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*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (3 Viewers)

Kwai Chang Caine said:
How many QBs would you say aren’t “system guys”? Even here on our own team, hasn’t it been established that Foles does better with the RPO offense than Wentz which means in a way they are BOTH somewhat system dependent? I’ll grant you that Wentz is likely more adaptable to more systems due to his athleticism (and maybe he’s smarter too although I don’t think he reads the field as well. Yet.)

We know Foles has been quite successful for his years in Philly under Kelly and Doug. That’s two systems. And he sucked with Fisher who could likely make Marino look bad. That’s one system. So what do we really know?

But I do agree with your statement that Doug gets the best out of him. Isn’t that the case with most successful teams though? You have to have great coaching and support for the player. I think it’s a very small number of QBs—less than 5 probably—that could thrive regardless of circumstances. And no I sure don’t put Wentz in that category. Yet.
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I agree I'm just saying that these QBs who run a system get paid too much and it's the whole Andy Reid fitting a square peg in round hole theory. But when other teams get these guys they don't play them to their strengths. For example Tebow was bad but one of the things Gase did and Fox wasn't willing to do was adjust to Tebow's playing style and what worked. They implemented a lot of the Florida offense into it to fit them for that time. Another example are these Read Option QBs. Well you can't have it as your base like SF and Was did with RG3 and CK. Guys who are Read Option solely for the running agility aren't gonna be great in other systems. Right now this Baltimore offense being run is gonna be a short run. 

 
Insein said:
Disagree. If he gets back to form and keeps winning, no one will care. People are always going to yell when it's going bad. Players know this. He's not Manziel or Leaf. He can take the heat when it's going bad. Was Peyton's psyche broken after starting 3-13? Was Marino broken after seasons with no title? Jim Kelly after losing 4 super bowls? The great ones shrug it off or at least don't let people know that it bothers them.
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I'm not saying that Wentz has a weak psyche.  I'm just saying that it if Foles wins another Super bowl this year, I'd want them to keep him and trade Wentz because he will have a miserable time here.  As much as I love the passion of our fanbase, I have seen how horribly we treat our biggest stars.  Schmidt and McNabb immediately come to mind. And the way some of the fans have already turned against him after playing injured following an MVP-level season is embarrassing. If Foles wins two Super Bowls and they let him walk, a couple bad games by Wentz next year would make him public enemy number one.  There are at least 25 teams who would die for him. And he'd have a much better experience with all of them. Let Foles just take the reigns at that point. The rings would afford him the bad spells. 

 
All I know is the whole team plays better when foles starts

we actually score. Like 10 pts more per game.  Even in the first qtr.  Even when we don't score we at least get a couple first downs.  Wentz went three and out way too many times.  I know it's not all his fault but he shares some blame.

The defense gets turnovers and stops.  They have been beastly since foles took over.

Not as many turnovers.  Wentz seemed to have 1-2 really bad fumbles or ints every game.  Foles has had a couple but it's less .

Let's just focus on this season and discuss foles vs Wentz after.  

We have a game to win

 
Also two players who have recently returned have helped both sides of the ball.  

Jernigan has been really good in limited snaps helping against the run and getting qb pressures.

Sproles. I was not really expecting much from sproles after his injury at the start of the season but he looks good.  

 
need2know said:
Also two players who have recently returned have helped both sides of the ball.  

Jernigan has been really good in limited snaps helping against the run and getting qb pressures.

Sproles. I was not really expecting much from sproles after his injury at the start of the season but he looks good.  
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Sproles blows my mind. St. Nick and his little helper. An amazing duo LOL!

I wouldn’t put it past him to be back next year. I think it may be hard for him to get into the HOF but regardless he’s that caliber of player.

 
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need2know said:
All I know is the whole team plays better when foles starts
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The more I think about this I disagree. Wentz was 11-2 last season. We had the best record in the game and he was the MVP. The team played great under him. When Foles took over for the remainder of last years regular season the team did not look great. We didn’t even look great against Atlanta. 

We also didn’t look great with Nick the first 2 games of this season. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
The more I think about this I disagree. Wentz was 11-2 last season. We had the best record in the game and he was the MVP. The team played great under him. When Foles took over for the remainder of last years regular season the team did not look great. We didn’t even look great against Atlanta. 

We also didn’t look great with Nick the first 2 games of this season. 
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Shhhh.  His healthy season doesn't count.  We must judge him playing while recovering from an ACL/PCL tear and several games with a broken vertebrae.  That's the true Wentz apparently.  

 
JuniorNB said:
Shhhh.  His healthy season doesn't count.  We must judge him playing while recovering from an ACL/PCL tear and several games with a broken vertebrae.  That's the true Wentz apparently.  
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Bigboy10182000 said:
The more I think about this I disagree. Wentz was 11-2 last season. We had the best record in the game and he was the MVP. The team played great under him. When Foles took over for the remainder of last years regular season the team did not look great. We didn’t even look great against Atlanta. 

We also didn’t look great with Nick the first 2 games of this season. 
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You two. For the last time I hope your assement of the situation turns out to be the right one. You’re 100% dug in for Wentz and that’s cool. But I’ve already laid out why Foles had some tough times last year in arctic conditions before you know, winning us the super bowl. And this year Foles is 4-1 and Wentz is 5-6.  And junior I friggen just wrote that I don’t discount Wentz’s 11-2 run. All I’ve pointed  out that it doesn’t seem unreasonable to at least be somewhat concerned about his injuries given his history moving forward. 

Amyway, it’s good to have disagreements. But I’m done now with this topic until after the playoffs. I’d rather focus on the bears and then hopefully the saints and beyond.

 
Kwai Chang Caine said:
You two. For the last time I hope your assement of the situation turns out to be the right one. You’re 100% dug in for Wentz and that’s cool. But I’ve already laid out why Foles had some tough times last year in arctic conditions before you know, winning us the super bowl. And this year Foles is 4-1 and Wentz is 5-6.  And junior I friggen just wrote that I don’t discount Wentz’s 11-2 run. All I’ve pointed  out that it doesn’t seem unreasonable to at least be somewhat concerned about his injuries given his history moving forward. 

Amyway, it’s good to have disagreements. But I’m done now with this topic until after the playoffs. I’d rather focus on the bears and then hopefully the saints and beyond.
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And I've told you before that if you want to make it a debate about injury concerns, then you're on solid ground.  If you think that last year's ACL and this year's broken vertebrae may be a sign that he's going to be injury prone his whole career, then that a certain concern for all Eagles fans. But a healthy Wentz is much better than Foles has ever been. And Wentz is just a baby who was injured and had his improvement halted. He was the best quarterback in football last year. Not a top quarterback. The best the league had.

 
need2know said:
All I know is the whole team plays better when foles starts

Not as many turnovers.  Wentz seemed to have 1-2 really bad fumbles or ints every game.  Foles has had a couple but it's less .
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THIS YEAR:

Foles has had an INT AND a fumble in 4 out of the 5 games he's played.  so, 1.6 per game.

Wentz had 7 INT and 9 fumbles in 11 games.  1.45 per game.

Stats are hard.

 
Of course we had that game against the Colts where we controlled the ball 40 min to the Colts 20. 

We dominated Washington  literally just as much with Wentz as Foles (we have up that 90 yard run which made the score more, TOP was crazy lopsided for both though).

Wentz had a few games (Min, Dallas x2) where he just started off cold, and by the time he made it a game again (which he did), the defense couldn't make a stop to save his life.  Tennessee and Panthers were both lost where if the defense makes ONE stop we win (3 4th downs for Ten?  Including a 4th and 15?). 

The cold start was certainly an issue, but then again, that 27-7 score down against the Bucs wasn't Wentz....  Against Atlanta we scored 3 points the whole first half.

Man, people are in serious revisionists history.

 
babydemon90 said:
Of course we had that game against the Colts where we controlled the ball 40 min to the Colts 20. 

We dominated Washington  literally just as much with Wentz as Foles (we have up that 90 yard run which made the score more, TOP was crazy lopsided for both though).

Wentz had a few games (Min, Dallas x2) where he just started off cold, and by the time he made it a game again (which he did), the defense couldn't make a stop to save his life.  Tennessee and Panthers were both lost where if the defense makes ONE stop we win (3 4th downs for Ten?  Including a 4th and 15?). 

The cold start was certainly an issue, but then again, that 27-7 score down against the Bucs wasn't Wentz....  Against Atlanta we scored 3 points the whole first half.

Man, people are in serious revisionists history.
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Take away one game (New Orleans) and Wentz' numbers were better this season than last.  Not that I think he was the better QB this year.  His mobility definitely suffered, and his lack of work with any receivers led to the bad habit of locking on Wentz too much, but the perception that he took a huge step backwards is just ridiculous.  Even with the disastrous Saints game, he was 70% 21/7.  Many teams would kill for that QB play.  Because of last season's MVP-level play, Wentz sucked.

 
Not following the thread... in regards to the title was this an offer by a local business or just a joke? Because if it were real, that's amazing 

 
Deamon said:
I know he said it was his last year, but he looks like he could still play one more.
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I like Sproles but I think we need to think about if this guy can still last a full season which he hasn't the last 2. This year really screwed us instead of getting a younger back and taking up cap space and a roster spot. Again he's been surprising since coming back but after this year Howie needs to say Thanks Sproles we're moving in a different direction at the position. 

 
babydemon90 said:
THIS YEAR:

Foles has had an INT AND a fumble in 4 out of the 5 games he's played.  so, 1.6 per game.

Wentz had 7 INT and 9 fumbles in 11 games.  1.45 per game.

Stats are hard.
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Foles has also thrown 2 INTs in or near the RZ the last 3 weeks that took points off the board. 

 
Dr. Dan said:
Not following the thread... in regards to the title was this an offer by a local business or just a joke? Because if it were real, that's amazing 
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Joke from the comments where Doug was asked if he called Nagy by a reporter to keep Starters in. Nagy and Pederson have coached together both in Philly with Andy and KC as well so they are fairly good friends. 

 
The real shame of this is that this is the 2nd year we're in the playoffs and Carson still hasn't broken his cherry yet. I doubt we win the super bowl. I'm hoping we win a game and get back to New Orleans to at least say "you didn't break us, we're back." It just sucks that the team is making strides and our QB of the significant future is again missing out. That more than the Foles stuff has got to be eating him up.

 
Good luck Eagles fans. I've really come to appreciate Philly sports and the fans. And the Eagles and Saints seemed like the best true matchup last year, until that little slip up at the end. I think the Eagles can beat the Bears and I probably am more concerned about them than any other team in the wild card round right now.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Good luck Eagles fans. I've really come to appreciate Philly sports and the fans. And the Eagles and Saints seemed like the best true matchup last year, until that little slip up at the end. I think the Eagles can beat the Bears and I probably am more concerned about them than any other team in the wild card round right now.
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See you in a week for the rematch.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I’ll be in game threads. Sometime. Never once posted on their thread but will definitely laugh at fans who live closer to me than Dallas. 
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Yea but come on man. It's a game thread. I don't mind having the Eagle fans are idiots mantra for harassing dumb Viking fans at the Champ game or Cowboy fans when they come to town. When we're sitting there though trying to knock down Cowboy fans while they're winning a playoff game, it makes us look insecure.

 
Insein said:
Yea but come on man. It's a game thread. I don't mind having the Eagle fans are idiots mantra for harassing dumb Viking fans at the Champ game or Cowboy fans when they come to town. When we're sitting there though trying to knock down Cowboy fans while they're winning a playoff game, it makes us look insecure.
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I won’t take any fan serious who’s never been to their city, ever. I’m totally secure. When we won’t I celebrated with thousands of Eagles fans and never had to go a few blocks from my house. I’ve been to Dallas and hung out with actual Dallas fans. They’re nothing like these east coast fakers who talk ####. 

Thats just me maybe but I won’t take them seriously or their “passion”. They can go celebrate with their wives and internet friends. 

I said they’d win. Said they’ll even beat the Rams. I’m an actual football fan. I don’t have the biased they pretend to care about. It’s hard for them to understand cause they have no idea how an actual Dallas fan acts. They’re acting like they think they’re supposed too. It’s a joke, just sit back and enjoy lol. 

 
Insein said:
It's kind of embarrassing watching Eagle fans in Dallas threads. Come on guys seriously?
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Great posting....Foles has some special mojo but you guys have great players everywhere...it will be tough but not impossible...if I had to lay a bet I’d put in on the eagles...

my problem is yea, we could all go into the skins threads and tell them how bad they are....not going to do it...I hate our owner and coach...don’t need to be reminded...they don’t either....or us...we can’t do anything about it....

if the cowboys can’t go any further I can’t think of any story that would be better than Foles leading the eagles back to the bowl...

good luck tomorrow...and weeks ahead...

 
If I could make a live bet on that I would do 50. I’d have to travel a ways to make the bet. It’s worth it. If I was an eagles fan I’d drop 50 on the chance...it’s a game...ball bounces funny and anyone can beat anyone one time...a lot of winners on that team and not any other....

 
C'mon Eagles. Cowboys want to go to LA not NO.  Plus I have you in a teaser, how can you not cover 12.5 points?

Go Eagles!!! 

 
dallas428 said:
If I could make a live bet on that I would do 50. I’d have to travel a ways to make the bet. It’s worth it. If I was an eagles fan I’d drop 50 on the chance...it’s a game...ball bounces funny and anyone can beat anyone one time...a lot of winners on that team and not any other....
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Travel?  Bitcoin and sportsbook.ag down?

 
Doink!

Seriously nice win. Ugly as hell, but nice. Your coach and Foles are responsible for the win. I admire the mental toughness shown.

Good luck in NO hopefully we see you in 2 weeks. 

 
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tjnc09 said:
Chicago -6 makes me believe books are inviting the squares to take Chicago.  Who doesn't believe the Eagles struggled to make the playoffs, lost Wentz and Chicago's "defense is amazing"?  If Chicago was going to truly dominate, they would make them -7.5 and invite sharps to get that key number 7.
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poor squares

 
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