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*** Official 2018 San Francisco 49ers thread *** (1 Viewer)

They overpaid for sure but if he is healthy, he's just a leader on a defense.  It was like Patrick Willis.  He just made everyone around him better.  
They might have to address safety early in the 2nd round, although I've been hoping someone like Riley Ridley falls to them there, but that's prob doubtful. 

 
They overpaid for sure but if he is healthy, he's just a leader on a defense.  It was like Patrick Willis.  He just made everyone around him better.  
That can't be underestimated

When SF let Lott go to the Raiders, they got a good lesson in how important a leader on defense is, even if his skills have diminished somewhat.  One of the reasons I wanted Thomas as well.

 
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That can't be underestimated

When SF let Lott go to the Raiders, they got a good lesson in how important a leader on defense is, even if his skills have diminished somewhat.  One of the reasons I wanted Thomas as well.
Yea,  I couldn't agree more.  A rookie is fine but a guy like Thomas - the defense just coalesces around.  They become so much better a unit because of his presence

Woodsen was another guy that wasn't the same when he went to the packers but he made them infinitely better

 
LINKY

Dee Ford's Pro Football Focus stats in 2018 were ridiculous

The need for an impact pass rusher in San Francisco wasn’t a secret. Their productivity getting to the quarterback off the edge in 2018 was part of the reason their defense struggled and came up with an NFL record low two interceptions. Trading for Dee Ford may solve a large part of their problem at that position.

Ford’s traditional stats were exceptional. He had 13 sacks, which tied for seventh-most in the league and would’ve led the 49ers. San Francisco’s leading edge rusher last season, Cassius Marsh, had 5.5 sacks.

Ford also led the NFL with seven forced fumbles. The 49ers had seven takeaways all year on defense – the worst mark in the league.

Analytics were also very kind to Ford in his fifth season. His stats on Pro Football Focus were dominant to the point of absurdity.

He led the league with 71 pressures in the regular season and 84 between the regular season and playoffs according to PFF. Ford also had a league-high 35 quarterback knockdowns, which is a stat that combines sacks and quarterback hits. His pressure rate came in at 15.1 percent, good for the fifth-best mark in all of football. All of that earned him a league-high 91.0 overall grade from the analytics site.

 
LINKY

Dee Ford's Pro Football Focus stats in 2018 were ridiculous

The need for an impact pass rusher in San Francisco wasn’t a secret. Their productivity getting to the quarterback off the edge in 2018 was part of the reason their defense struggled and came up with an NFL record low two interceptions. Trading for Dee Ford may solve a large part of their problem at that position.

Ford’s traditional stats were exceptional. He had 13 sacks, which tied for seventh-most in the league and would’ve led the 49ers. San Francisco’s leading edge rusher last season, Cassius Marsh, had 5.5 sacks.

Ford also led the NFL with seven forced fumbles. The 49ers had seven takeaways all year on defense – the worst mark in the league.

Analytics were also very kind to Ford in his fifth season. His stats on Pro Football Focus were dominant to the point of absurdity.

He led the league with 71 pressures in the regular season and 84 between the regular season and playoffs according to PFF. Ford also had a league-high 35 quarterback knockdowns, which is a stat that combines sacks and quarterback hits. His pressure rate came in at 15.1 percent, good for the fifth-best mark in all of football. All of that earned him a league-high 91.0 overall grade from the analytics site.
I was a little concerned about him being a one hit wonder, but sometimes it just takes a few years to develop.  Looks like this might be the case here.

He got a big contract, but so did Trey Flowers.  Think this money was well spent.

 
Like it too. Will be interesting to see if McKinnon is cut since there is no guaranteed money left or if they use them both. 

Drummer is on full troll alert over at Niner Nation calling out every deal they are making. Don’t post there but enjoy seeing the meltdowns on every move. 

 
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Jordan Matthews. Meh. I guess we will be drafting a WR.
Yeah, nothing to get excited about for sure. Don’t want him to be part of the main group of WRs but as a #4 situational receiver type, he could be useful. Gives them a bigger target in the red zone. I haven’t seen details of contract but assume a cheap one year.  

Assuming no moves on draft day, I see them using pick #36 for a WR. 

 
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Looks like the splash signings are done so on to the draft.  

Happy overall with what they did. Counting the trade for Ford, they filled huge needs at edge and LB with guys who can create turnovers, something they obviously lacked the past few seasons. Coleman adds a playmaker and was too good of a bargain to pass up and gives them protection against McKinnon not coming back 100 percent. Love the gamble on Verrett for a potential impact CB. Matthews not exciting but could find a nice role as a #4 red zone receiver. 

Didn’t like the Ward signing. Always hurt and unlike Verrett, even if he stays healthy, “solid” player at best with no real upside.  Guess they like his versatility, but would much rather have had Ha Ha after you see what the Bears scored him for. Maybe he took less to play for a contender on his one year prove it deal, but that was a great signing by Chicago. Also, would have preferred to put the 5 million toward a deal with Tre Boston. Oh well, maybe a outlier and he makes it through a whole season. 

Nice job so far Lynch and Peters. Nail the draft and we could have a fun 2019. 

 
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As an aside, this comment on Niner Nation is too classic of a negative spin to not share:

”Signing Tevin Coleman adds uncertainty to the 49er backfield”. 

😳

 
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Cutting Marsh pretty much insures they go edge with their first pick, even if they trade down. I also think they like Blair over Marsh as depth.  Just no room for all of them. 

Looks like they did the same thing with Marsh that they did with Kilgore last year. Sign him until they had insured they had someone better locked up and then get rid of him. Looks like no dead money from cutting him loose.

 
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/19/49ers-sign-punter-justin-vogel/

The 49ers signed punter Justin Vogel, the team announced Tuesday.

San Francisco finds itself in need of a punter after losing Bradley Pinion, who signed with the Buccaneers last week.

Vogel originally entered the NFL in 2017, signing with the Packers as an undrafted free agent. He appeared in all 16 games as a rookie and punted 71 times for a 44.4 average with a 41.6 net average.

Vogel, 25, was a Pro Bowl alternate for that season. The Packers, though, waived Vogel last May 4, and the Browns claimed him off waivers.

Cleveland waived him out of the preseason, and Vogel was out of the league last season

 
Interesting read, but its just one guys opinion.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2048-49ers-defensive-line-creates-tough-decisions-lynch/

49ers’ Defensive Line Creates Tough Decisions for John Lynch

Popular opinion has been that the 49ers are going to select Nick Bosa with the #2 pick in the draft, if he is available. Bosa is the consensus choice as the best edge rusher coming out of college, something that is tough to argue. Some believe that the 49ers will actually select Quinnen Williams, the defensive tackle out of Alabama, seeing him as possibly someone to pair with DeForest Buckner and the newly signed Dee Ford, and maybe adding Justin Houston, to create a front four that is all but unblockable. Both of these points of view are wonderful to consider, particularly since 49er fans have been starved for a good pass rush for several years, and the thought of seeing Russell Wilson and Jared Goff being swarmed over repeatedly is almost enough to bring tears to the eyes.

Both of these options, however, bring serious questions and significant problems to the team.

Every 49er fan knows that the team has invested numerous high draft picks in their defensive front. Arik Armstead was a first-round pick (Number 17 overall) in 2015. Buckner was drafted 7th overall in 2016, and Solomon Thomas third overall in 2017. They drafted Kentavius Street last year in the 4th round, where he was available only because he had torn an ACL during a pre-draft workout with the Giants; otherwise, he would have been considered by a number of teams in the first two rounds as well. The Niners allowed him last season to rehab the knee, eyeing a healthy return in 2019 and a hopefully significant contribution to the defense going forward. That's three first-round picks and a fourth with arguably first-round talent. They traded for Ford last week, giving them another player drafted early (23rd overall) in the rotation.

Ford was picked up to play the LEO (weak-side defensive end) position. Buckner is the strong-side defensive tackle, or the 3, lining up somewhere between over the guard to outside shade on the tackle, depending on the defensive front called. Armstead has been playing the big end position, lining up on the tight end. If the 49ers drafted Bosa, Armstead would likely give up the big end slot to him. While this would bring an assumed improvement in the pass rush, Bosa is nowhere near as large as Armstead, meaning that he would likely struggle against the run, particularly with the much larger, stronger and more skilled tackles that he will face in the NFL. Ford is already a concern against the run, because he is actually a linebacker who will be playing end. Drafting Bosa would also mean that Solomon Thomas would rarely see the field at all – unless he and Armstead were shifted to the second defensive tackle position, which was manned by Earl Mitchell last year and looks to be D.J. Jones' spot in 2019. Why not just put them in for Jones, you ask? Because that position, the 1, is an absolutely glory-free position manned by an incredibly strong and sturdy player who can take on double teams regularly, sink his hips and clog up the middle of the line, occupying blockers to allow the linebackers to run free and make plays. Armstead is too tall to play that position, and Thomas is simply too light, weighing some 35 or 40 pounds less than Jones. Drafting Bosa would both weaken the edges of their run defense and force the 49ers to either play Armstead out of position or formulate some sort of line rotation where highly-paid players would become situational. That is a huge waste of money, and could well result in resentment and problems among the players over perceived lack of playing time. I have not even mentioned Street, Jullian Taylor or Ronald Blair here. There are too many bodies, too many good players, on the defensive line.

Let's look at the situation if Quinnen Williams is the selection. Armstead and Thomas could remain at the strong-side end position, with Buckner at the 3 and Ford at the LEO, with Williams being relegated to the 1. That is not his game. He is quick and explosive, a larger (and as yet unproven) version of Aaron Donald. Donald cannot play the 1, as he is too small, and Williams would face the same problem based upon his playing style. He is not a guy you want to relegate to eating up double teams like Tony Siragusa and creating a pile in the middle of the field. That would be an utter waste of his skills, would frustrate him and would infuriate the fan base, who would expect him to wreak havoc in the backfield. Because the mike linebacker, Fred Warner, is quite undersized, they could not go to a straight 4-3 defense and let Warner take on a guard or the center on every running play. He would get washed out regularly by men outweighing him by 75 pounds. The defense is designed to have one tackle play the blocker-gobbling role, and the team needs a player, or players, who can do this. Williams would be a truly bad pick for this purpose, given the defensive scheme and roster make-up.

So what does this leave? Honestly, and I cannot believe that I am writing this, because I LOVE Bosa, the team should try to trade down to get two picks (hello, Giants, hello, Raiders), take an edge linebacker who can cover as well, and slide him into the strong-side 'backer position currently manned by the tandem of Malcolm Smith and Mark Nzeocha. They could use the second pick on a free safety, a guard, a wide receiver, a corner, or some other position of need, and would still have a very high second-round pick to fill another hole. If they have to stand pat, I think they should draft Josh Allen, as he fills the above role. He is a linebacker, can rush the passer quite well, and can cover. He could even move to defensive end in nickel situations to rush the passer.

There are other options, of course. Trading Armstead would free up the spot for Bosa, and Thomas could become a situational interior rusher at the 1 spot. Trading Thomas would let Armstead rotate in with Bosa and Ford, particularly in run downs, and he might be able to rush from inside on obvious passing downs. Neither Armstead nor Thomas would likely bring much in return, however, because of their perceived lack of production and high price tags. John Lynch also likes both players, and believes that they will be contributors. I agree.

The reality is, I would bet that the Niners sit tight and take Bosa. He is the safest pick for sure. They obviously think highly of him, and with good reason. I just wonder how they are going to deal with the incredible glut of players that will be demanding playing time as the season progresses

 
if they stay put, I hope they don't overthink it.  Go with Bosa if AZ takes Murray or trades the pick and someone else does.

Only 5 more weeks of rumors until we know for sure.  Looking forward to all the deception during that time.

 
Im actually OK if they go with Q Williams at #2, even with the recent history of drafting D Lineman early.

Armstead and Blair combined for 8.5 sacks last year from the edge (Armstead had 3, Blair had 5.5). Put Buckner and Williams in the middle, and Ford on the other end, and rotate Solomon Thomas inside where he should be playing. Sheldon Day and DJ Jones provide depth, and we still dont know what we have in Julian Taylor and Kentavius Street. If just one of them becomes servicable or better, Id consider that a win. If both do, jackpot!

I can see them drafting Williams to give them an extra boost up front against the run since we face Gurley and D Johnson twice a year (as well as a mobile Russell Wilson). It makes some sense given the backfields in the division and the current roster IMO.

Hopefully Verrett pans out and they add/draft a Safety and even another CB (although I think they might stand pat with Witherspoon and Moore for now).

Id rather have Bosa or Allen, but I I wouldnt hate it if they went with Williams.

 
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https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/

Alabama DT Quinnen Williams picked IHOP for dinner with 49ers brass

49ers WR Richie James in Texas working out with Chiefs QB Patrick Mahomes

49ers wide receiver Trent Taylor switches to jersey No. 15

49ers on hand to observe fullback Joe Protheroe at Cal Poly pro day

49ers, Jets and Raiders among Josh Allen's pre-draft visits

John Lynch Explains Why 49ers Didn't Spend Big at Free Safety

 
49ers showing interest in kicker Stephen Gostkowski as team and Robbie Gould appear to be ‘at odds’

https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/124621-49ers-robbie-appear-interest-kicker-stephen-gostkowski-report/

The San Francisco 49ers used the non-exclusive franchise tag on Robbie Gould in March, ensuring the kicker remains with the team on a one-year, $4.971 million deal. Both Gould and the 49ers were hoping for a multi-year deal before the franchise tag came into play, but that never happened.

General manager John Lynch and head coach Kyle Shanahan have both stated that they would love to get a long-term deal done. The hope was to continue working on one until the July 15 deadline when Gould would be forced to play on his one-year deal.

"We're very hopeful," Lynch said in February. "We did put the franchise tag on him but (are) very hopeful that we continue talking and try to come to an agreement to keep him around for a while."

Matt Barrows even posted the following interesting tidbit during a recent fan Q&A for The Athletic.

"No update on Gould, although it would surprise no one if he's not on hand when voluntary sessions start later this month. In fact, it would be a surprise if he does show up."

Now, Matt Maiocco of NBC Sports Bay Area reports that the 49ers are showing interest in veteran free-agent kicker Stephen Gostkowski, who spent his first 13 NFL seasons with the New England Patriots.

"Gould and Gostkowski rank Nos. 2 and 3 all-time in NFL field-goal accuracy at 87.745 and 87.381, respectively, behind Justin Tucker," writes Maiocco. "Gould is 36, while Gostkowski is 35."

Maiocco goes on to state that the 49ers and Gould appear to be "at odds" over the team's decision to use the franchise tag on the kicker rather than working out a multi-year deal or allowing him to hit free agency. Gould's love for his former team, the Chicago Bears, is no secret. He lived out of a hotel last season while his wife and kids remained in their Chicago-area home.

As for Gostkowski, the Patriots made him a fourth-round selection out of Memphis in 2006. He made 27-of-32 field goal attempts (84.4 percent) and 49-of-50 extra point attempts (98 percent) through 16 games with the Patriots in 2018. Gostkowski has made 367-of-420 field goal attempts (87.4 percent) and 642-of-649 extra point attempts (98.9 percent) through his 13 NFL seasons.

 
Annnd New England resigning Gostkowski for 2 years.
lol.  Yeah, I was kind of suspicious of Gostkowski changing coasts and going from the super bowl champs to a "rebuilding team"....................

But hey, it bumped the 49ers thread up.  

 
10 days until draft day and it looks like AZ is really going to take Murray.  

Bosa or a trade down, but the trade down better be huge.  Excited about Bosa, Ford and Buckner rushing the passer, so hope they don't F it up by trading down unless they get 2 first plus some.

Interesting to see some big names starting to drop a bit.  Seeing Greedy Williams go from a top 15 pick into possibly the early 2nd round.  

 
Once again completely #### on by the NFL schedulers. Just an awful lineup.

Week 1: @ Tampa Bay Buccaneers, 1:25 P.M., FOX, Sunday, September 8 
Week 2: @ Cincinnati Bengals, 10:00 A.M., FOX, Sunday, September 15 
Week 3: vs. Pittsburgh Steelers, 1:25 P.M., CBS, Sunday, September 22,
Week 4: Bye week
Week 5: vs. Cleveland Browns 5:15 P.M., ESPN, Monday, October 7 
Week 6: @ Los Angeles Rams, 1:05 P.M., FOX, Sunday, October 13 
Week 7: @ Washington, 10:00 A.M., FOX, Sunday, October 20 
Week 8: vs. Carolina Panthers, 1:05 P.M., FOX, Sunday, October 27
Week 9: @ Arizona Cardinals, 5:20 P.M., FOX, Thursday, October 31 
Week 10: vs. Seattle Seahawks, 5:15 P.M., ESPN, Monday, November 11 
Week 11: vs. Arizona Cardinals, 1:05 P.M., FOX, Sunday, November 17
Week 12: vs. Green Bay Packers, 1:25 P.M., FOX, Sunday, November 24 
Week 13: @ Baltimore Ravens, 10:00 A.M., FOX, Sunday, December 1
Week 14: @ New Orleans Saints 10:00 A.M., FOX, Sunday, December 8 
Week 15: vs. Atlanta Falcons, 1:25 P.M., FOX, Sunday, December 15 
Week 16: vs. Los Angeles Rams, TBD, Saturday OR Sunday, December 21/22 
Week 17: @ Seattle Seahawks, 1:25 P.M., FOX, Sunday, December 29

Week 4 bye after 2 road games to open. 4 10 am games with back to back games at Baltimore and New Orleans late in the year. The East Coast trash never have to deal with this crap. A joke every year. Week 12 on is going to be a tough stretch.

 
Looks like I'm going to two 49er games in the 1st 3 weeks...week 1 here in Tampa, and were making plans to fly to San Fran for the week 3 home opener vs Pittsburgh. The girlfriend is a huge Steeler fan so that one should be fun.

 
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Gould has requested a trade and won't negotiate a new deal.

49ers need to go sign Matt Bryant pronto. Yeah he's 43, but he's still one of the better kickers in the league.

 
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Well, they know he won't sit the season out.  Hard to pass on almost 5 million for kicking a football.

If the Bears were willing to give a 5th or a 6th, then make the move.  Bears don't have a lot of picks this year, but with a playoff team and after losing a playoff game because their kicker missed a game winner, maybe they would.

 
Well, they know he won't sit the season out.  Hard to pass on almost 5 million for kicking a football.

If the Bears were willing to give a 5th or a 6th, then make the move.  Bears don't have a lot of picks this year, but with a playoff team and after losing a playoff game because their kicker missed a game winner, maybe they would.
I can see him sitting out. His net worth is around $25 million, he doesn't need to work, and he really wants to be in Chicago with his family. 

 
Wingnut said:
I can see him sitting out. His net worth is around $25 million, he doesn't need to work, and he really wants to be in Chicago with his family. 
Sorry, don't see it.

Even with 25 million net worth, missing out on 5 million in salary at age 36 would be tough to justify.  Kick a few more seasons and your retirement is all that more secure.

 
Matt Bryant last year:

20 for 21 on FGS (Gould was 33 for 34)

33 for 35 on XPs (Gould was 27 for 29)

7 for 7 on 40-49 yarders (Gould was 9 for 10)

4 for 5 from 50+ yards (Gould was 2 for 2)

Long FG was 57yds (Goilds long was 53) 

So they both missed 3 kicks all year (1 FG and 2 XPs each)

Oh, and Shanny knows Bryant very well. Get on the horn, Lynch!

Sign Bryant and we won't miss Gould. Kicker problem solved for maybe 2 years.

 
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