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Steelers are reportedly set to sign special teams ace/safety Nat Berhe, formerly of the NY Giants.
I'm a fan, not necessarily of him personally, but just getting someone to replace Golden. Our ST used to be crap, and I'd rather not go back to that.Steelers are reportedly set to sign special teams ace/safety Nat Berhe, formerly of the NY Giants.
They do whatever they have planned which makes them unpredictable, ironically. The Steelers board is always a board that is independent of all the rhetoric and hype and BS that is put out there. I will say that if you’re inclined to be predictive they have been all about high SPARQ defensive players in all the drafts since the Jarvis Jones fiasco. A lot of players I’ve thought about (Edmunds, Vander Esch, James) have picked up a lot of steam and will not be there when they draft. Dallas Goedert or Mike Gesicki could be two “surprise” types I could see. I think they probably want a ILB. I’m not sure the seconds tier LB’s fit the bill but in that column you have Rashaan Evans, Malik Jefferson and Jerome Baker. I think the first may be a reach for any of them. One guy I could potentially see slip that would maybe frustrate people because Bud Dupree is still in town is Marcus Davenport. Of course there is always taking DB help or drafting in a position they’ve identified as a need that the fan base doesn’t see as a need (like RB, WR, OL, QB).Is it just me or does the Steelers' draft pick seem like much more of a toss-up than recent years? I think I've seen around 15+ different people mocked to us in the first round, whereas most years it seems whittled down to ~5 by April. My money is still on LVE if he lasts til 28, but I'm pretty sure he will be gone. Thus, I have no clue.
I don't think Davenport will slip, but it's possible. Teams covet pass rushers, I think both he and Landry will be gone by 28. One guy I would drool over but is sure to be gone by then is Derwin James. God, he'd be PERFECT at SS if they move Davis to FS.They do whatever they have planned which makes them unpredictable, ironically. The Steelers board is always a board that is independent of all the rhetoric and hype and BS that is put out there. I will say that if you’re inclined to be predictive they have been all about high SPARQ defensive players in all the drafts since the Jarvis Jones fiasco. A lot of players I’ve thought about (Edmunds, Vander Esch, James) have picked up a lot of steam and will not be there when they draft. Dallas Goedert or Mike Gesicki could be two “surprise” types I could see. I think they probably want a ILB. I’m not sure the seconds tier LB’s fit the bill but in that column you have Rashaan Evans, Malik Jefferson and Jerome Baker. I think the first may be a reach for any of them. One guy I could potentially see slip that would maybe frustrate people because Bud Dupree is still in town is Marcus Davenport. Of course there is always taking DB help or drafting in a position they’ve identified as a need that the fan base doesn’t see as a need (like RB, WR, OL, QB).
There's often someone unexpected who falls, just not sure if they fall all the way to us. They might fall to the late teens and then we'd need to trade up to grab them. It's possible that one of the top guys like James, Ward, Fitzpatrick, Edmunds falls into the late teens, maybe around the Cards/Ravens/Chargers. I'd rather us trade to move up and grab one of them, even if it costs us 28, 92, and next year's 3rd, or something like that. We could really use another game changer on defense, since we've probably lost one. I highly doubt we'd trade with the Ravens, but they could move back and grab a good WR, and load up on picks, while we take a stud. (though they'd probably just take BPA)Evilgrin 72 said:I don't think Davenport will slip, but it's possible. Teams covet pass rushers, I think both he and Landry will be gone by 28. One guy I would drool over but is sure to be gone by then is Derwin James. God, he'd be PERFECT at SS if they move Davis to FS.
I picked him at #28 in the last Shark Pool mock and got a few "Is EG still around? Are we really going with this guy as the Steelers pick? Seems like an awful reach..." type of posts. Fast forward a couple months and we're debating whether or not he'll "fall" to #28.5-ish Finkle said:Vander Esch could be one of the guys who linger. "Only one year of top production" (albeit mostly due to injuries), competition not Power 5, etc., etc. That sort of stuff can scare some GMs when the rubber meets the road.
I'll admit I didn't like him at first. Still not crazy about him, but I don't think that there's going to be any great players left at 28.I picked him at #28 in the last Shark Pool mock and got a few "Is EG still around? Are we really going with this guy as the Steelers pick? Seems like an awful reach..." type of posts. Fast forward a couple months and we're debating whether or not he'll "fall" to #28.
I like him and would be happy if they take him. Yeah, he's inexperienced but he's been a winner on the field his whole life, has fantastic size/speed scores, phenomenal explosion/agility numbers, he's a sure tackler, could potentially play inside or outside, and has terrific intangibles and motor. The only real knocks on him are inexperience and functional play strength. Those are the types of weaknesses that can be overcome with work and coaching. That's what I look for when evaluating late first rounders (as we lucky Steelers fans must do almost annually.) If he was without any warts, he'd be gone long before 28. So, I try to find guys whose weaknesses are easier to overcome if they have a strong work ethic. Exact same reasons I was high on Watt last year.I'll admit I didn't like him at first. Still not crazy about him, but I don't think that there's going to be any great players left at 28.
They view him as a #1 and gave him a contract as such. Not sure how or why this would affect Bell except if we were offering $15 mil per year average, and could point and say, look, #1 WR money.Jarvis Landry's ridiculous new contract kills any chance Bell signs a long term deal. Landry gets 75.5M for 5 years. For a freaking possession receiver!
Nobody views Landry as a #1 including Landry. He ranks 108th out of 110 wide receivers in air yards per target over the last four seasons - he will play slot for the Browns.They view him as a #1 and gave him a contract as such. Not sure how or why this would affect Bell except if we were offering $15 mil per year average, and could point and say, look, #1 WR money.
Just because Miami only chose to use him in a possession receiver capacity doesn't mean that's all he can be, or all the Browns think he will be.
Shame he soured his legacy with his antics just to force his way out to lose a Super Bowl, but he did get to go to another, so maybe it was worth it.James Harrison announced his retirement today.
Great career and made possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. Too bad he had to be a jerk on his way out but he was one helluva football player.
Landry's contract is the 5th highest in the NFL, you don't pay that to a player you think is outside the top 32. He was 13th, 10th, and 17th the last 3 years in yards receiving in the NFL. He may not be a top 10 or even top 15 WR, but there are 32 "#1 WRs" in the NFL. His contract reflects a #1 WR contract.Nobody views Landry as a #1 including Landry. He ranks 108th out of 110 wide receivers in air yards per target over the last four seasons - he will play slot for the Browns.
47M guaranteed/avg of 15.5M per year - that will certainly get Bell's attention.
The Steelers are not going to approach those type of numbers in a contract offer, especially the guaranteed money amount.
In my opinion, Bell will be even more convinced the amount of money he wants is justified.
I'm not going to hold it against him. He helped us win a Super Bowl, he's not going to play against us again, and he helped make our defense fun to watch for many years. The Steelers' Brass mislead him, and he acted like an ### to get somewhere he could play one last time. I was upset when it happened, but he was a great Steeler and I'm willing to let bygones be bygones.James Harrison announced his retirement today.
Great career and made possibly the greatest play in Super Bowl history. Too bad he had to be a jerk on his way out but he was one helluva football player.
I didn't have a problem when he went to the Bengals and really once he was released it didn't bother me that he went to the Patriots (mainly cause he had little left in the tank). I do have a HUGE problem with the way he behaved and orchestrated his release -- it was very unprofessional. I also don't believe he was misled at all by the Steelers. Harrison knows full well that football is all about winning and the coaching staff is going to field the players that they feel gives them the best chance to do that. He could have been a mentor and helped the younger players but instead was divisive and acted like a big crybaby.I'm not going to hold it against him. He helped us win a Super Bowl, he's not going to play against us again, and he helped make our defense fun to watch for many years. The Steelers' Brass mislead him, and he acted like an ### to get somewhere he could play one last time. I was upset when it happened, but he was a great Steeler and I'm willing to let bygones be bygones.
He was always rough around the edges, I'm not sure I expected him to act any different. He didn't seem like the mentor-type to me, which may be biased, but to me he was more of the guy who does the dirty work. Kind of like a less ***hole-ish Burfict. You love having him on your team, other teams hate him, and he has some plays that are definitely dirty (like pile driving Colt McCoy). I can't picture Burfict as a locker room mentor, even if he becomes one, that's not who I picture him as.I didn't have a problem when he went to the Bengals and really once he was released it didn't bother me that he went to the Patriots (mainly cause he had little left in the tank). I do have a HUGE problem with the way he behaved and orchestrated his release -- it was very unprofessional. I also don't believe he was misled at all by the Steelers. Harrison knows full well that football is all about winning and the coaching staff is going to field the players that they feel gives them the best chance to do that. He could have been a mentor and helped the younger players but instead was divisive and acted like a big crybaby.
I am sure that over time my anger towards Harrison will fade but for now I am still pissed. He was a great player for the Steelers and I'll never forget that but he sure was a richard on his way out.
I never said the Steelers offer to Bell was unfair. I think it is way more than fair but the only thing that matters is what Bell thinks is fair.Landry's contract is the 5th highest in the NFL, you don't pay that to a player you think is outside the top 32. He was 13th, 10th, and 17th the last 3 years in yards receiving in the NFL. He may not be a top 10 or even top 15 WR, but there are 32 "#1 WRs" in the NFL. His contract reflects a #1 WR contract.
Paul Richardson, Marqise Lee, Michael Crabtree, and Albert Wilson, those are #2 WRs. They all got paid around $8 million per year.
McKinnon, Dion Lewis, and Carlos Hyde were the 3 highest paid RBs in this offseason. They're not as good as Bell, obviously, but they made around an average of $6 million per year. If you add that to the money paid to #2 WRs, it comes to $14 million a year, aka our recent offer.
An offer that is almost double what the next highest player at his position gets paid is definitely a fair offer. And claiming Landry isn't a #1 WR is ridiculous, it doesn't matter how far the ball travels before it gets to him.
Landry IS NOT a #1 WR in the NFL. He’s not the #1 WR on his own team; Gordon is. You can talk all you want about his contract, & how they view him, but he’s not the #1 WR on his own team, nor is he an NFL “#1” WR.Landry's contract is the 5th highest in the NFL, you don't pay that to a player you think is outside the top 32. He was 13th, 10th, and 17th the last 3 years in yards receiving in the NFL. He may not be a top 10 or even top 15 WR, but there are 32 "#1 WRs" in the NFL. His contract reflects a #1 WR contract.
Paul Richardson, Marqise Lee, Michael Crabtree, and Albert Wilson, those are #2 WRs. They all got paid around $8 million per year.
McKinnon, Dion Lewis, and Carlos Hyde were the 3 highest paid RBs in this offseason. They're not as good as Bell, obviously, but they made around an average of $6 million per year. If you add that to the money paid to #2 WRs, it comes to $14 million a year, aka our recent offer.
An offer that is almost double what the next highest player at his position gets paid is definitely a fair offer. And claiming Landry isn't a #1 WR is ridiculous, it doesn't matter how far the ball travels before it gets to him.
Hopefully not the same doctor that examined and cleared Ladarius GreenI saw his college coach on tv last night, and he said he has no issues and at the end of the year was healthy. Didnt know where those reports were coming from. Maybe smoke? Diversion? But I am sure the Steelers will look him over before drafting him(if they draft him).
I don't know how realistic it is but what would you feel about a draft like this:Mock Draft I'd be Happiest with right now based on visits and a compilation of rankings:
It's not perfect, and according to some rankings players are either reaches or expected to be gone, but it's all a guess. Got ILB, WR, S, TE, G, ILB, OL. An assumption I made going in was that the Steelers expect to either resign Leveon, or just roll with Conner and Ridley, and then worry about RB again next year.
- 28 - Leighton Vander Esch, ILB - If he's there, I'm not sure how we pass on him at this point. The dots are being connected by almost everyone in the business.
- 60 - Christian Kirk, WR - We lost Eli Rogers, and are going to lose Bryant next year. Kirk is a very talented slot WR, a decent upgrade over Rogers, and will make our WR corps excellent for years to come, after Bryant has moved on. Also, a great return man, 6 punt return TDs.
- 92 - Kyzir White, S - Solid box safety to pair with Davis and Wilcox.
- 148 - Ian Thomas, TE - A very raw prospect who has the underlying traits to become a great TE. Drafting him to work behind Jesse James and Vance McDonald would allow him to grow into the NFL and take over in a year or two.
- 165 - Alex Cappa, G - We'll need a replacement for Foster if he leaves in FA after this year. Cappa had a good showing at the senior bowl against top talent.
- 220 - Shaun Dion Hamilton, ILB - Basically, a crapshoot on a very talented player cut down by injury. If Shazier never plays again, I think we need 2 new ILBs. I don't think that Williams is the long-term answer. A 7th round pick is a gamble anyways, but SDH was going to be the starting LB for Bama this year if he didn't have a random injury. I'd happily take a gamble in the 7th on a potential future starter.
- 246 - Jordan Mailata, OL - He's a rugby star, but if anyone can turn him into an offensive lineman, it's Munchak. I'd be happiest if he became a reliable guard, because Foster is gone after this year if we don't resign him.
If our FO is sure that Bell is gone next year, then I'd be happy with it. Reid looks like a playmaker in the secondary, and Jefferson has a chance to be a tackle machine at ILB. Lots of upside with this haul, but I wonder why Penny wasn't able to beat out Donnel Pumphrey.I don't know how realistic it is but what would you feel about a draft like this:
1 (28) - Justin Reid, S - Stanford
2 (60) - Malik Jefferson, ILB - Texas
3 (92) - Rashaad Penny, RB - San Diego State
5 (148)- Duke Dawson, CB - Florida
5 (165)- Russell Gage Jr.,WR - LSU
7 (220)- Chris Worley, ILB – Ohio State
7 (246)- Jordan Mailata, OT – South Sydney
I like it. Are you calling Colbert or should I?If our FO is sure that Bell is gone next year, then I'd be happy with it. Reid looks like a playmaker in the secondary, and Jefferson has a chance to be a tackle machine at ILB. Lots of upside with this haul, but I wonder why Penny wasn't able to beat out Donnel Pumphrey.
What if instead we went 1 - Reid, 2 - Chubb, 3 - Trade down into 4, gain an extra late pick. 4 - Shaquem Griffin, ILB?
Some people are putting Griffin in rounds 2 or 3, but I think with his handicap, he goes 4 or later. He is fast as hell, and has great instincts. I think he could be solid in coverage next to our bruiser, Williams. It's a big risk, but with a potential big reward.
The closer we get to the draft, the less things seem to make sense. Just saw a mock where LVE fell to the end of the 2nd, past us, due to his potential neck issue. If we're able to get Jaire Alexander or Reid, AND Vander Esch, I will spontaneously start dancing in my living room.I like it. Are you calling Colbert or should I?
After Jarvis Jones, they may stay away from neck issues.steelers1080 said:The closer we get to the draft, the less things seem to make sense. Just saw a mock where LVE fell to the end of the 2nd, past us, due to his potential neck issue. If we're able to get Jaire Alexander or Reid, AND Vander Esch, I will spontaneously start dancing in my living room.
I think that was less to do with Jones neck issue and more to do with his complete lack of athleticism. They have made sure to emphasize athletic traits that are above league average since that pick and its paid dividends.After Jarvis Jones, they may stay away from neck issues.
2015 - Dupree is top 3 at his position in SPARQI think that was less to do with Jones neck issue and more to do with his complete lack of athleticism. They have made sure to emphasize athletic traits that are above league average since that pick and its paid dividends.
If he stays healthy, he's going to break out.I am happy they picked up Bud’s option.
I would throw up if they did this.Unlikely trade scenario: Seattle gives pick 18 and we take a solid ILB there.
Steelers give pick 28, 2019 4th, and Martavis Bryant.
From the armchair, agree with the trend of the best combination of high SPAQ scores and football passion. Dealing with guys like Bryant who have all the talent in the world but no desire is frustrating. Explains how we ended up with Burns as a high pick despite lesser athleticism.2015 - Dupree is top 3 at his position in SPARQ
2016 - Sean Davis is top 3 at his position in SPARQ, but Burns is low, around 78.
2017 - Watt is #4 as an EDGE player in SPARQ
2018 - Harold Landry is #5 at his position, Lorenzo Carter is #1, Leighton Vander Esch is #2, Malik Jefferson is #5, Mike Gesicki is #1, Josh Jackson is #6, Terrell Edmunds is #2, DJ Moore is #3, Courtland Sutton is #6
I wouldn't be surprised if we took 1 or 2 of those players in the 1st or 2nd round.
Not going to happen, but the Bryant trade scenario that makes the most sense in my little skull, involves Dallas. The top tier WR are thin, so Dallas could acquire Martavis Bryant in a prove you're a #1 picture and slide down to take a need at another position at 1.29. Dallas gets 2 starters with 1 pick and PIT moves up to get ???.Unlikely trade scenario: Seattle gives pick 18 and we take a solid ILB there.
Steelers give pick 28, 2019 4th, and Martavis Bryant.
I think the Steelers are absolutely in a "win it this year" mentality considering that Lev Bell is almost certainly a goner, Bryant is likely out and you never know when Ben is going to hang up the spikes. For this reason I don't see them trading Bryant unless they got a really sweet deal.Not going to happen, but the Bryant trade scenario that makes the most sense in my little skull, involves Dallas. The top tier WR are thin, so Dallas could acquire Martavis Bryant in a prove you're a #1 picture and slide down to take a need at another position at 1.29. Dallas gets 2 starters with 1 pick and PIT moves up to get ???.
There used to be. It was every player that Gruden would refer to as a "grinder'.From the armchair, agree with the trend of the best combination of high SPAQ scores and football passion. Dealing with guys like Bryant who have all the talent in the world but no desire is frustrating. Explains how we ended up with Burns as a high pick despite lesser athleticism.
Are there any reports that rate prospects by who eats, drinks and sleeps football?
Please no Russel Gage :XHoping for Evans, a little worried about Vander Esch, expect both to be gone by 28 so...
1 S Justin Reid, Stanford
2 LB Darius Leonard, South Carolina State*
3 RB Rashaad Penny, San Diego State
5a CB Duke Dawson, Florida
5b WR Russell Gage Jr, LSU
7a LB Chris Worley, Ohio State
7b OT Jordan Mailata, South Sydney
* Originally I had the Steelers taking Texas LB Malik Jefferson here but the more I read about him the more I heard some questioning his drive, passion for the game, was a bit of a malcontent at Texas, etc. That could be a lot of BS, I assume the Steelers will/have vetted him and will do the right thing.