rest is all cover in my opinion.

As for who put me on a pedestal, no one, other than myself.  I am there because I needed the view for perspective, not to be looked up to.  You seek to insult me, so be it.  I don't hope to appeal to everyone.  Regardless of my ethos in such matters I do not try to dissuade others, legislatively, or through court action, from such activity.  I try not to interfere with others unless they are directly impinging upon my rights, not my sensibilities, but my rights.  Sometimes those matters can get conflated, but I work with the light given to me up on this pedestal. 

 
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Got my wife a Bug-a-Salt gun for Mother's Day.  Now of course I got her other stuff, a card, flowers, her favorite cake, and a card to a day spa, but I got her the Bug-a-Salt as well, sort of as a gag so she could make fun of me to her girlfriends.  The present, really, was her ability to mock me. That thing sat in the closet until this weekend.  Sunday we had a large spider, out of reach to her or I with the fly swatter.  Now normally I would have just found something to extend my reach but I busted her chops a bit about her gun.  She unpackaged it, loaded it, and used it to dispatch that spider.  She loves it.  she hates guns but loves the utility of that thing.  She is conflicted and that was my present to myself.

BTW, way more expensive than I would have guessed.  I was thinking $19.99 and it was $49.99. 

 
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The herd management and land management is, in my estimation, a pretext at best for folks that like to shoot ####.   9 times out of 10 these occur where there are no herds, yet I have acknowledged, forthrightly, and at least, that the point is out there, sometimes.  As for land management it destroys ecosystems, but then so too ranching if that is what it will be replaced with.  No, folks do this because they like shooting living targets, the rest is all cover in my opinion.

As for who put me on a pedestal, no one, other than myself.  I am there because I needed the view for perspective, not to be looked up to.  You seek to insult me, so be it.  I don't hope to appeal to everyone.  Regardless of my ethos in such matters I do not try to dissuade others, legislatively, or through court action, from such activity.  I try not to interfere with others unless they are directly impinging upon my rights, not my sensibilities, but my rights.  Sometimes those matters can get conflated, but I work with the light given to me up on this pedestal. 
I don't seek to insult you. I seek to question how you look down on those that may not look up to you? 

Fortunately the stout-hearted, the resolute, the righteous cannot be bullied. insulted

 
Got my wife a Bug-a-Salt gun for Mother's Day.  Now of course I got her other stuff, a card, flowers, her favorite cake, and a card to a day spa, but I got her the Bug-a-Salt as well, sort of as a gag so she could make fun of me to her girlfriends.  The present, really, was her ability to mock me. That thing sat in the closet until this weekend.  Sunday we had a large spider, out of reach to her or I with the fly swatter.  Now normally I would have just found something to extend my reach but I busted her chops a bit about her gun.  She unpackaged it, loaded it, and used it to dispatch that spider.  She loves it.  she hates guns but loves the utility of that thing.  She is conflicted and that was my present to myself.

BTW, way more expensive than I would have guessed.  I was thinking $19.99 and it was $49.99. 
Did it kill the spider or just stun it?

 
Got my wife a Bug-a-Salt gun for Mother's Day.  Now of course I got her other stuff, a card, flowers, her favorite cake, and a card to a day spa, but I got her the Bug-a-Salt as well, sort of as a gag so she could make fun of me to her girlfriends.  The present, really, was her ability to mock me. That thing sat in the closet until this weekend.  Sunday we had a large spider, out of reach to her or I with the fly swatter.  Now normally I would have just found something to extend my reach but I busted her chops a bit about her gun.  She unpackaged it, loaded it, and used it to dispatch that spider.  She loves it.  she hates guns but loves the utility of that thing.  She is conflicted and that was my present to myself.

BTW, way more expensive than I would have guessed.  I was thinking $19.99 and it was $49.99. 
Add it to the ban list. 

 
At least with Deer it is deadly on the highways and would be devastating to crops. Many people supplement their diets with waterfowl, game birds and fish. These are managed species and the revenue drawn from licenses is one of the biggest sources to study and manage sustainable populations. 

I'm one of the board pinkos but the anti hunting thing is silly and shows a lot of ignorance. I'm sorry the dead duck gets you in the feels.   
That was a sarcastic post.  I am not anti-hunting, its just one of those things I dont get.  

 
More clarification please.

If I kill an ant, spider, or fly while at a picnic, am I still a murderer? Where exactly does one draw the line between good and evil? 

Gun = Bad

Flyswatter, foot, bare hand = Good.
I catch and release when I can.  If I can manage to catch pests in the house alive I will plop them back outside.   Doesn't always work, but I try.  

 
nobody respects wildlife more than people who hunt and fish - remember, we're the reason we have game animals, waterfowl, etc etc. Hunters/Conservationists/Fisherman etc ... we did that, not non-hunters and anti-hunters and we still 100% carry that burden even today

why?

we love wildlife, that's why. Its unique in that we hunt and fish and harvest etc ........... but the respect, admiration and love 100% is pure and real
I know its anecdotal, but my experience growing up was not quite the respect you describe here.  Live in a small town area with a lot of hunters, and they weren't shy about killing a squirrel or bird just 'cuz, swerving to run over an animal with their car, etc...   none of that is respect for wildlife.  

Again, I am not saying that is every hunter or even more than the small %, but it was my experience with the people I grew up with.  

 
McJose said:
This is why we need to give kids guns.  


KCitons said:
Or a drug dealing thug? Possible.
Exactly. If we give guns to kids they can protect themselves from “drug dealing thugs”.  

The more guns out there the safer we are.  That’s pretty much the anti-gun control mantra, no?

 
What are you saying?
Sheriff Bart posted a link about a bunch of kids being shot in STL.

Wouldn’t the solution be to give kids guns?  You know , a “good guy with a gun” and all that jazz. 

 
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Sheriff Bart posted a link about a bunch of kids being shot in STL.

Wouldn’t the solution be to give kids guns?  You, a “good guy with a gun” and all that jazz. 
Where did I ever say "good guy with a gun". 

I think you have your C's mixed up. I'm KC, not SC. 

But, you seem to know a lot about these St Louis shootings? You could be looking at a $100k reward.

 
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I know its anecdotal, but my experience growing up was not quite the respect you describe here.  Live in a small town area with a lot of hunters, and they weren't shy about killing a squirrel or bird just 'cuz, swerving to run over an animal with their car, etc...   none of that is respect for wildlife.  

Again, I am not saying that is every hunter or even more than the small %, but it was my experience with the people I grew up with.  
doesn't like anything I'm familiar with at all

I'd say the people you're describing aren't hunters at all .... I mean do you know how many people swerve to kill snakes or chop them up with a hoe in their yards etc? I hate that, I love snakes. People in general have no issues letting the Humane Society kill 95% of the animals dropped off there, they don't mind chicken farms killing millions of chickens, or turkeys at Thanksgiving or the cows that their burger came from ..... but me shooting a squirrel bothers them greatly?

 
what is your conclusion on this ?

the guy wasn't supposed to be armed - per the contract right? are you asking for prison sentence or??

good guys with guns showed up and stopped the shooting, are you saying you want police to be unarmed?? had they not shown up, who knows how many would have been killed 

a very reasonable outcome could have also been the STEM school guard (who wasn't supposed to be armed) responds exactly right and and the shooters dead, no students injured. 

don't take one instance and blanket label - mistakes and errors always happen, police shoots mistakenly every year. Do you want them unarmed? Its the greater good that police DO offset the rare mistakes? The goal is 100% error free, they're trying. 

 
doesn't like anything I'm familiar with at all

I'd say the people you're describing aren't hunters at all .... I mean do you know how many people swerve to kill snakes or chop them up with a hoe in their yards etc? I hate that, I love snakes. People in general have no issues letting the Humane Society kill 95% of the animals dropped off there, they don't mind chicken farms killing millions of chickens, or turkeys at Thanksgiving or the cows that their burger came from ..... but me shooting a squirrel bothers them greatly?
Do you have a special designation for "hunters"  and people who hunt?  Yes, they were hunters.  Small town WI - a pretty big portion of the population hunts around here.  

Or you calling me a liar?  ;)

I would say that someone having a problem with you hunting but not thinking about the factory farms their food comes from has a disconnect, yes.  Finally something we can agree on....

 
doesn't like anything I'm familiar with at all

I'd say the people you're describing aren't hunters at all .... I mean do you know how many people swerve to kill snakes or chop them up with a hoe in their yards etc? I hate that, I love snakes. People in general have no issues letting the Humane Society kill 95% of the animals dropped off there, they don't mind chicken farms killing millions of chickens, or turkeys at Thanksgiving or the cows that their burger came from ..... but me shooting a squirrel bothers them greatly?
My current home encroaches into historic range for prairie dogs, and so too, then, prairie rattlers.  Less and less over the years do we see a rattlesnake, though they were not uncommon when we first moved in.  My wife is deathly afraid of snakes, me, I appreciate them for what they are.  Generally that means when I encountered one I would get my rake, rake it into a garbage can, close the lid, drive it out 10 miles or so and then dump the live snake out there. This I would do without my wife's participation or direct knowledge until after the fact.

About two, maybe three years ago the neighbors kids were scurrying along looking at something in the grass.  This drew my wife's attention, turned out it was a prairie rattler and it was headed for our yard.  She shrieked.  I came out of the back yard to find her apoplectic.  It had gone into the foliage along our front porch, I had to get it out and kill it. "Kill it?" I asked.  "Yes."  Well I could not see where it had gone, precisely.  I was not even precisely sure that she knew a rattlesnake from a garter or a hog nose, but O.K.  I think how to get it to come out to where I could deal with it.  I got out a sprinkler.  Ground water here is 58 degrees. I started sprinkling the bushes while standing very still so as to not create vibrations.  I figured it would get cool, want to return to the sun, and would come out.  Sure enough, a half hour later or so it did.  I took the rake and was working it towards the garbage can, my preferred method when she told me again to dispatch it.  Well I have done things against my better judgment for her before so no big deal, I grabbed a nearby spade and dispatched it.  a needless death from my perspective, but one that gave her some comfort.  After I used the rake to scoop the body and the head into the trash can, thinking my work was done.  Nope.  The corpse had to be driven at least ten miles away and dumped, she would not have it at our house.  Fine.  I didn't tell her about the one I saw a few weeks ago.  I just took it out to the country. 

I do not love snakes, but I do admire them.

 
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So the solution to all of the children being shot and murdered in St Louis is......the usual? There's just nothing that can be done same as after every mass murder? 

Neat country. 

 

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